ferram4 changed the topic of #RO to: Welcome to the discussion channel for the Realism Overhaul (meta)mod for KSP! Realism Overhaul Main Thread https://goo.gl/wH7Dzb ! RO Spreadsheet http://goo.gl/Oem3g0 ! Code of Conduct http://goo.gl/wOSv2M ! | Maximal & soundnfury's RP-1 Race Into Space Signup: http://bit.ly/2DEVm2i [15:01] <soundnfury> Straight Eight Stronk (and) RP-0/1 is basically "Space Agency Spreadsheet Simulator"
<Starwaster> yeah, right now I'm pretty much sticking close to home and looking for some cheap orbital solutions
<Starwaster> like dragging some asteroids into orbit
<Starwaster> I think I can go methane... but I was hoping to do ammonia
<soundnfury> what for?
<Starwaster> LqdAmmonia for NTR
<Starwaster> great stuff. Easy to keep liquefied and has good delta-V and thrust
<Starwaster> ammonia is underrated
<Starwaster> but methane is almost as good
<Starwaster> great if you're also doing chemical methane rockets, which I am
<Bornholio> if it haz oxygen its bad for NTR
<Starwaster> just right now I'm looking to set up a permanent orbital presence with nuclear shuttles
<Bornholio> well unless your okay with quite a bit lower temp/ISP
<Starwaster> yeah yeah
<Starwaster> listen
<Starwaster> I am SO over the isp thing
<Bornholio> NO ZUBRIN
<Starwaster> that's bullshit that LANTR 'trades' isp for thrust... as though isp is some sort of end all be all goal to achieve
<Bornholio> great guy, willing to blow smoke to get anything
<Starwaster> isp is just another math term in an equation
<Starwaster> you don't 'trade' it for anything
<Starwaster> if you have a LANTR rocket, you have all gains when you switch to LOX mode. There are no losses
<soundnfury> Starwaster: sure you do. Engineering is all about tradeoffs, and Isp _is_ valuable...
<soundnfury> it's just not the only thing that's valuable
<Bornholio> except majic energy in the equations i've seen
<Starwaster> it's only valuable in determining thrust and delta V
<Starwaster> it's just a tool
<Starwaster> it has no intrinsic value however
<soundnfury> the mathematical concept is a tool
<soundnfury> the thing it represents is real
<Starwaster> it's taken me awhile to see that but I do now
<Starwaster> no it doesn't
<Starwaster> it's just a concept
<soundnfury> ... if Isp is just a concept, then so are thrust and delta V. And velocity.
<soundnfury> that doesn't stop them from being things that you sometimes want ;-)
<soundnfury> Starwaster: you might also be able to get nitrogen / ammonia from comets
<soundnfury> and if this is Mars you're interested in then CO is worth considering
<soundnfury> (you should read https://yarchive.net/space/rocket/nuclear_thermal.html if you haven't seen it before. Also all of that website.)
<Starwaster> I told you I'm sticking close to home at this stage and... what comets?
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<soundnfury> I don't know... anything short-period has probably already lost most of its interesting volatiles, which makes it tricky
<Starwaster> pretty sure I've seen all that before (the NTR link) - not sure what its relevance is to me looking to mine resources...?
<Starwaster> again WHAT comets?
<Starwaster> we dont have them
<soundnfury> Starwaster: we could add them :P
<Starwaster> a new mod? feel free; write it up
<soundnfury> Do I look like a not-useless person to you?
<soundnfury> I already have about four different half-baked ideas for mods I haven't got time to make, plus the three I started and then abandoned :P
<Starwaster> four half baked? So that means between them you have two completed mods
<Bornholio> starwaster made three test motors ~50N thrust, 120ISP
<Bornholio> need to work on the mix a little, but i made 3kg of the stuff, so not happening for a while
<Bornholio> need to work on the mix a little, but i made 3kg of the stuff, so not happening for a while
<Bornholio> how high up dioes 1100dV go :?
<Starwaster> how high up where?
<Bornholio> If i go above 1000' thats a bad idea, just incase someone turns me in at the park
<soundnfury> max. height (assuming infinite TWR) is v²/2g.
<soundnfury> (1100m/s)² / (2 * 9.8m/s²) = 61,735m
<soundnfury> that was also assuming zero drag obviously
<Bornholio> so i'm not gonna get that
<soundnfury> well clearly
<Bornholio> or i've calced by dV wrong
<soundnfury> but I'm not sure you'll stay below 1,000ft ;)
<Bornholio> yeah gonna have to add quite a bit to dry mass
<Bornholio> carbo fiber tubing solids are scary i guess
<soundnfury> I think (drawing on extensive KSP experience) that in that sort of range you get maybe half the theoretical max.
<soundnfury> Your main problem is likely to be making it not disintegrate when Q gets high
<Bornholio> you mean ripping off fins and going sideways
<soundnfury> last really big solid CUSF launched (that I heard of) ripped its fins off
<soundnfury> and went sideways :)
<soundnfury> at least that'll keep it below 1,000ft I guess xD
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<blowfish> lamont: you around?
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<Bornholio> soundnfury do you have rights in testflight?
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<soundnfury> Bornholio: don't think so...
<Bornholio> .sadFace
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<soundnfury> nope, no write rights :(
* soundnfury gives Bornholio eines unglückliches Posaune
<Bornholio> https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/ApolloFlags-Condition.html okay, languish it continues
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<soundnfury> heh, my J57-based plane can supercruise
<soundnfury> I'm doing an X-planes (supersonic) contract, and reached the required 370m/s without using the afterburner :)
<Bornholio> nice
<soundnfury> have some screenies http://jttlov.no-ip.org/vc3_0.png and _1.png
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<soundnfury> covered in lumps for area ruling...
<Bornholio> yes lot more work into it than i sir.
<Bornholio> do you have FAR on strict?
<soundnfury> just defaults
<soundnfury> which I think is moderate area ruling?
<Bornholio> yes
<soundnfury> heh, gives me a Dunne vibe
<Bornholio> please nausica and the valley of the wind if have not
<soundnfury> top speed with afterburners 700m/s. Could go more but the engine would catch fire
<Bornholio> need that 58
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<soundnfury> ceiling 27km
<soundnfury> is the 58 the blackbird engine?
<Bornholio> yes sir, i was fondling one on friday, luve me some variable CoP engine
<soundnfury> mmm
<Bornholio> still can't get my son to climb on the afterburner for a picture
<Rokker> Bornholio: reeeeeee abusing history
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<Rokker> Bornholio: tho to be fair I have hugged one
<Rokker> Bornholio: ive also sat on a 787 inlet
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<Rokker> Bornholio: if I go to SAC, will you help me steal the vulcan
<Bornholio> yes, we can fit it in my pocket
<Rokker> Bornholio: good, I love cargo pants
<Rokker> Bornholio: I probably wont be to SAC before next summer but I'll definitely let you know
<Rokker> might also meet another guy in the general area that I know
<Bornholio> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tglp0nJTw3M cool maybe you can rent this to get it home
<Rokker> do yall have a supergup?
<Rokker> Bornholio: they used to bring the superguppy to the Dayton air show :(
<Rokker> 2011 was the last time they did apparently but they didnt have its face open
<Bornholio> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4o-4cdCrQE you help me get a spare or two from motham
<Rokker> Bornholio: I think the last time the guppy was in the dayton area was 2012 when it brought the shuttle training cockpit
<Bornholio> ah, we have one of those too
<Rokker> Bornholio: no
<Rokker> dayton and texas have to only actual full trainers
<Rokker> sorry I shouldnt have said cockpit
<Rokker> the crew compartment trainer
<Rokker> which simulates the full compartment
<Bornholio> well then we have this https://i.imgur.com/JCvyHDY.jpg
<Rokker> yeah you have the Atlantis trainer which is ok I suppose
<Rokker> yall have the X-38
<Bornholio> its on loan, hope its here when you come, also https://i.imgur.com/YtgG5L9.jpg
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<awang> \o
<Bornholio> o/
<Rokker> Bornholio: it's a permanent loan
<Rokker> "loans" in the museum world mostly mean permanent unless it's a travelling exhibit
<Rokker> for example most USAF aircraft in private museums are "on loan" from the NMUSAF
<Rokker> I wish the nmusaf displayed its atlas
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<awang> Bornholio: Submitted a PR for the RF changes
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<Bornholio> awang: awesome thanks
<Bornholio> I was missing my colors, what do i need to make 1.4.5 dlls made?