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<bofh>
today in no context bofh quotes:
<bofh>
00:40 <bofh> (I swear I only act like an overly excited teenage girl most of the time >_<)
<UmbralRaptop>
I assume that this was Paris-related this time?
<bofh>
UmbralRaptop: surprisingly, yes.
<bofh>
(the context being that Parisians are fairly grumpy, and me noting that just about anyone will come off as grumpy when compared to me,)
<UmbralRaptop>
Frequentist statistics: "we assumed $well_known_distribution and calculated x parameters and a p-value of y on our data."
<UmbralRaptop>
Bayesian statistics: "we performed computational dæmonology with the help of a supercomputer, and got an information factor of z. Also we found a bunch of (hyper)parameters that you've never heard of before."
<UmbralRaptop>
There, now it's phrased for the gist.
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<iximeow>
UmbralRaptop: do you happen to know if anyone uses celestron mounts for anything approximately serious?
<iximeow>
i've finally made decent progress on emulating the handset and will Eventually cobble some unholy construction together w/ imaging and feeding into astrometry.net for entirely self-contained alignment and such. wondering if there are n > 1 people who might be interested in such a thing
<UmbralRaptop>
iximeow: maybe. I'd want to double check how ASAS-SN, KELT, and WASP work.
<UmbralRaptop>
Uh, at the fancy amateur level, something about AAVSO?
<oeuf>
meow
<iximeow>
ooh interesting
<UmbralRaptop>
Lots of surprisingly small telescopes
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<iximeow>
funny how everyone seems to use 400mm f2.8 nikon lenses
<UmbralRaptop>
I assume that there's a good reason.
<iximeow>
oh absolutely, they are good
<UmbralRaptop>
Dragonfly uses Canons
<iximeow>
i was about to say, i misremembered. thought it was also nikon
<iximeow>
but also 400mm! :D
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<UmbralRaptop>
My skimming is that the mounts are way fancier than a Celestron one sized for a typical 20 cm cat, but I could be wrong.
<oeuf>
UmbralRaptop: s/smal/smo/
<Qboid>
oeuf thinks UmbralRaptop meant to say: Lots of surprisingly smol telescopes
<UmbralRaptop>
I mean, yes.
<UmbralRaptop>
TRAPPIST is a whopping 60 cm.
<UmbralRaptop>
MINERVA telescopes are Planewave CDK-700 (700 mm)
<B787_300>
iximeow: but compared to the cost of the mount and scope and pier and building the ~$400 for SkyX Pro is downright cheap
<iximeow>
for sure
<oeuf>
UmbralRaptop: yes
<B787_300>
and you dont have to worry about your code breaking if you try to do it yourself
<oeuf>
UmbralRaptop: which one of those is "pave aitken basin with reflectors",
<iximeow>
i never write breakable code,
* iximeow
is terrified of cord wrap claiming a cable or worse
<B787_300>
iximeow: there are settings for that in the SkyX... and elevation maskings... and if you are using a Paramount you can run the cables internally
<iximeow>
yeah. celestron's controller is intelligent about it too. just if i'm rewriting the controller...
<B787_300>
so on one of our setups we had all the cables internal except the camera data cables (1 from spotting, 1 from main) and the spotting camera's power which we could have run internal but didnt want to fight with it
<B787_300>
all other cables were into the mount and couldnt wrap
<UmbralRaptop>
And x-ray VLBI is still something to run away from.
* B787_300
wanders out to bed
<B787_300>
also as i have been looking at buying a house i have been looking farther out in the country so i can have land for rocketry stuff and possibly personal telescope stuff
<iximeow>
mood
<B787_300>
iximeow: >
<B787_300>
s/>/?
<Qboid>
B787_300 meant to say: iximeow: ?
<iximeow>
ah i've just been thinking similarly. but being in the middle of nowhere runs counter to, like, most jobs that pay for things
<B787_300>
iximeow: i am already in the middle of know where can live ~45 mins from work and be in Bortle Class 4, with a sky brightness of ~20.5 vm/sqas
<B787_300>
s/know where/nowhere
<Qboid>
B787_300 meant to say: iximeow: i am already in the middle of nowhere can live ~45 mins from work and be in Bortle Class 4, with a sky brightness of ~20.5 vm/sqas
<kmath>
<stephentyrone> @JamesWidman Show us on the doll where the functions hurt you.
<bofh>
I have somehow managed to spend literally all day in Gare de Lyon, again.
<bofh>
CC payment fails, payment at the desk crashes the payment frontend, twice, finally get a ticket, then the train is delayed an hour, then while the delay is being sorted it turns out my spot was actually booked over an existing one and the train is full so I'm now rebooked onto the train in an hour.
<egg|work|egg>
𝐴𝐀𝔸ア𝕬𒀀𐌀अ阿𐠀
<egg|work|egg>
SNCF: c'est possible
<egg|work|egg>
(yes that was their slogan at some point)
<egg|work|egg>
(yes of course it lends itself to that)
<bofh>
I mean with that slogan and me travelling,
<bofh>
EN RETARD 50 MIN ARE YOU SERIOUS
<egg|work|egg>
...
<egg|work|egg>
what is going on on the Paris Zurich line exactly
<bofh>
I have *no* idea.
<bofh>
okay, now we're at en retard 1h
<UmbralRaptop>
This is a strange curse.
<bofh>
this is going to end with me becoming a *really* peeved goast haunting Gare de Lyon, isn't it?
<bofh>
can't even haunt a good place like the Fontaine des Chartreux or even le manège de parc louise-michel
<bofh>
it has to be this fucking train station
<bofh>
EN RETARD 1h15m REALLY
<SnoopJeDi>
prochain arrêt F*#$&!(*---CORE DUMPED
<UmbralRaptop>
Hypothetically, this suggests that ORD is deeply haunted?
<egg|work|egg>
!wpn bofh
* Qboid
gives bofh a Sumerian VAX-like AbstractSingletonProxyFactoryBean
<UmbralRaptop>
Apparently Twitter just emailed me to suggest downloading the app.
<egg|work|egg>
....
<egg|work|egg>
bofh: so do you have a train or a platform or something
<egg|work|egg>
16:26 + 1 h 15 min puts us at 17:41
<UmbralRaptop>
Reasons include "Twitter at full speed" and "Get every feature Twitter offers" 🤔
<UmbralRaptop>
egg|work|egg: the targeting is fine (I mean, I use Twidere on my phone), but the reasons…
<bofh>
/
<bofh>
egg|work|egg: I AM ON A TRAIN. IT IS BOUND FOR ZÜRICH.
<bofh>
IT ONLY TOOK LIKE, THE ENTIRE BLOODY DAY SOMEHOW.
<egg|cell|egg>
Yay
<UmbralRaptop>
🎉
<bofh>
(train# is 9219)
<SnoopJeDi>
oh I thought you were at the gare
<bofh>
I was
<SnoopJeDi>
ohhh
<bofh>
now I am finally on the bloody train
<bofh>
(I am in car 16, seat 13)
<egg|work|egg>
!u /
<Qboid>
U+007F ()
<Qboid>
U+002F SOLIDUS (/)
<Qboid>
U+007F ()
<Qboid>
U+007F ()
<egg|work|egg>
bofh: you type strange things
<egg|work|egg>
bofh: so I guess I'll have dinner and pick you up when I'm done
<bofh>
egg|work|egg: this is what happens when mosh is lagged to hell and back, it apparently likes to insert 0x7F everywhere
<kmath>
<lincolnparkzoo> THIS IS A TEST of the Cute North American River Otter Alert System. No action is needed. #PresidentialAlert #otter https://t.co/97KI3hNPGj
* egg|work|egg
stares at the SNCF app
<egg|work|egg>
so bofh should be underway
<egg|work|egg>
and thus internetless
<egg|work|egg>
and yup, 1 h 15 min late
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<kmath>
<bofh453> Adopting "unbeschränkte Verspätung" as my travel motto from now on,
* oeuf
meows at whitequark
<bofh>
better?
<oeuf>
yes, better
<oeuf>
now the only thing I find nitpickable is ASCII quotation marks, those are always bad,
<bofh>
I don't agree.
<oeuf>
also the proper character for apostrophe is right single quotation mark, not apostrophe
<bofh>
I prefer them to the U+201[89] ones, personally.
<bofh>
Wait, actually?
<oeuf>
yes
<oeuf>
<bofh> I prefer them to the U+201[89] ones, personally. << here's the thing, that's a glyph preference
<oeuf>
you may prefer them to look symmetrical, but semantically you still want the 2018 2019
<oeuf>
there's a section saying that depending on style the glyphs for 2018 and 2019 may be exchanged from one font to the other, but still one is the opening and the other the closing
<oeuf>
obviously this is clearer when you have german with the fancier quotes that are below in one place, and the french ones that are anglebrackety etc.
<bofh>
Yeah, the French anglebracket ones are weird as heck but I'm slowly becoming used to them.
<oeuf>
bofh: when properly typesetting/encoding, '" are basically just for programming languages :-p
<oeuf>
!wpn bofh, whitequark, et al.
* Qboid
gives bofh, whitequark, et al. a halogenated orb with a Boris pusher attachment
<whitequark>
#brexit
<bofh>
oeuf: I mean yes, but I treat spoken languages as programming languages,
<oeuf>
whitequark: hah
<oeuf>
bofh: no they are different flavours of madness
<oeuf>
!pet whitequark котенькою
* Qboid
pets whitequark котенькою
<bofh>
oeuf: I mean I am well aware.
<oeuf>
whitequark: any new котенькаpics?
<whitequark>
nope
<whitequark>
not yet
<oeuf>
!pet котеньку котенькою
* Qboid
pets котеньку котенькою
<whitequark>
lol
<whitequark>
yeah she does that
<oeuf>
self-petting cat (cc bofh)
<bofh>
I mean I feel like that's a very common occurence for cats.
<B787_300>
UmbralRaptop: so what does your monday look like?
<bofh>
oeuf: slightly horrifying thought, is every Thursday of mine for the next 2 months going to be spent trying to catch an outbound train from Gare de Lyon?
<oeuf>
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
<UmbralRaptop>
B787_300: will need to confirm, but should be open due to the holiday.
<B787_300>
bofh: how long did you have to wait
<oeuf>
bofh: hopefully there will be muscovite train stations too,
<UmbralRaptop>
oeuf: o_O
* B787_300
feels like he is missing something
<UmbralRaptop>
Wait, did I enter an alternate universe where the Soviets occupied Paris during WW3?
<bofh>
B787_300: so uh today I got there at like 09h00AM and finally got on an outbound train at uh 17h41
<B787_300>
what is so good or bad about moscow-esque trainstations
<bofh>
last time I got there with dx around 11h00AM(iirc?) and got on an outbound train around 17h00
<B787_300>
bofh: can you not reserve a ticket for an earlier train?
<bofh>
B787_300: so like, about 2/3rds of that was spent attempting to obtain a ticket
<B787_300>
oO
<B787_300>
it isnt online
<bofh>
so like I have yet to have SNCF accept my CC# in any capacity.
<B787_300>
SNCF?
<Qboid>
B787_300: [SNCF] => Société Nationale des Chemins de fer Français
<B787_300>
CC#?
<bofh>
credit card#
<B787_300>
and and i dont thin SNCF is the correct expansion in this context
<bofh>
no, it very much is.
<bofh>
correct, that is.
<B787_300>
ah i was thinking Chemins was Chemists
<oeuf>
it's paths
<B787_300>
i dont speak french
<oeuf>
the national society of the french paths of iron,
<oeuf>
(national railway company)
<oeuf>
!meow bofh
* Qboid
meows at bofh
<B787_300>
i dont speak any language other than English... although i can translate a bit of latin
<bofh>
oeuf: so Zürich trams are apparently 600VDC, as opposed to Paris trams *and* RATP metro which both use 750VDC.