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<SilverFoxy>
So I'm building the cheapest PC that can VR, and so far it comes to 590$ before taxes, High points in spending are the processor, ram, and GPU
<SilverFoxy>
and this is with a really skimpy GPU of the 1050, although I am curious about the GT1030's VR performance, wanna see how shit it is
<SilverFoxy>
by switching from a ryzen processor to a pentium g4400 and a refurbished intel board, I've cut the price down to 500$ before taxes
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<r4m0n>
mind you that a minimum-spec VR box will give you unusably crappy VR output, and the 1050 is a joke (a 1030 doesn't qualify at all)
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<SilverFox>
minimum spec is minimum playable, I've seen 1050ti VR stuff and it's not that bad, obviously 1060 is best perf here for dollar, but 1050ti is definitely doable, especially if you overclock it
<SilverFox>
but look at how expensive a 1060 is, like, 500$? no thanks
<SilverFox>
Im glad I got mine when it was 400$
<SilverFox>
with taxes
<Orum>
why'd they go up in price so much?
<Orum>
mining?
<SilverFox>
yeah
<SilverFox>
and ram shortages
<Orum>
pretty sure most people doing the mining don't even consider the electric cost
<SilverFox>
well... I'd say they do
<SilverFox>
it's an integral part of the profitability calculations
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<Orum>
well the big places with boatloads of FPGAs do, I doubt most home crackers even know how much their system draws
<ve2dmn>
considering the big operations wanted 100 megawatts in some case, I bet they care about electricity cost
<ve2dmn>
(because prices are low around QC: https://i.cbc.ca/1.4457506.1513735331!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_1180/hydro-prices.jpg?imwidth=720 )
<SilverFox>
yeah QC has cheap af hydro
<SilverFox>
makes mining really good
<SilverFox>
and electric cars
<ve2dmn>
Iceland is cheaper
<SilverFox>
how cheap is iceland?
<ve2dmn>
I think it's lower then 5c/kwh
<ve2dmn>
for any amount of power
<ve2dmn>
The average in QC is 5.14, but you pay lower for the first 30kwh of the month and higher after that
<SilverFox>
yeah the average here is much higher
<SilverFox>
does QC do the peak,off-peak hours thing?
<ve2dmn>
nope
<ve2dmn>
The meters are not made to do that
<ve2dmn>
They simply take a measure on one day, take a second measure 60 days laters and do a daily estimate based on the difference
<ve2dmn>
The big difference with Hydro is that the reaction time to an increase in demand is around 10-15min, while a conventional, steam-powered generators takes hours to get at peak efficiency
<ve2dmn>
So the #1 thing Hydro-Quebec is concerned with is the amount of water behind the dam
<Orum>
Yeah I'm sure the big miners look for places with cheap power
<SilverFox>
I've contemplated living in Quebec for it's cheaper hydro
<Orum>
I've contemplated living in DPRK because their dear leader is more sane than ours
<SilverFox>
jesus christ
<SilverFox>
an anti-trump nut, mmboy
<Orum>
it's very depressing having to read the things he writes on twitter
<SilverFox>
so guess what
<SilverFox>
fucking don't
<Orum>
a complete void of logic
<SilverFox>
why is this so hard
<Orum>
I don't read twitter, but I read news, and they quote his twitter posts
<SilverFox>
so don't read the news
<Orum>
:|
<Orum>
then I'd know about as much as Trump
<SilverFox>
jesus christ
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<SilverFox>
so swapping the 1050 for a 1050ti which can be overclocked nicely, price goes to 555$
<Orum>
isn't the 1050 clocked higher?
<SilverFox>
has 2GB of vram and less cores
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<SilverFox>
so even if it was clocked higher it's made irrelevant by the pure lack of horsepower
<Orum>
right, so overall slower, but I think it was actually clocked at a higher freq
<Orum>
what did you want it for, VR?
<SilverFox>
yeah
<SilverFox>
seeing what the cheapest VR pc would be at the moment
<SilverFox>
with at least 8GB of RAM, don't think I could get away with only 4GB
<Orum>
what headset? I have a 1050ti but I suspect it wouldn't be great for VR
<SilverFox>
1050ti meets oculus rift's specs
<SilverFox>
and I think microsoft MR needs less horseys as well
<SilverFox>
MR headsets might actually be driveable with a 1050
<SilverFox>
but 1050ti is still a good card
<SilverFox>
1060 as I said is still the obvious best, but we're going budget here
<Orum>
~wa resolution of oculus rift
<FoxBot9000>
Query was not understood; no results available.
<Orum>
:|
<SilverFox>
uhhhhhh
<SilverFox>
1200 * 1920 iirc
<Orum>
2160x1200
<Orum>
90 Hz
<SilverFox>
yeah
<Orum>
that's a biiiig stretch for a 1050Ti
<SilverFox>
not really
<Orum>
maybe on lowest settings
<SilverFox>
have you seen any playtesting with the 1050ti?
<Orum>
I have one but I don't have an OR
<Orum>
I mean, it games fine at 1080p 60Hz
<SilverFox>
I think even the 10603G can be decent for VR on medium settings
<SilverFox>
I'll have to look that up, and see if an overclocked 1050ti can beat out a 10603G
<Orum>
well that probably depends on your silicon lottery
<SilverFox>
I'm aware
<SilverFox>
but there's a bellcurve to it
<SilverFox>
I'm not looking for the fringe superclockers, I'm looking for the average possible overclock
<Orum>
I'd suggest only going by factory overclock standards then
<SilverFox>
so far it seems like an overclock can put it in the space about 25% between a stock 1050ti and a 10603GB
<SilverFox>
so 25%ish above 1050ti stock
<SilverFox>
orum, oculus has this special technology called AWR or some shit, and it allows the stuff to be ran at effectively 45fps, but through some magic the user gets 90fps out of it
<SilverFox>
dunno much about it just that it allows oculus to run smoothly on lower end hardware, which is why they dropped the minimum spec from 1060 to 1050ti
<Orum>
well
<Orum>
it probably only truly renders every-other frame
<Orum>
then interpolates between them
<SilverFox>
dunno
<Orum>
which means you get high latency, which is really harmful for VR
<Orum>
maybe I'm wrong though
<SilverFox>
probably, otherwise they wouldn't do it
<Orum>
ASW?
<SilverFox>
yes
<SilverFox>
had an A at the front, and a W in it, so yeah
<Orum>
oh I see, it doesn't even do that, it's just some GMC
<SilverFox>
GMC?
<Orum>
global motion compensation
<SilverFox>
ahh
<Orum>
but instead of interpolation it's extrapolation
<SilverFox>
like I said, dunno how it works, but it allows it to run on lower end hardware
<Orum>
yeah, the core framerate is still haved but it reacts to your movement at ~90 Hz
<SilverFox>
so basically you just need a good CPU to compensate right?
<Orum>
note sure where the compensation is performed
<Orum>
not*
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<Orum>
could be on the GPU
<Orum>
"Windows 8 or later is required for ASW, but the latest version of Windows 10 provides the best support."
<Orum>
D:
<Orum>
I'm betting this is some DX12 shit
<SilverFox>
does your card not support DX12??
<Orum>
card does, OS doesn't
<Orum>
I would probably buy a Vive anyway
<SilverFox>
do you run win7?
<Orum>
mhmm
<SilverFox>
win8 isn't that bad
<SilverFox>
I still run it on my laptop
<SilverFox>
run win10 on my desktop
<Orum>
well I don't want to run a platform newer than the oldest I develop for, and I still want to support Win7
<SilverFox>
ahhh
<Orum>
I'd love to see some comparisons between async reprojection and ASW, but it doesn't seem anyone has done them
<SilverFox>
well, dunno if you can do an apples to apples comparison without running async reprojection on the rift
<Orum>
pretty sure it doesn't support that
<SilverFox>
indeed
<Orum>
well, maybe it does under another name
<SilverFox>
it has its own tech for the system, but does not do the thing vive does
<Orum>
still I'm curious about two low-end systems for vive vs OR
<Orum>
even if it's an imperfect comparison
<SilverFox>
well vive requires minimum 1060, so there's a difference there
<Orum>
weill compare it to a OR with a 1060
<SilverFox>
running the same games? you just want something like an fps comparison or something?
<SilverFox>
frametime comparison, to be more accurate
<Orum>
not just FPS, video comparison
<Orum>
because FPS doesn't tell the whole story
<SilverFox>
frametime says a lot about the GPU
<SilverFox>
rift requires an i3 6100 whereas the vive requires the 4590 or greater
<Orum>
those numbers mean nothing to me...
<SilverFox>
you have a dualcore for or vs quad-core for the vive
<Orum>
no it was more that "minimum" requirements are somewhat arbitrary
<SilverFox>
interesting, windows MR can run on a 1050
<SilverFox>
I would really like the samsung one
<SilverFox>
not having to worry about sensors makes it that much greater, and I think the display is better as well
<Orum>
yeah, it's same gernation but a later product, no?
<SilverFox>
yeah kind of
<SilverFox>
it's still under the first "wave" of MR headsets, but it came later
<SilverFox>
and I qualify for special pricing on it so I get it for 584$ instead of 649$
<Orum>
err, wait I'm thinking of Sony's
<Orum>
yeah I'm not really into MR
<SilverFox>
which is still absolutely absurd, but still
<SilverFox>
why not?
<SilverFox>
the controllers could be admittedly better, not gonna lie
<Orum>
not interested in mixing reality and fiction, would rather just have one or the other
<SilverFox>
yeah the samsung MR headset is 2880x1600 with Amoled screen
<SilverFox>
although I'd rather get a new laptop than spend 600$ on the MR headset
<Orum>
are you getting a new laptop? O.o
<SilverFox>
I'd rather get a new laptop with vr specs than buy a new MR headset
<Orum>
so this is a hypothetical of a hypothetical
<SilverFox>
I guess?
<SilverFox>
I really do need a new laptop, this one is missing the o key physically, and only has 8GB of ram, pagefiles tons and I could use a better processor
<Orum>
mine only has 8gb but that's plenty for what I do on it
<Orum>
I would like other platforms for code testing but can't justify the expense
<SilverFox>
firefox is currently using 4.2GB of my ram
<Orum>
dem tabs
<SilverFox>
although I have fuckton tabs, but this number comes from the memory leak from adblock
<SilverFox>
if I turn off my adblocker then I don't get the problem, at least as bad
<Orum>
you try UBlock Origin?
<SilverFox>
and it leaks every time a new tab is opened and closed
<SilverFox>
that's what I'm using
<Orum>
oh
<SilverFox>
yup
<SilverFox>
go on youtube and open a video tab with adblock a bunch of times, just keep going and you'll see the memleak
<Orum>
well I'm using ESR, not sure if it affects that
<Orum>
I'll try in a bit
<SilverFox>
also, why the fuck do i need to include windows.forms to get the battery life?
<Orum>
what are you doing?
<Orum>
C# desktop app?
<SilverFox>
yeah, console app for basic testing out things
<SilverFox>
was thinking of making a mobile VR backpack thing with a laptop where this background process checks battery percentage every now and again and then yells at the headset wearer when battery is below X%
<Orum>
you need forms for that? wow...
<SilverFox>
yeah apparently
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<SilverFox>
but you just need the forms namespace
<SilverFox>
dont need the project to be a physical windows form
<Orum>
yeah I figured, still weird though
<SilverFox>
very weird
<SilverFox>
firefox at 5GB now
<Orum>
ESR doesn't seem to have the same issue
<Orum>
that or it's small enough that I'm not noticing it
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<SilverFox>
how the fuck do you while(true) without maxing the CPU?
<SilverFox>
I just want it to chill
<Orum>
sleep()
<Orum>
(or any of the 1000 variants of that function)
<Majiir>
but if you actually want to just chillax a thread, Thread.Sleep() will do it, or you can use things like ManualResetEvent or Mutex or any number of other things which are basically just wrappers around sleeping and waking threads
<SilverFox>
hmm
<SilverFox>
I just want this program as a background process basically, just chillin checkin battery percentage every now and again
<Majiir>
So make it async, use a while(true) loop, and inside that loop do an 'await Task.Delay(TimeSpan.FromMinutes(1));'
<Majiir>
and that way you aren't coding yourself into a box with thread sleeps
<SilverFox>
hmm, I'll try that code and see what happens
<SilverFox>
thank you
<SilverFox>
from this, would it be best to just keep speech synthesis on the same thread or should I async that too?
<Majiir>
Best to not even think about threads and just think in terms of tasks, if you can
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<Majiir>
If things need to happen at the same time, start them all up and then await them. If things need to involve waiting, use 'await'.
<SilverFox>
so uhhh
<Majiir>
Patterns like polling or spinning or sleeping can be encapsulated in a Task-based API anyway
<SilverFox>
im working on pastebinning the code but it don't work
<Majiir>
That will wait for the batteryCheck() task to complete. It's just like doing an 'await' except synchronous. It's a good way of launching into an async program from a synchronous entry point (if you don't have C# 7.1 stuff installed)