egg|nomz|egg changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> egg|nomz|egg: generally if your eyes are dewing over, that's not the weather. | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
<egg> bofh: yeah, but that affects fewer source languages
<egg> bofh: but yeah, good luck translating Hungarian to English
<egg> (just how many cases does Hungarian have anyway)
<bofh> I've tried in the distant past, it's... ""fun""
<bofh> so that's kinda misleading
<bofh> it's like 17 iirc, but really only 4 of them are typical cases and the remainder are more like postpositions that have become cases.
<egg> "Nouns have a large number of cases (between 18 and 35, depending on the definition)" welp
<egg> bofh: okay but do e.g. adjectives agree with those
<egg> because that's where it starts affecting translatability, where something obviously refers to some other thing by case/gender/number agreement and that information gets lost
<egg> "an attributive adjective is invariable" okay that makes things easier
<egg> meow
<bofh> yeah that right there massively simplifies hungarian grammar
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<egg> meow
<egg|phone|egg> 喵
<bofh> meow
<bofh> I really need to figure out what Sumerian for 'meow' is...
<kmath> <0xabad1dea> 🎃 L̶̟͝e̛͖͇̳̮͖̳ţ̖̠̻͕̤͘ ̙̜̰͉̼t̫͕͍̯̥͔̩ͅh̨̺͕̳̻͕͕͔e̩̼̻ ̧̻̥͜r̛̰͚̜̰͝i̞̺͎̤̫t̞͉̟̼̝̝͎̖ų̶̧͈͚͔͓͈̯̞̜a͚͕͈̻͕̮͢͟l͏͕͎̞ ͇̼͕̤̩̼B͍͚͢… https://t.co/6Zg77LRmQ5
<egg> !u L̶̟͝
<Qboid> U+004C LATIN CAPITAL LETTER L (L)
<Qboid> U+0336 COMBINING LONG STROKE OVERLAY (◌̶)
<Qboid> U+031F COMBINING PLUS SIGN BELOW (◌̟)
<Qboid> U+035D COMBINING DOUBLE BREVE (◌͝)
<egg> !u ų̶̧͈͚͔͓͈̯̞̜
<Qboid> egg: Too many characters! (Maximum: 10)
<egg> hah
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<UmbralRaptor> Anyway, since it's Halloween, have a scary game. https://mkremins.itch.io/epitaph
<UmbralRaptor> (found via Andi)
<UmbralRaptor> Okay, you can treat it as a slow and elegiac game, but look behind the curtain and it becomes fairly fast paced horror.
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<kmath> <ThaumPenguin> 18. Eldritch knowledge https://t.co/2fhHYQM8Vc
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<kmath> <ThaumPenguin> 61. -UN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE… https://t.co/uH7XvfWiz1
<UmbralRaptor> * Will someday kill everything without noticing
<UmbralRaptor> * Regularly undergoes processes impossible for modern science to replicate
<UmbralRaptor> (PP chain)
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<egg> kmath: s/UN THE( S)?/☉/g
<Qboid> egg thinks kmath meant to say: <ThaumPenguin> 61. -☉☉☉☉☉☉☉☉☉☉☉☉☉☉… https://t.co/uH7XvfWiz1
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<egg|work|egg> whitequark: huh, the bicycle thing is called "derailleur" in english? https://twitter.com/whitequark/status/1046670771614027776
<kmath> <whitequark> the only thing better than air traffic control memes is magnetic storage media memes https://t.co/IS7FYbZhhh
<whitequark> yep
<egg|work|egg> something something en is a dialect of fr
<egg|work|egg> I would have eggspected the spelling to get anglicized a bit though, maybe derailer
<egg|work|egg> ... lol, derailer is a word too
<egg|work|egg> welp I guess it's like gender/genre/genus, steal the same word multiple times in various forms :-p
<UmbralRaptor> <whitequark> Ꙩ → Ꙫ → Ꙭ → … → ꙮ
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<bofh> so I *may* have gotten roped into bringing up a SEM tomorrow.
<bofh> thankfully, it has not lost vacuum
<bofh> so this may actually be possible.
<egg|work|egg> bofh: meanwhile in eggstremely useful things, https://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/11450
<bofh> egg|work|egg: rofl, I wonder where that might actually *ever* be useful,
<egg|work|egg> bofh: dunno but Mark likes the idea so have a ticket :-p
<bofh> I mean sure, why not,
<egg|work|egg> pretty much
<egg|work|egg> bofh: I mean, I'd argue that it's more readable, but plural rules are not something you read every day
<bofh> I'd argue that it's not more readable, mostly b/c != renders more visibly on small screens at tiny fonts than ≠, but yeah.
<egg|work|egg> bofh: however, I will note that http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/latest/supplemental/language_plural_rules.html#ru does make use of the '…' syntax rather than '...' for examples, which means that perhaps we would get ≠ in the right-hand-side column
<egg|work|egg> which *would* be nicer
<bofh> I mean in that case, sure,
<egg|work|egg> bofh: that's probaly where I read plural rules most often tbh
<egg|work|egg> bofh: also, of all language specifications, this is the one that I would most expect to support this :-p
<bofh> OKAY THAT *IS* A VERY GOOD POINT
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<UmbralRaptop> egg: you ha questions about the Союз hole? https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1046751681936019457
<kmath> <jeff_foust> Roscosmos’ Loskutov says no update on Soyuz hole investigation. More info after 15th of November; no delay to upcom… https://t.co/eRVNSxq555
<egg|work|egg> huh
<UmbralRaptop> *had
<egg|work|egg> !u ꙨꙪꙬꙮ
<Qboid> U+A668 CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER MONOCULAR O (Ꙩ)
<Qboid> U+A66A CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER BINOCULAR O (Ꙫ)
<Qboid> U+A66C CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER DOUBLE MONOCULAR O (Ꙭ)
<Qboid> U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O (ꙮ)
<bofh> direct link to the TASS story: http://tass.com/science/1021545
<bofh> "According to those sources, the person has been identified and apparently explained that the hole was drilled by accident and not with malicious intent. A fabric seal was placed over the hole to hide the mistake, and it lasted a couple of months before eventually breaking open in space."
<bofh> this is like, the most Роскосмос thing
<UmbralRaptop> Unfortunately
<egg|work|egg> !u ⋮
<Qboid> U+22EE VERTICAL ELLIPSIS (⋮)
<bofh> I assume for vertical writing?
<egg|work|egg> bofh: no, for matrices
<egg|work|egg> !u ︙
<Qboid> U+FE19 PRESENTATION FORM FOR VERTICAL HORIZONTAL ELLIPSIS (︙)
<egg|work|egg> bofh: you're thinking of the above
<bofh> wait, why in the hell would you need a vertical ellipsis for *matrices*? I mean that *is* in the mathematical symbols block, but WTF?
<bofh> OHH right *facepalm*
<bofh> I need more coffee >_>
<egg|work|egg> !wpn bofh
* Qboid gives bofh an axial float which vaguely resembles an abstraction
<egg|work|egg> !wpn whitequark
* Qboid gives whitequark a Cassegrain union
* UmbralRaptop ☕ bofh
* UmbralRaptop pokes Virginia with a thermometer.
<UmbralRaptop> Lore of people here wearing jackets and hoodies the moment it goes below 75 ℉.
<UmbralRaptop> *Lots
<egg|phone|egg> !wa 75 °F in °C
<Qboid> egg|phone|egg: convert 75 °F (degrees Fahrenheit) to degrees Celsius: 23.89 °C (degrees Celsius)
<bofh> UmbralRaptop: I mean I've gotten odd looks around Paris for wandering around in a tshirt in the mornings when literally everyone else is wearing some form of coat
<bofh> it's, like, 15degC which isn't even remotely cold
<bofh> (for extra hilarity, wearing my equations shirt & VLC hat. that got more than a couple double-takes in Lyon)
<UmbralRaptop> 15 C is weird. You need a jacket when sitting still, but not when moving.
<bofh> UmbralRaptop: YEP
<bofh> it's kind of annoying really
<kmath> <bofh453> @dangpzanco @FioraAeterna We call those "quals" ⏎ ⏎ I'M NOT EVEN JOKING IS THE WORST PART.
<UmbralRaptop> bofh: aααaaaaaaαa
<UmbralRaptop> …Are you going to translate Jackson into Akkadian?
<UmbralRaptop> (OTOT the occult diagrams are in Griffiths)
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<bofh> UmbralRaptop: maybe >_> <_<
<UmbralRaptop> The Griffiths diagrams in Akkadian would be amusing in an office.
* UmbralRaptop ponders
<bofh> OKAY THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE NOW
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<awang> !wa 15 deg Celsius in deg Fahrenheit
<Qboid> awang: convert 15 °C (degrees Celsius) to degrees Fahrenheit: 59 °F (degrees Fahrenheit)
<awang> That seems quite pleasant
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<bofh> awang: it is if you're walking, not so much if you're sitting staring at a paper and it's windy
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<kmath> <✔ACLU> 🌈⚖🌈 Happy LGBTQ History Month from all of us at the ACLU. ⏎ ⏎ Today and every day, we honor the contributions LGBTQ p… https://t.co/RWsed6PldL
<kmath> <rikoushonotana> 好評発売中『妹がグレブナー基底に興味を持ち始めたのだが。 2 』グレブナー基底大好きbot(シルフ・インスティテュート) ⏎ グレブナー基底で嘘を見抜く「グレブナー基底と学友」の他、複素数の世界を旅する書き下ろし「環奈・イン・ワンダー… https://t.co/QgQUT6XSH3
<UmbralRaptop> Gröbner basis?
<bofh> Yep.
<egg> bofh: wat
<bofh> egg: it's a (shoujo?) light novel about Gröbner bases
<bofh> I mean, duh,
<bofh> :p
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<egg> Ꙩ_ꙩ
<egg> !wpn bofh -
* Qboid gives bofh - a Sharp array
<egg> s/ -//
<Qboid> egg meant to say: !wpn bofh
<UmbralRaptop> !wpn egg
* Qboid gives egg a brushless arthropleura
<UmbralRaptop> Giant millipede powered by DC motors
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<bofh> !wpn egg
* Qboid gives egg a chocolate package
<egg> european space foods
<bofh> damnit now you're making me want more but I think the place is closed at this hour,
<UmbralRaptop> Is Russia part of Europe?
<APlayer> Part of Russia is (geographically) part of Europe
<APlayer> As for politically, culturally or in any other sense - do not ask me. :P
<egg> UmbralRaptop: re. food, when Jean-Loup Chrétien went on a Союз he brought his own food :-p
<UmbralRaptop> Hrm
<UmbralRaptop> hah
<egg> bofh: um
<egg> bofh: so I have that C++ compile-time constant which is the EOP C04 table
<egg> bofh: and my IDE shows the value of constants when I hover
<egg> bofh: I think I froze the IDE
<egg> hm, no, it sort of responds
<egg> to closing at least
<bofh> egg: ROFL
<bofh> uhhh
<bofh> Yeah, I know, that file horrifies me in many ways.
<egg> bofh: which ones specifically,
<egg> also, Mark just liked this tweet, highly appropriate https://twitter.com/whitequark/status/1046732752144531456
<kmath> <whitequark> you: how does ovum segmentation work ⏎ me: Ꙩ → Ꙫ → Ꙭ → … → ꙮ → …
<bofh> egg: I mean, it's accurate,
<kmath> <KeplerGO> Meanwhile, the science continues. In fact, 2018 is already the most productive year on record with 500 Kepler-based… https://t.co/QZ5YrGksLx
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<kmath> <incunabula> ... These are my instructions. Pay attention to guards on them. The pomegranates must not be touched. IF YOU TOUCH… https://t.co/iM5w9HlMX0
<UmbralRaptop> Yay, pomegranates
* UmbralRaptop 🔪 windows
<UmbralRaptop> Upon logging in, my Win10 box opened Edge to a website on fall recipes, and tried to start the process of importing settings/bookmarks from Firefox.
<UmbralRaptop> Note: this computer did not have a net connection, so the website failed to load.
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<kmath> <bofh453> "so, like, not sure what this ice cream flavour is, 'Cassata', like my French is bad but I've literally never even… https://t.co/7BqXxA62K1
<UmbralRaptop> bofh: Is a VLC cone a witch hat?
<UmbralRaptop> also, o_O
<egg> bofh: Ꙩ_ꙩ
<bofh> egg: apparently Cassata is actually, like, Sicilian sponge cake with ricotta
<bofh> but it seriously tastes like fucking American mass-market christmas fruitcake
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<egg> bofh: where do you buy your ice cream
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<bofh> egg: like a store I walked by, uhh iirc it was called Picard
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<egg> bofh: so, much like every chocolate is not Ducasse, not every ice cream is decent :-p
<egg> bofh: Picard is a sort of supermarket chain but for frozen stuff only https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picard_Surgel%C3%A9s
<bofh> yeah that was definetly it
<bofh> I recall being very weirded out by the fact that it looked like a Carrefour City frozen foods section, but as the entire store.
<egg> bofh: more detailed article https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picard_Surgel%C3%A9s
<egg> yes, that's essentially Picard
<egg> what if supermarket, but frozen
<bofh> also like this icecream was purchased b/c it was cheap, and it uneggspectedly turned out to also be tasty, if at first eggstremely jarring.
<egg> bofh: have you tried that ice cream place we walked by when we were in the 7e
<bofh> uhh... I have a hazy memory of it, that was when we were walking back from food at that one tasty place on the Wednesday along the road near the Champs de Mars (Av. Bosquet?))
<bofh> s/))/)/
<bofh> also what *was* that place we went to again on the Wednesday (i.e. when FR won the semifinal)? I'm trying to recall the dessert I had there (I'll instantly recognise it by name on their menu but can't remember what it was called)
<bofh> it was easily one of the best things I've had here
<bofh> (I mean it contained raspberries and iirc heavy cream, if those are your starting ingredients it's not hard to appeal to me. Particularly the raspberries bit).
<egg> it was L'Affriolé (but menus are seasonal)
<egg> bofh: the ice cream place was Martine Lambert, rue Cler
<bofh> egg: it was the Pavlova, and I was misremembering somehow, it had strawberries not raspberries
<bofh> also RIGHT
<bofh> WAIT A SECOND I WALKED BY THAT PLACE WITH FRIEND VOID LAST WEEK
<bofh> OOPS
<bofh> I thought it looked vaguely familiar
<egg> clearly go back with friend void and have ice cream,
<bofh> I mean sounds like a plan,
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