11:24 <Guest72133> hi, what is the method to target another vessel? the wiki says there should be a button in map view, but i can't find anything

11:25 <Guest72133> and clicking the vessels like in stock doesn't bring up the usual context menu

11:28 <queqiao-> ⟨kerbmario⟩ i only know how to target docking ports

11:30 <Guest72133> ok, im familiar with that, but then how to get close enough is the challenge

11:31 <Guest72133> normally for a low kerbin orbit rendezvous i would target the vessel and adjust the ascent until the markers are close

11:43 <Guest72133> hm, might be an issue with KER, i forgot it had target selection so that works at least

11:55 <queqiao-> ⟨sichelgaita⟩ https://discord.com/channels/319857228905447436/480397772248580098/1144232154147070032

14:46 <queqiao-> ⟨.neilarmweak⟩ I've been thinking of installing Principia over the last couple of days just to have a bit of a challenge boost. But I really don't want to lose my current save files and progress. Would installing principia, break my vessels in orbit at the moment?

14:48 <queqiao-> ⟨alforath⟩ Most probably as orbital parameters will break

14:52 <queqiao-> ⟨lpg4999⟩ vessels in orbit are generally fine. vessels in interplanetary space will generally find themselves on a trajectory that's no longer going where it was going

14:52 <queqiao-> ⟨.neilarmweak⟩ Is there anything I can do right now apart from creating quicksaves to make sure that if Principia does break my save, that I can still recover it?

14:54 <queqiao-> ⟨.neilarmweak⟩ +Edit: How big of a learning curve is principia? I've been playing KSP for 4 years now, and RSS for years. I feel that I somewhat understand the mechanics of the game... do I need to wipe all that away or is it sort just like swithcing from stock to RSS/RO?

14:54 <queqiao-> ⟨.neilarmweak⟩ +2

15:12 <queqiao-> ⟨danimalfarm⟩ Split conics are a reasonable approximation, so it won't be totally alien. But perturbations by nearby celestial bodies will affect orbits.

15:12 <queqiao-> ⟨danimalfarm⟩ * approximation (in many cases),

15:12 <queqiao-> ⟨danimalfarm⟩ On the upside, you can establish stable L4/L5 orbits.

15:56 <queqiao-> ⟨.neilarmweak⟩ That was what I've been so attracted by about Principia, I really want to learn in establishing Lagrange points in orbit. I've heard that principia's maneuver planner is somehwat complicated... would mechjeb's planner still suffice?

17:11 <queqiao-> ⟨butcher6994⟩ You really need to sue the principia planner.

17:11 <queqiao-> ⟨butcher6994⟩ * use

17:12 <queqiao-> ⟨butcher6994⟩ Also, why do lagrange points when you can do fun stuff like this?

17:12 <queqiao-> https://discord.com/channels/319857228905447436/480397772248580098/1156169709264306216

18:42 <queqiao-> ⟨ballatik⟩ I found the maneuver planner to be the biggest learning curve, but the wiki was very helpful. There was relearning of some stuff involved, but mostly in ways that made more sense than stock so that helped. Most of the difficulty change I saw was either dealing with inclination or the ability to do more complicated (and interesting) things.

19:02 <queqiao-> ⟨butcher6994⟩ Learning which reference frames to use is another aspect I think.

19:17 <queqiao-> ⟨ballatik⟩ True, but the mouseover tips on those are pretty straightforward

20:24 <queqiao-> ⟨danimalfarm⟩ Are those stable enough to deal with Mars and Jupiter strolling by?

22:09 <queqiao-> ⟨Quadrupole🇵🇸🇸🇾🇨🇺⟩ That's Pluto and Charon btw

22:11 <queqiao-> ⟨butcher6994⟩ I imagine Mars and Jupiter are too fast to have much influence

22:11 <queqiao-> ⟨butcher6994⟩ * far

22:11 <queqiao-> ⟨butcher6994⟩ It's not particularly stable though, it tends to eject itself.