00:00 <queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ ⟪Al₂Me₆⟫ (As alluded to earlier, Principia's […] ⮪ This is somewhat different than that. We do know about the active engines. What we do not know about is RO or RP-1 and the slew of mods that causes that poor engine to underperform.

00:00 <queqiao-> We would very much like to remain ignorant.

00:00 <queqiao-> ⟨Gopnik_Boi⟩ ⟪Al₂Me₆⟫ That is not a sufficiently well-formed […] ⮪ well i dont want to dowlaid somthing and then my computer explodes

00:01 <queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ This seems like an unlikely consequence.

00:02 <queqiao-> ⟨Al₂Me₆⟩ ⟪egg⟫ This is somewhat different than that. […] ⮪ Fair enough. But failure mods do poke at ModuleEngines in a fairly consistent way so maybe the data could be extracted by Principia without any understanding of who did it.

00:05 <queqiao-> ⟨Al₂Me₆⟩ (There is, e.g., in Waterfall, a method that computes the cumulative effects of all external influences on engine performance: https://github.com/post-kerbin-mining-corporation/Waterfall/blob/78da340533d0e50b69ff2878d2028b1863f682c8/Source/Waterfall/EffectControllers/ThrustController.cs#L51-L56)

00:06 <queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ if it is doable via the stock APIs it might be reasonably easy.

00:07 <queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ This is the code so far, which, uncharacteristically, does maths in the C#: https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/blob/206a2a1606030a03ee1f7216ef3c05afae2b5cb4/ksp_plugin_adapter/burn_editor.cs#L323-L355

02:56 <queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ This is somewhat different from that. We do know about the active engines. What we do not know about is RO or RP-1 and the slew of mods that causes that poor engine to underperform.

02:56 <queqiao-> We would very much like to remain ignorant.

06:21 <_whitenotifier-1adf> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #3699: Only run on mockingbirdnest/Principia - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pull/3699

07:06 <queqiao-> ⟨standecco⟩ ⟪egg⟫ > <Al₂Me₆ Automated Computer> THERE IS […] ⮪ Al₂Me₆Vac

19:49 <_whitenotifier-1adf> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #3701: Include-what-you-using for integrators - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pull/3701

21:25 <queqiao-> ⟨eclipticsim⟩ ⟪fiora⟫ yeah........ i wonder how other people […] ⮪ Did you ever find a solution to the missing icon? I am having the same issue

21:25 <queqiao-> ⟨fiora⟩ Nope

21:25 <queqiao-> ⟨fiora⟩ I just Handled It

21:27 <queqiao-> ⟨eclipticsim⟩ Okay, I have started having it even without principia installed so ye

21:34 <_whitenotifier-1adf> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #3701: Include-what-you-using for integrators - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pull/3701

21:49 <queqiao-> ⟨lamont⟩ so i got particularly stupid yesterday and started to rewrite the fuel flow analzyer / delta-v analysis that MJ does into MJLib, which should wind up unburdening it from the GPLv3 and will lead to eventually extracting it (and eventually lead to support like stage 1.5 at some point).

21:50 <queqiao-> ⟨lamont⟩ (although i actually rewrote it all once before already, it was just inside this particularly messy overly-abstracted rewrite of all of MJ and i'm mostly copying that code over)

22:06 <queqiao-> ⟨siimav⟩ Is that the insanity that tries to extract logical stages from KSP stages?

22:07 <queqiao-> ⟨siimav⟩ (that I poked as well with optimizations)

22:07 <paculino> Would it be easier to have a separate UI to make actual stages that then defined the KSP stages from it?

22:43 <queqiao-> ⟨lamont⟩ yes

22:43 <queqiao-> ⟨lamont⟩ ⟪siimav⟫ Is that the insanity that tries to […] ⮪ yes

22:46 <queqiao-> ⟨lamont⟩ ⟪paculino⟫ Would it be easier to have a separate […] ⮪ yeah i've thought about that, the KSP staging is a nightmare, but i'd wind up replacing it with a stateflow-like heirarchical finite state machine