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<bofh^28> SnoopJeDi: I mean gcc 3.x should still be mostly fine if you're not compiling C++
<SnoopJeDi> I am, but even then, these devs are insane
<SnoopJeDi> I got frustrated with the linking against the older version I've been using, ended up converting a test simulation over to a newer (but not most recent) version, and snagged on a parallelism flaw
<SnoopJeDi> if you load RF field data, *every* MPI process tries to read all of the data :|
<SnoopJeDi> such that if you launch with NNODES > # of files, you will probably gridlock
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<SnoopJeDi> ooh, I was wrong, it's not a problem with the file per-se, just a stupid assumption about dividing the work up on the file (which...seems kinda pointless for loading data?)
<SnoopJeDi> I guess it's not implausible that people would read GBs worth of field data, though.
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<egg|work|egg> !meow bofh^28
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<egg|work|egg> !wpn whitequark, bofh^28, et al.
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<egg|work|egg> bofh^28: how is the commutative algebra
<bofh^28> egg|work|egg: holy shit I think I *might* have a potential research project. so many details need to be worked out (incl. timing, neither of us have spare time really), but I somehow managed to impress jcf with random ideas I had (some years old), some of which he wants to look into himself as of very recently. o_O
<bofh^28> meeting again in 2 days, this one was short.
<bofh^28> also greatly amused that vigipirate here is starting to recognize me and wave me thru basically as soon as they notice it's me
<bofh^28> (I wear a fairly distinctive hat everywhere, so I kinda do stick out)
<egg|work|egg> bofh^28: ... wait, you wear the VLC hat?
<bofh^28> egg|work|egg: no, just the pink straw hat with a VLC sticker on it
<egg|work|egg> bofh^28: ah, ok, that's a bit saner
<egg|work|egg> bofh^28: you should get a more wintery hat though
<egg|work|egg> (also a prettier one :-p)
<bofh^28> (I mean that's on the shopping list for Friday at the top of the list, lol).
<bofh^28> (got any recs? :P)
<egg|work|egg> bofh^28: not really tbh
<egg|work|egg> bofh^28: do you have a list of things you are considering?
<bofh^28> Hrm. Not yet, let me look at hat styles and the like.
<bofh^28> (like I kinda had put everything that wasn't thesis or comm. alg stuff on hold for past few days, oops)
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<bofh^28> !u ð µ?ð ' →
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<kmath> <SuperASASSN> Not our picture, we received it via @JosePrietoK "posted in Facebook"; as someone who actually grew coffee in Ohio,… https://t.co/MFQb0QvPq2
<bofh^28> swear to fucking $DEITY, lately part of my day is "open twitter, look at the latest horror happening in the USA, continue seeing if I can just, like, stay put here instead."
<bofh^28> for starters, I actually meaningfully approximate a functional human being here.
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<UmbralRaptop> What would that involve, anyway? Student visa+postdoc at a French university?
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<Technicalfool> a triplet of eggs o.o
<Technicalfool> quadruplet even!
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<bofh^28> UmbralRaptop: wouldn't even need a student visa, just a postdoc fellowship.
<BPlayer> bofh^28: Re: "I actually meaningfully approximate a functional human being here." Where?
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<SnoopJeDi> I believe he's still in France, BPlayer
<bofh^28> ^
<bofh^28> Paris, specifically.
<SnoopJeDi> bofh^28, egg|work|egg suppose I was given the task of producing illuminations for some Gutenberg press-printed pages. Any ideas what would be fun to include in the margins? The only thing that's occurred to me so far is some sort of fractal and a Penrose tiling
<SnoopJeDi> (Renn Fest was fun)
<bofh^28> hm. my initial thought ineggsplicably was a drawing of Renard the Fox, not sure why.
<SnoopJeDi> I will probably chuck some Jacquard loom stuff on there, because the weaving area was fun and I got to gush to my friends about them
<bofh^28> yes those things are *great*
<SnoopJeDi> not that they had any, but the lady who talked to us about their looms turned out to be a retired computer tech
<SnoopJeDi> which was the perfect bow on top of my earlier "ohmygosh looms are so cool because they're basically computers"
<SnoopJeDi> bofh^28, in my post-faire reading surge I found a video of some project in India that's digitizing the cards using computer vision!
<bofh^28> also holy SHIT that's clever
<SnoopJeDi> and very needed!
<SnoopJeDi> the danger of cultural loss is so terrifying
<bofh^28> I think I've seen 3 different punchcards now
<SnoopJeDi> particularly with something as beautiful as eastern patterns
<SnoopJeDi> bofh^28, oh that's a really cool way to do a Foucault pendulum
<bofh^28> yes, that's Foucault's original pendulum :p
<SnoopJeDi> oh lmao
<SnoopJeDi> it's raised?
<SnoopJeDi> oh yes and I recall the cyclotron pics you'd sent :)
<bofh^28> don't recall if it always was raised, but at some point yes, it was that way.
<bofh^28> yeah.
<bofh^28> added more on my second trip (incl. a selfie with the Jacquard loom)
<SnoopJeDi> aaaAAAAAAAAA
<SnoopJeDi> you should send those to Janelle :P
<bofh^28> also yes I've been to Arts et Métiers twice now and prolly debating a third trip sometime soon, lol.
<bofh^28> Janelle?
<SnoopJeDi> Janelle Shane
<SnoopJeDi> the lady wot does all the AI stuff on twitter
<SnoopJeDi> including SkyKnit
<bofh^28> ooh
<SnoopJeDi> that project cemented her in my mind as "one of those people in the intersection of fabrics and computers"
<SnoopJeDi> despite it not really being a huuuge focus for her
<bofh^28> so first I want to head back to La Manufacture des Gobelins and take some tapestry pics there
<SnoopJeDi> vs. the lady who knitted the D3 quicksort drawing into a scarf :D
<SnoopJeDi> the d3 visualization thereof, that is
<bofh^28> since they have, like, punchcards and the corresponding tapestries they generate as one of the exhibits.
<kmath> <kosamari> Yey quick sort scarf is done! I always wanted to mix 2 of my favorites - datavis & knit! Image generated by d3.js 💕 http://t.co/YR1ggkDHKu
<bofh^28> also recommend following @LiaSae if you're into textiles stuff at all
<SnoopJeDi> bofh^28, so I'd never thought about how Jacquard cards are digitized
<SnoopJeDi> and one of the videos I stumbled into had this REALLY FASCINATING mechanized machine for it
<SnoopJeDi> pedal-operated advance, fingers operating an input a bit like a flute
<SnoopJeDi> one advance punches holes according to operator input, advances the card, and rolls a drum (IIRC) that advances the "window" onto a drawn gridded pattern
<SnoopJeDi> eat your heart out, Sketchpad!
<kmath> <LiaSae> SO. ⏎ The Jacquard loom, as I’ve discussed before, wasn’t invented in a vacuum. It brought together three other models, kinda.
<bofh^28> and YES that's how they do it.
<SnoopJeDi> it's so cool!
<SnoopJeDi> I was bummed how little info I could find about it
<SnoopJeDi> (also thanks for the follow rec)
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<kmath> <nadiamdrake> "NASA’s original planet hunter, the Kepler space telescope, has run out of fuel. This is not unexpected, and this m… https://t.co/8kMT95WfWo
<bofh^28> UmbralRaptop: F\
<UmbralRaptop> … Why does Bennu look like a less cratered Ryugu? https://twitter.com/DSLauretta/status/1057349491567652864
<kmath> <DSLauretta> Bennu first look! - Bennu is in our sights and the asteroid surface features are starting to come into focus! The t… https://t.co/TMFX51Y1BJ
<SnoopJeDi> there but for the grace of the space-waffle detector goes a good robot ô>
<UmbralRaptop> space-waffle?
<SnoopJeDi> I like to call the detector pattern a waffle :P
<UmbralRaptop> ah
<UmbralRaptop> me: why am I so jittery?
<UmbralRaptop> also me: has probably gotten a nontrivial portion of today's calories from [black] coffee.
<BPlayer> Calories? From coffee?
<SnoopJeDi> yup, about 5 cal per cup
<SnoopJeDi> UmbralRaptop, please eat ;_; (also, I find Quest Bars and Clif Bars are awesome "stash in your desk" food)
<BPlayer> Gotta keep a small supply of sweets near your workplace
<BPlayer> You won't regret it next time you can't focus
<SnoopJeDi> "next time"
<SnoopJeDi> ha ha ha
<BPlayer> Alright, that's the other possibility
<kmath> <EricMamajek> Of the 3826 known exoplanets, 70% were discovered by @NASAKepler #Kepler either during its prime mission (2326) or… https://t.co/ukd77rhGyq
<SnoopJeDi> I should probably update https://snoopjedi.github.io/exoplanet_viewer/ in honor of the day :v
<egg|zz|egg> that's a very large octocat
<SnoopJeDi> we wanted to win a plush ;_;
<SnoopJeDi> and playing with SVG from JS was a fun diversion in the "I don't want to work on this anymore" part of the night
<kmath> <✔SungrazerComets> And all these years we've modeled minor bodies as spheres because using cubes would be too unrealistic... ⏎ https://t.co/pzla3IEfu6
<SnoopJeDi> reminds of me of that rectangular iceberg
<SnoopJeDi> (which is *insane*)
<UmbralRaptop> Obviously we're running the simulation out of compute
<SnoopJeDi> floating point precision error strikes again
<egg> ping!
<SnoopJeDi> :)
<egg> !meow whitequark
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<SnoopJeDi> 1) wow there are MEMS clocks? 2) wow that's a substantial leak 3) wow
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<SnoopJeDi> I'm still reeling from "MEMS clocks" O_O
<SnoopJeDi> it makes total sense, but I had no idea
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<SnoopJeDi> egg, reminds me of the site planning that happens with eggcelerators, which can be exquisitely sensitive, particularly for hadrons.
<SnoopJeDi> the talk that exposed me to the topic made mention of tidal effects on ground position, IIRC
<egg> eggcelerators << but, that's not a valid eggpun >_<
<SnoopJeDi> it's a slant-rhyme of sorts
<egg> eggscruciating
<SnoopJeDi> definitely a forced one
<SnoopJeDi> not up to the eggsacting standards of #kspacademia
<egg> we have higher eggspectations when it comes to eggpuns
<SnoopJeDi> I'd better shape up or I'll be eggscommunicated
<egg> meanwhile argh https://twitter.com/eevee/status/1057077395432255488 (also, argh Euler)
<kmath> <eevee> game devs PLEASE stop doing this, these are not compatible quantities, you /have to multiply by time/ https://t.co/pE9LFE0f12
* egg meows at iximeow
* egg ixies at iximeow
* egg meows at whitequark and котеньке
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<SnoopJeDi> nice to see Principia get the shoutout it deserves
<UmbralRaptop> egg: aaaaaaaaa
<UmbralRaptop> egg, whitequark: consider a cat named "kotlin"?
<SnoopJeDi> I'm so glad eevee is back on twitter
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<egg> UmbralRaptop: why
<SnoopJeDi> UmbralRaptop, coffee colored?
<UmbralRaptop> Continuing names starting with k.
<UmbralRaptop> But yes, coffee colored also works
<SnoopJeDi> org.коте.喵喵.😻
<UmbralRaptop> egg: is that a valid URL? ^
<SnoopJeDi> apparently Java namespaces have pretty good Unicode support
<SnoopJeDi> (*caveat: I do not Java)
<SnoopJeDi> emoji might well be off-limits though
<egg> SnoopJeDi: okay but why would a namespace name be in the dative
<SnoopJeDi> they probably wouldn't
<B787_300> UmbralRaptop: wooooooo Hawaii Supreme Court has approved TMT
<kmath> <✔StarAdvertiser> Hawaii Supreme Court rules in favor of #TMT #MaunaKea https://t.co/eCt8bby4lU https://t.co/0ua6S1u4i7
<B787_300> but kepler is dead
<UmbralRaptop> B787_300: Yay for TMT at least
<BPlayer> TBH, I am not sure if that is a good idea
<B787_300> BPlayer: that the TMT on Mauna Kea?
<BPlayer> More or less disrupting a culture in the name of scientific progress
<B787_300> BPlayer: it is a tiny portion of land
<BPlayer> Sure, but it will need infrastructure, roads, electricity
<B787_300> BPlayer: most of that is already up there
<BPlayer> It doesn't sound right. I'd be in favour of a different location, even if it would not be that well suited for observatories
<B787_300> plenty of other scopes already up there https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Q5Mz23pV/image.png
<BPlayer> It feels as a sign of disrespect, and using other cases where it happened similarly is a weak argument
<B787_300> BPlayer: i mean i would be okay with them having to move it if it was on a grave site or something physical. but the native hawaiians are saying all of the mountain is sacred
<B787_300> and there is no other good site for it
<B787_300> Chile already is getting the ELT and it makes no sense for another super large scope to be there
<B787_300> there is no site nearly as good on CONUS
<BPlayer> Hypothetical situation: Imagine someone building an observatory in the middle of the Grand Canyon (not discussing whether that makes sense, just the situation in the sense of what happens to the landscape and the symbolic value of it)
<B787_300> BPlayer: i would be fine with that because the Canyon is HUGE
<BPlayer> *shrug*
<BPlayer> Can't comment any further on that, then
<B787_300> BPlayer: a hypothetical i am not cool with is if they were forced to build in Yellowstone over Old Faithful
<SnoopJeDi> it's a tiny portion of land, but Hawai'i isn't very large to begin with...
<SnoopJeDi> and the indigenous population isn't exactly unfamiliar with outsiders coming in and dictating what's what :(
<BPlayer> OTOH, I am the kind of person that would strongly oppose terraforming planets, and rather promote exploration that changes as few things as possible
<SnoopJeDi> our local astro rockstar summed it up pretty well: "which exploration do you want to miss out on? cultural exploration here at the expense of exploring out-there, or vice versa?"
<BPlayer> ^
<SnoopJeDi> which came off pretty anti-TMT to me in the moment, since TMT isn't the *only* way to explore the stars, but...it's compliated :/
<BPlayer> It's a tradeoff in this case
<SnoopJeDi> infuriatingly, one of our less...aware...students piped up with "can't they just compromise?!"
<SnoopJeDi> my dude.
<BPlayer> There is only one Earth we live on. There will be conflicts over this and that
<B787_300> SnoopJeDi: like I said i would be against it if it was on a grave site but them refusing to give up a bit more of a mountain is annoying as hell to me after TMT offered to build on the footprint of one of the scopes already there
<SnoopJeDi> I don't have any particularly strong opinion one way or the other, on account of not being an astronomer or Hawaiian.
<SnoopJeDi> but it's hard not to sympathize with people who have had land basically stolen from them
<BPlayer> That is pretty much my stance
<SnoopJeDi> fsvo "stolen" because property is a very thorny concept
<SnoopJeDi> but like, I know *exactly* how I feel about Dole, for example.
<BPlayer> Stolen, because they were there for as long as the concept of property exists
<BPlayer> Property as a concept makes much more sense if you look at it on a larger scale. Hawaii is the property of Hawaiians, rather than parts of Hawaii being the property of individuals
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<egg> bofh^28: double double
<egg> bofh^28: cats
<bofh^28> egg: meow
<bofh^28> just got back like a few seconds ago, heh.
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<egg> bofh^28: meow
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<bofh^28> egg: meow. actually should be able to work on double-double right now. attention too shot for games tonight. like I said, the 1st onwards I should be actually able to play things.
<bofh^28> I *did* find some ArianeSpace launch videos from 1996 (on Trans*Colour*Video SÉCAM, *snicker*) that are currently being digitized, tho.
<egg> bofh^28: arianespace doesn't really work if you Camel it
<bofh^28> wait, why doesn't it?
<egg> well the nice thing is that naturally reading arianespace as written yields [aʁjanɛspas] in fr, as in "ariane espace"
<egg> and it also works in en by reading it as "ariane space"
<egg> bofh^28: so they always write it as a single word (with a single font), contrast with ArianeGroup or arianegroup but with group in a different font, where here there's no pun to make
<bofh^28> ahhhhhhhhhhhh.
<bofh^28> I see, so it's actually a pun.
<bofh^28> TIL.
<bofh^28> also nice.
<egg> bofh^28: yeah, and it's a pun by elision of the final mute e in ariane, rather than the initial one in espace (which cannot be elided)
<egg> arian'espace if you will
<egg> so camels break that
* UmbralRaptop is confused by the rockets. Is that a Minotaur to the left of the Vega, and why does whatever is to the right of the Ariane 5 have an ISRO vibe?
<egg> do not put camels in the rocket
<egg> UmbralRaptop: that's a Союз
<egg> UmbralRaptop: oh to the *right*
<bofh^28> egg: AHHHHHHHHHHH
<egg> UmbralRaptop: that's an Ariane 6
<bofh^28> I see now.
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<egg> UmbralRaptop: and to the left you have Vega and Vega C
<UmbralRaptop> ah
<egg> Vega, Vega C, Союз, Ariane 5, Ariane 6
<egg> UmbralRaptop: if you want a real ISRO vibe you want Ariane 4 though
<egg> Vikas, or, I can't believe it's not a Viking
<UmbralRaptop> Heh
<egg> UmbralRaptop: but yeah, it's an Ariane 6
<egg> UmbralRaptop: see also the arrangement of the flags on the rocket
<bofh^28> rofl
<UmbralRaptop> But did the Ariane 4 have a configuration with LFBs around an SRM core?
<egg> no, it was liquid core, and a choice of liquid and solid (or a mix) for the boosters, if any
<UmbralRaptop> egg: interesting flag setup
<egg> (they were supplemental propellers rather than acceleration stages, not the same kind of "booster")
<egg> the EAPs are stages, in that the Ariane 5 isn't going to space without them
<egg> the PALs/PAPs were not, they were optional
<egg> PAL?
<Qboid> egg: [PAL] => Propulseur d'Appoint à Liquides
<egg> PAP?
<Qboid> egg: [PAP] => Propulseur d'Appoint à Poudre
<egg> EAP?
<Qboid> egg: [EAP] => Étage d'Accélération à Poudre
<egg> UmbralRaptop: the boosters on the Ariane 6 are Vega C first stages iirc
<UmbralRaptop> Like a Союз or Titan IV?
<UmbralRaptop> (mandatory "boosters")
<egg> yeah, the Ariane 5 is like that
<egg> so it's a powder-based acceleration stage, rather than a powder- or liquid-based booster
<egg> <bofh^28> egg: meow. actually should be able to work on double-double right now. attention too shot for games tonight. like I said, the 1st onwards I should be actually able to play things. << but cats
<kmath> <bofh453> <@eggleroy> do not put camels in the rocket, ⏎ ⏎ #nocontext
<UmbralRaptop> nice
<egg> !wpn bofh^28
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<bofh^28> !wpn egg
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