egg|nomz|egg changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> egg|nomz|egg: generally if your eyes are dewing over, that's not the weather. | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
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<kmath> <litpatches_txt> Harlan Ellison's I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream but with new quests including Corrupt a Priest, Perform a Sacri… https://t.co/v7yjgfC6W6
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<egg|cell|egg> 喵 bofh
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<egg> bofh^28: making an offering of 0.01 EUR to the gods of shitty eleggtronics,
<egg> welp, still bootloops
<egg> hmm, refreezing after coin insertion gets mee to the boot animation at least
<egg> (and counting)
<egg> aaaargh , unlocked the screen and then it went back
<egg> STABBITY
<egg> YES
<egg> got 2 auth codes
<egg> bofh^28: otoh lɒl there's a blueish stain on the screen, presumably from the coin pressure
<egg> !wpn whitequark
* Qboid gives whitequark a coupled python/cherry hybrid
<bofh^28> egg: so apparently the gods of shitty eleggtronics have accepted your offering,
<egg> bofh^28: my offering of cold hard cash
<egg> bofh^28: it had to be cold though
<egg> tepid cash is not acceptable
<egg> bofh^28: also meow, draft, chat, etc.,
<egg> bofh^28: also re. screening, realized something
<egg> bofh^28: as a function of r, the force is F r^-k where F depends only on λ and φ
<egg> bofh^28: but since the force doesn't only depend on r, you do need to integrate back the screened force to get something that does derive from a potential
<bofh^28> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
<egg> bofh^28: i.e. there are ℜs in the force as well as 𝛁ℜs
<egg> to use the notation from the principia documentation and uh also the identifiers,
<egg> bofh^28: so that means that if the sigmoid polynomial is a cubic of r, the ℜ factor will contain logs, which is annoying
<egg> (at least for smol k)
<egg> bofh^28: instead, we can make it a cubic in the square root of ℜ, which contains terms in r^n with integer n only for n = 1
<egg> bofh^28: which is fine, because the terms that we are trying to screen are in r^k for k > 2
<egg> and r / r^3 = 1 / r^2 which doesn't spawn obnoxious logs
<egg> bofh^28: \o/
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* egg|work|egg meows at bofh^28
<bofh^28> 09:23:37 <@egg> bofh^28: instead, we can make it a cubic in the square root of ℜ, which contains terms in r^n with integer n only for n = 1 09:24:13 <@egg> bofh^28: which is fine, because the terms that we are trying to screen are in r^k for k > 2 09:24:45 <@egg>
<bofh^28> and r / r^3 = 1 / r^2 which doesn't spawn ...
<bofh^28> ... obnoxious logs 09:24:49 <@egg> bofh^28: \o/
<bofh^28> okay this is *much* better
<egg|work|egg> bofh^28: it does cost an additional sqrt
<egg|work|egg> but that's better than a log
<egg|work|egg> even a shitty one
<bofh^28> Yeah.
* egg|work|egg meows at bofh^28
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<kmath> <BirdingBeijing> Incredible footage of one of the world's most poorly known felids - CHINESE MOUNTAIN CAT - from Qinghai Province.… https://t.co/qEYKklwmvM
<egg|work|egg> 荒漠貓!!!
<UmbralRaptop> cat
<egg|work|egg> !wpn whitequark
* Qboid gives whitequark an Ebers-Moll inexplicable popup that didn't used to be there and doesn't do what it used to
<egg|work|egg> !pet whitequark
* Qboid pets whitequark
<whitequark> !mew egg
<egg|work|egg> whitequark: saying egg makes my phone purr,
<UmbralRaptop> !pet egg's phone
* Qboid pets egg's phone
<egg|cell|egg> !wpn котеньке
* Qboid gives котеньке an antebellum
* egg|work|egg stares at Qboid
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<egg|work|egg> bofh^28: Double-double, toil and trouble; / difference cancel, and rounding dissemble
<egg|work|egg> s/diff/Diff
<Qboid> egg|work|egg meant to say: bofh^28: Double-double, toil and trouble; / Difference cancel, and rounding dissemble
<egg|work|egg> bofh^28: clearly we should write a numerics version of that entire scene
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<UmbralRaptop> stabbity?
<SnoopJeDi> stabbity.
<egg|work|egg> UmbralRaptop: stabbity?
<egg|work|egg> !meow UmbralRaptop
* Qboid meows at UmbralRaptop
<egg|work|egg> !meow bofh^28
* Qboid meows at bofh^28
<egg|work|egg> !meow whitequark
* Qboid meows at whitequark
<UmbralRaptop> egg|work|egg: the Scottish play involves stabbing
<UmbralRaptop> Okay, so does the Italian play
<SnoopJeDi> I'd forgotten about "the Scottish play" hah
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* UmbralRaptop 🔪 things
<UmbralRaptop> Apparently LaTeX has problems if you give it a 19 foot high table.
<egg> bofh^28: where are the associated legendre functions maximal on [-1, 1]?
<egg> bofh^28: alternatively what are their maxima
<egg> (in absolute value)
<kmath> <NGC3314> Both Hubble and Chandra in extended safe modes. We should anticipate ⏎ (a) galactic supernova ⏎ (b) alien fleet ⏎ (c) com… https://t.co/H89dVPYkpF
<awang> egg: What happened to your phone?
<egg> awang: nexus 5x bootloop
<egg> so now i have a note 9
<awang> egg: Ouch :(
<egg> bofh^28: hmm
<egg> bofh^28: but I want the *associated* ones
<awang> UmbralRaptop: Why do you have a 19 foot table?
<egg> bofh^28: and I want the maximum for fixed (n,m), not the maximum over (n,m) for fixed z
<egg> bofh^28: hmmm "Bernstein (1937) proved (A1) with sharp constant C=2/π−−−√; his proof is presented in Orthogonal Polynomials by Szegő, section 7.3.
<egg> "
<egg> but that's the polynomials, not the associated ones
<UmbralRaptop> awang: well, I hijacked the WIYN, and so got 365 nights / year on it for my RV survey…
<awang> WIYN?
<Qboid> awang: [WIYN] => Wisconsin Indiana Yale NOAO
<awang> NOAO?
<Qboid> awang: [NOAO] => National Optical Astronomy Observatory
<awang> Yay for nested acronyms
<awang> RV?
<UmbralRaptop> !acr -add:RV Radial Velocity
<Qboid> UmbralRaptop: I added the explanation for this acronym.
<egg> !wpn whitequark
* Qboid gives whitequark a pure hexaflexagon
<awang> whitequark: How much Rust have you written recently?
<UmbralRaptop> ie: a 3.5 m telescope on Kitt Peak where a really nice spectrograph is being installed.
<whitequark> awang: a bunch
<whitequark> what about it
<awang> UmbralRaptop: So in other words you have a *ton* of data and need a table for it?
* awang thinks that quite a bit flew over their head
<awang> whitequark: Have you used OpenCV in Rust recently?
<awang> Found your post on /r/rust about rust-facedetect, but that was quite a while ago
<awang> Wondering if things have improved/degraded since then
<UmbralRaptop> awang: yeah. In principle, this means something like 10k spectra.
<whitequark> opencv nope
<awang> Considering using Rust for a R&D app instead of C++, and I think that app is going to end up needed to do quite a bit of data/image processing
<awang> whitequark: what have you been working on in Rust?
<whitequark> awang: firmware
<awang> UmbralRaptop: How does spectral data go into tables? I'm most familiar with it as graphs
* egg meows at whitequark
<UmbralRaptop> awang: uh, not directly. I'm simulating RV surveys to see if they're a good way to pick up planets for WFIRST / HabEx direct imaging. The table is the observation date, RV value, and precision. But with > 1800 nights, and the longest measurement taking <40 minutes…
* egg meows at UmbralRaptop
* UmbralRaptop sets egg on my laptop (It's warm from running MCMC analysis)
<egg> !u M
<Qboid> U+004D LATIN CAPITAL LETTER M (M)
<egg> UmbralRaptop: surely you mean мcmc,
* UmbralRaptop needs to fix my phone to more easily output Cyrillic (… and Japanese)
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<awang> whitequark: Ah, I see. How have you found that experience?
<awang> UmbralRaptop: Oh. Yeah, I can see how that can end up with large tables...
<awang> How many rows do you end up with?
<whitequark> awang: it's very nice
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<bofh^28> egg: so the polynomials are just the associated polynomials with m=0
<egg|cell|egg> Yes I know
<egg|cell|egg> But what about other ms
<egg|cell|egg> Bofh: also double-double toil and trouble
<egg|cell|egg> Bofh: probably the arc de triomphe place de l'étoile https://mobile.twitter.com/bofh453/status/1050830851242627074
<kmath> https://twitter.com/bofh453/status/1050830851242627074 <bofh453> Huh I wonder what random knockoff landmarks the jubeat bootsplash scr-- ⏎ ⏎ wait a second. zoom. enhance. ⏎ ⏎ THAT'S THE… https://t.co/0jVPEjZ5QT
<egg|cell|egg> The rectangles hardly make sense otherwise
<UmbralRaptop> awang: up to ~2250
<UmbralRaptop> egg|cell|egg: rectangles are "buy one, get one free" triangles.
<bofh^28> egg|cell|egg: OH right that makes more sense
<bofh^28> I keep forgetting how different the one at Place de l'Étoile looks in some ways when compared to the one in the Louvre-Tuleries courtyard.
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<egg> bofh^28: in particular it doesn't have anything at the top
<bofh^28> Yeah. Like I initially thought it *wasn't* the Arc de Triomphe *because* it didn't have anything at the top
<bofh^28> but I've been to Place de l'Étoile like once and the Louvre a shitton of times.
<egg> (of that section, not of the article)
<awang> whitequark: Do you use other languages with Rust, or is it just pure Rust?
<whitequark> a Python dialect of my design
<egg> !pet whitequark
* Qboid pets whitequark
<egg> !pet whitequark's snek
* Qboid pets whitequark's snek
<SnoopJeDi> that's the one you mentioned on twitter a few days ago?
<whitequark> i don't recall
<whitequark> what tweet?
<SnoopJeDi> hmm, something about people asking you about it I think
<kmath> <whitequark> someone asked me to publish my pure Python Itanium ABI demangler (apparently the only one that doesn't require a na… https://t.co/23vHRBxhAK
<SnoopJeDi> parent tweet is lolsob spot-on
<egg> meow
<SnoopJeDi> !pet egg
* Qboid pets egg
<egg> 25112225121
<egg> rqou: how does this kind of input method work for non-simplified grass radicals
* SnoopJeDi 🔪 using several different representations of the Frenet-Serret frame in an accelerator context *except* the unambiguous (x, y, s)
<bofh^28> egg: yeah, that now makes sense.
* SnoopJeDi 🔪 lying about those coordinates in the user manual
<bofh^28> note to self: swing by Place de l'Étoile again tomorrow
* egg pokes bofh^28 in the bofhsec
<egg> bofh^28: the latest bofhsec is 35 h and counting
<egg> bofh^28: one french work week,
<SnoopJeDi> what are these bofhsecs?
<egg> SnoopJeDi: the time between bofh^28 claiming that something will occur in a sec and the thing occurring
<egg> one of the bofhsecs is 5 months and counting,
<SnoopJeDi> mkay, that was my guess
<SnoopJeDi> !c 1-(1 second/5 months)**2
<Qboid> (1,6): error CS1525: Unexpected symbol `second'
<SnoopJeDi> !wa 1-(1 second/5 months)**2
<Qboid> SnoopJeDi: 1 - ((1 second)/(5 months))^2: 1
<SnoopJeDi> idontknowwhatiexpected.gif
<SnoopJeDi> !wa (1 second/5 months)
<Qboid> SnoopJeDi: (1 second)/(5 months): 7.61×10^-8
<SnoopJeDi> that's a lot of nines.
<egg> SnoopJeDi: wait why the square
<SnoopJeDi> egg, I was going for β
<SnoopJeDi> although the possibility that I screwed up is alarmingly high...?
<egg> β?
<egg> !seen rqou
<SnoopJeDi> (v/c)**2
<Qboid> egg: I haven't seen the user rqou yet.
<egg> SnoopJeDi: ah
<SnoopJeDi> ostensibly to set up a joke about bofh^28 being hyperkinetic or somesuch, I didn't really have a well-formed gamepaln
<SnoopJeDi> speaking of hyperkinetic, I think I need my Vyvanse dialed down, I've been tapping my teeth >_>
<egg> SnoopJeDi: yeah, we could compute bofh^28's speed
<SnoopJeDi> that's what I did if you take c=1 :P
<egg> yup
<SnoopJeDi> the software I'm still wrestling with does everything in units of either β or βγ
<egg> !wa ((1 second)/(5 months))^2
<Qboid> egg: ((1 second)/(5 months))^2: 5.792×10^-15
<SnoopJeDi> unfortunately usually the latter :(
<egg> SnoopJeDi: (1 - 5e-15) c
<egg> that's a lot of c
<SnoopJeDi> !wa Lorentz beta of OMG particle
<Qboid> SnoopJeDi: Lorentz unit×β particles: β 1 particle 46.68645 A (amperes) 1 s^2 (second squared) 1 per meter (reciprocal meter) 1/kg (reciprocal kilogram)
<SnoopJeDi> o.O
<egg> 3.2e11
<SnoopJeDi> that's γ but yea
<egg> 0.9999999999999999999999951 c
<egg> !wa 1 - 0.9999999999999999999999951
<Qboid> egg: 1 - 0.999999999999999999999995: 4.9 × 10^-24
<egg> that's faster than bofh^28
<SnoopJeDi> yea I figured it would be but was idly curious
<SnoopJeDi> bofh^28 is, after all, more massive than a proton!
<awang> whitequark: jeez, is there anything you don't do? You're pretty much all over the place in when I see you talking about things here
<awang> whitequark: Also, how does your Python dialect differ from standdard Python?
<awang> whitequark: And what program(s) were used in the screenshots for your demangler?
<SnoopJeDi> it seems like some sort of invariant that compiler people are eclectic
<SnoopJeDi> and #kspacademia is a strange attractor besides
<whitequark> awang: it's hard realtime
<whitequark> no heap, region based memory management
<SnoopJeDi> !
<egg> !pet whitequark
* Qboid pets whitequark
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<egg> !wpn bofh^28
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<awang> whitequark: Sounds interesting to me that Python would fit that well
<awang> Was it difficult to make that change?
<whitequark> awang: well, kinda
<whitequark> it's basically ML but with Python syntax and classes
<bofh^28> !wpn egg
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<awang> whitequark: I'd imagine it's fully compiled, given it's hard realtime, right? Does it compile to some already existing language, or do you compile it directly to machine code?
<egg> bofh^28: meow
<egg> bofh^28: floating-quokka arithmetic
<bofh^28> wait, why is the quokka floating?
<UmbralRaptop> We filled it with helium. Next question?
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<egg> !wpn bofh^28
* Qboid gives bofh^28 an executable ctenophore/demisemiculverin hybrid
* egg pokes bofh^28 in the bofhsec
<egg> bofh^28: UmbralRaptop: aside from "double-double toil and trouble", "Thrice the brinded cat hath mew'd" seems appropriate for this channel.
<egg> bofh^28: UmbralRaptop: is this channel actually full of witches
<bofh^28> Ahh
<bofh^28> And yes, there should be plenty witches here,
<UmbralRaptop> egg: I think so?
<egg> bofh^28: also what is your rest mass, and are you above the GКЗ limit,
<UmbralRaptop> GZK limit?
<egg> ah yes GЗК
<UmbralRaptop> aaaaa
<egg> UmbralRaptop: well, with that time dilation,
<UmbralRaptop> egg: I thought it was a transliteration joke?
<egg> UmbralRaptop: no, just that given that the bofhsec is > 5 months, bofh^28 is fast
<egg> UmbralRaptop: unless bofh^28 is eggstremely light, bofh^28 might be above the GЗК limit!
<UmbralRaptop> ;c 28*29.5*86400
<kmath> UmbralRaptop: 71366400
<egg> !meow bofh^28
* Qboid meows at bofh^28
<egg> !wpn bofh^28
* Qboid gives bofh^28 an oceanic computer
<bofh^28> Am I above the GЗК limit? Pretty sure not yet,
<egg> bofh^28: wait what
<egg> bofh^28: your time dilation is absurdly high
<egg> what's your rest mass then
* egg stares at ##whitequark
* egg stares at associated legendre functions instead
<bofh^28> egg: okay but if I'm above the GЗК limit due to this level of time dilation, what's SNCF's relativistic mass,
<egg> bofh^28: I don't think it has trains that take 5 months when they are supposed to take 1 s :-p
<bofh^28> okay, touché
<bofh^28> :p
<whitequark> lol egg
<bofh^28> I mean staring at associated Legendre functions is imho always a good idea,