UmbralRaptop changed the topic of #principia to: READ THE FAQ: http://goo.gl/gMZF9H; The current version is 🐇. We currently target 1.5.1, 1.6.1, and 1.7.x. <scott_manley> anyone that doubts the wisdom of retrograde bop needs to get the hell out | https://xkcd.com/323/ | <egg> calculating the influence of lamont on Pluto is a bit silly…
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Hmm, so I'm much better at going to the Moon from a polar orbit then from an East West one
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — This East/West attempt is gonna take me 10 days to get there...
<discord-> l​pg. — I've yet to quite wrap my head about what I should line up with what for east/west. Sometimes I get it right on first try, and I think I finally understand it, then i try again and not even close
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Yeah
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Idk how to line up the AN/DN of the orbit to face to the Moon or where it will be
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<discord-> e​gg. — @lpg @RurouniDonut use the MCEA frame
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<discord-> e​gg. — and launch into the reference plane of the navball (equivalently, minimize the out-of-plane velocity at the nodes *in that frame*)
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<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Wdym by launch into it
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Like wait until close to the gray line and start mechjeb or?
<discord-> e​gg. — yes, and make sure to set the MechJeb parameters in such a way that you end up staying on the gray line
<discord-> e​gg. — that's the plane of the moon's orbit
<discord-> e​gg. — so you should keep your velocity vector in there
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Mmm
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — I tried that last launch but still took me 10 days to get their with just prograde velocity.
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — I tried that last launch but still took me 10 days to get there with just prograde velocity. (edited)
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — I was starting to move away from the grey line a lil before the launch
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — I’ll have to figure out how to get Mechjeb to stay within the gray line
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Btw, should I plan manuevers in MCEA as the plotting frame or stick to ECI?
<discord-> e​gg. — to go to the moon, the plotting frame should be MCEA; the manoeuvre frame should possibly be ECI
<discord-> e​gg. — @RurouniDonut when you go to the moon, you care about where you are with respect to the moon (your pericynthion etc.), so you want a moon-centred frame
<discord-> e​gg. — and then you also want the beginning of the trajectory to be understandable, so you keep the direction of the Earth fixed so that the earth bit looks sane
<discord-> e​gg. — @RurouniDonut that way you get a figure-8 trajectory plot
<discord-> e​gg. — (that's old, so there was only EMB which is not ideal, also it's stock, but the principle is the same)
<discord-> l​pg. — MCEA plotting, ECI manoeuvre is what I've been using, and it's worked well
<discord-> e​gg. — yeah it's reasonable
<discord-> e​gg. — ECI manoeuvre gives you an earth-orbit-appropriate sense of "forward" (and you want to burn forward in that sense), MCEA allows you to visualize a transfer orbit
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Oh yeah, that's what I've been doing for the most part
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Except I've been using MCI for the plotting frame
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Time to figure though how to get Mechjeb to stay in the grey line
<discord-> e​gg. — yeah but MCI doesn't know about Earth
<discord-> e​gg. — so the beginning of your trajectory won't be very understandable
<discord-> l​pg. — for me the main benefit of MCEA is actually seeing where the Earth will be at the _end_ of the trajectory - for antenna purposes
<discord-> e​gg. — antenna porpoises
<discord-> e​gg. — 📡🐬
<discord-> l​pg. — the first narwhal hit for a "antenna porpoise" google image search is surprisingly low
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — I tried launching into MCEA and its not working out too well
<discord-> e​gg. — what's the out-of-plane velocity at the nodes
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Wym?
<discord-> e​gg. — click on the AN/DN, what are the numbers
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Oh
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — One sec
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — My ksp crashed
<discord-> e​gg. — ...
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — 😦
<discord-> l​pg. — that was one violent NaN
<discord-> e​gg. — also why am I not asleep at 5:30
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Yay ksp loaded
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — @egg +/- 1422ish
<discord-> e​gg. — that does not look like 0
<discord-> e​gg. — so your orbit does not lie in the grey plane
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Yeah...
<discord-> e​gg. — you have to launch when you're in the grey plane
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Idk what happened during launch, I mean the navball was on it after launching for the most part
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Well, I never got right on top of it from the launch pad
<discord-> e​gg. — was the grey plane up when you launched
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — I was close to it yeah
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — But not in it
<discord-> e​gg. — how close
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Mmm
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Lemme relaunch fast to check
<discord-> e​gg. — that's the orbital plane, so if you're not on it you have quite a bit of inclination already
<discord-> e​gg. — (the grey band is something like 5 degrees either side)
<discord-> e​gg. — (so if your orbit goes outside that band, you have more than 5 degrees relative inclination)
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Oh
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Well. lets see how close I can get
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — That's the closest it gets
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Yeah, waiting on the pad it doesnt get any closer then that at the moment
<discord-> e​gg. — well your launch site is bad
<discord-> e​gg. — it's the usual problem
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — I'm at the Cape D:
<discord-> e​gg. — yes, but at the wrong time of the precession cycle
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Yikes
<discord-> e​gg. — we've been over this discussion many times
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Yeah 😄
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — I'm trying to figure out how to combat it, polar orbits are fine to launch from but take more Delta V
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Hopefully I figure out something
<discord-> e​gg. — you need more Δv if you launch from a bad launch site when the timing is bad
<discord-> e​gg. — What are you expecting
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — :l
<discord-> e​gg. — alternatively go for fancy weak stability boundary trajectories
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — I wonder how much in real life the lunar precession affects lunar launch windows
<discord-> e​gg. — and then you'll take ages to get there, but it will be cheaper than any direct transefr
<discord-> e​gg. — and then you'll take ages to get there, but it will be cheaper than any direct transfer/ (edited)
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — I think that's what I've been doing for the 10 day transfers
<discord-> e​gg. — 10 days isn't a resonance transfer
<discord-> e​gg. — (that's 2 days in stock, but this sort of thing takes many weeks IRL)
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Ohhhhhh
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Now thats awesome
<discord-> e​gg. — @RurouniDonut you should read that guide
<discord-> e​gg. — it's the mun, but it's still largely applicable
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — I've read it before, I never tried the resonance transfer
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Been so long since I read it, time to do it again
<discord-> e​gg. — anyway, I should sleep. 🥚 💤
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Goodnight, thanks!
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<discord-> D​amien. — @RurouniDonut me and kurgut played with low energy transfers a while back. They're pretty interesting
<kmath> YouTube - Designing low energy capture transfers for spacecraft to the Moon and Mars - Edward Belbruno
<discord-> D​amien. — Do a search for 'energy from:Kurgut#5854' and you'll find our discussions of it back in June
<discord-> D​amien. — @RurouniDonut kurgut and I played with low energy transfers a while back. They're pretty interesting (edited)
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<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — I imagine for that you want higher steps then tolerance
<discord-> D​amien. — can't remember tbh, I've slept since then 🙂
<discord-> D​amien. — have a play with it
<discord-> D​amien. — there are a lot of astrodynamics docs posted in that discussion too if you want a look
<discord-> D​amien. — me and kurgut had RSS/SMURFF installs specifically for playing with principia
<discord-> D​amien. — practicing all this kind of stuff
<discord-> D​amien. — anyone heard fro kurgut btw? he seems to have vanished
<discord-> D​amien. — anyone heard from kurgut btw? he seems to have vanished (edited)
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<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Has he? 😮
<discord-> S​tandecco. — I've seen him in the KSPIE server
<_whitenotifier-31f> [Principia] yo1frenchtoast starred Principia - https://git.io/JeiqU
<_whitenotifier-31f> [Principia] Kerbinator-CN opened issue #2376: Features to 3+ planets gravity assist optimization [Enhancement] - https://git.io/JeimW
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<_whitenotifier-31f> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #2377: Separate out the code changes from #2375 - https://git.io/Jeisr
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