UmbralRaptor changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> … one of the other grad students just compared me to nomal O_o | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
<soundnfury> there are many US states beginning with the letter M with state universities.
<UmbralRaptor> !acr -add:MSU Missouri State University
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: I added the explanation for this acronym.
<UmbralRaptor> UMKC?
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: [UMKC] => University of Missouri, Kansas City
<UmbralRaptor> There are lots of more famous ones, but in the context of #kspacademia, it'll usually be that MSU.
<soundnfury> They have clerics.
<soundnfury> Run.
<Ellied> towards, or away?
<soundnfury> also, is the dean actually Sir Bearington?
<UmbralRaptor> Remember: cleric, wizard, rogue, fighter. In that order.
<UmbralRaptor> soundnfury: I've never actually seen the dean, so I have no idea of their species. Incidientally, there are a bunch of bear statues on campus.
<soundnfury> UmbralRaptor: I prefer to be an open sorceror
<soundnfury> UmbralRaptor: so I gathered from the Internets.
<Ellied> it's 2017, and we're still calling video/audio recordings "tapes?"
<UmbralRaptor> Yes. Consider that we still sometimes call movies "films," and describe text-based conversations as "talking."
<Ellied> That won't go away, will it? The singularity will arrive, we'll be interacting with reality exclusively through machines, but we'll still call saved time-dependent records of it "tapes"
<UmbralRaptor> Quite possibly. See the survival of the floppy disk icon?
<soundnfury> Ellied: also https://xkcd.com/1782/
<Ellied> mm, true.
* soundnfury is that guy. Or would be, if our IT department didn't refuse to set up an IRC gateway
<soundnfury> (so I'm just not reachable by Slack at all, which is fine by me ;)
<Ellied> I'm annoyed by the apparent departure of desktop chat aggregator clients from typical usage. Used to be you could get pretty much all your chat protocols into Pidgin, or Empathy, or Trillian or whatever have you, but now every big chat provider wants to use some really proprietary protocol that nobody can write clients for but them.
<soundnfury> Ellied: which is why I refuse to use any chat provider whose protocol doesn't have a proper RFC
<Ellied> I've already fallen into the trap. Now everyone expects to be able to find me on facebook and groupme and shit
<Ellied> I'll use facebook chat as long as purple-facebook works, basically. As soon as I have to actually open their stupid website to use it, I'm gone.
<soundnfury> Ellied: hah! I _knew_ being a surly friendless autistic hacker weirdo would pay off in the long run!
<Ellied> I wonder if I can get a jabber server running on my RPi. Getting my friends to use IRC hasn't worked especially well, but I might be able to convince them to use something that at least looks about the same as facebook or gchat.
<Ellied> ...or maybe they'll just tell me "I don't see why it's better" like they always do.
<soundnfury> Ellied: ... get better friends maybe?
<Ellied> they're good friends in other ways, they just don't care about my righteous rage against popular but shitty software.
<soundnfury> le sigh :(
<soundnfury> well, I'm out of ideas.
<Iskierka> thanks to first year team project at least most people on my course hate the APIs, though they'll still use the chat anyway
<Ellied> my social life is already strained enough without introducing reachability trouble into it, honestly. nobody really cares about the problems with facebook etc (yet), certainly not enough to bother installing something else, and if I make it hard to reach me, then I think my local social sphere will just sort of bypass me and I'll miss out on a lot.
<Ellied> Much as I hate to admit it, I can't take on a multibillion-dollar company all on my own, lol
<Ellied> even if it's just a localized battle for home turf.
<soundnfury> Ellied: just do what I do, don't have a social life
<soundnfury> and end up lonely LIKE ZOIDBERG!!!
<Ellied> I'm pretty sure I kinda need one to live. I've been conditioned to need it all my life.
<Ellied> oh good, they're showing Nixon footage on MSNBC now.
<Ellied> "what if Trump... is as bad as Nixon?!???!???!????!???!?!"
<soundnfury> is that the original Nixon, or the robotic Nixon from Futurama?
<Ellied> the original
<Ellied> I wonder if I could put together a usable chat application in Python. That might be fun.
<Ellied> that would probably be 10% socket communication and 90% UI design.
<soundnfury> Ellied: are you not familiar with the Ninety-Ninety Rule?
<Ellied> no, what is it?
<Ellied> "the first 90%" and "the other 90%?" what does that mean?
<soundnfury> it means that it always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law.
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<Ellied> surely it would be effective enough to say that the first 90% of the code is the first 10% of the development time and vice versa.
<soundnfury> Ellied: do I really have to explain the joke?
<Ellied> No, I get the joke, I just think it makes it confusing and less funny than if it played it straight.
<soundnfury> I think the played-straight version was kinda already a thing
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<soundnfury> which is part of what makes the 90-90 rule funny
<Iskierka> Ellied, made a technically usable chat application in python (though had basic client/server connection/send/receive made) for Distributed Systems
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<Ellied> Iskierka: neat
<egg|zzz|egg> e_14159: https://xkcd.com/1838/
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<egg|work|egg> !wpn Thomas
* Qboid gives Thomas a tagged woomera
<egg|work|egg> !wpn Ellied
* Qboid gives Ellied an inert metal/correction hybrid
<egg|work|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor a holomorphic soliton
<egg|work|egg> !wpn Iskierka
* Qboid gives Iskierka an isentropic monopole
<egg|work|egg> !wpn whitequark
* Qboid gives whitequark a polar keyboard
* UmbralRaptor ? STSciI in the flash requirement https://twitter.com/stsci/status/864844749995429889
<kmath> <stsci> Colloquium today: Adam Leroy on "Observing the Physical State of the Cold Gas in Nearby Galaxies". Live, 3:30pm EDT… https://t.co/XcyPkZX5ZN
<e_14159> egg|work|egg: Aye
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<SnoopJeDi> ooh I didn't realize they tweet those
* SnoopJeDi follows
<SnoopJeDi> I haven't watched one in months, but I've enjoyed the ones I've seen
<SnoopJeDi> And I also just have a soft spot for STScI because that's home ;_;
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<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor a transpose manifold
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn egg|zzz|egg
* Qboid gives egg|zzz|egg an expanded cathode ray tube
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn Ellied
* Qboid gives Ellied a lead monopole/pentode hybrid
* egg|zzz|egg stares at egg|work|egg
<egg|zzz|egg> apparently I left the webchat tab open on my desktop
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: gah, I keep forgetting to file a ticket to get my machine renamed to andromeda or somesuch
<e_14159> What's it called right now, and why can't you just set the hostname?
<UmbralRaptor> .tell egg|work|egg Remember to file a ticket to get your machine renamed to andromeda or somesuch
<UmbralRaptor> !tell egg|work|egg Remember to file a ticket to get your machine renamed to andromeda or somesuch
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<egg|zzz|egg> e_14159: there's a job that would reset it I think? not sure, but I have to go through a ticket to change something in some system somewhere
* egg|zzz|egg is sufficiently clueless not to divulge confidential info \o/
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: I have to give a list of 3 names in decreasing order of preference... andromeda, m31, and what
<UmbralRaptor> NGC 224?
<UmbralRaptor> 2MASX J00424433+4116074?
* UmbralRaptor ducks.
<egg|zzz|egg> >_>
<Ellied> call it wlx24a05fb0a0f10
<egg|zzz|egg> ???
<Ellied> udev names for network interfaces
<kmath> <scanlime> Still such a rack cat https://t.co/tx52HttEPJ
<Ellied> the core three (usually, loopback, ethernet, and wifi) used to be lo, eth0, and wlan0, and if you installed more wifi adapters it would add wlan1, wlan2, etc. Nowadays they've changed something with udev so it's "predictable" but what that really means is that a system with two wifi adapters will have interfaces named lo, enp12s0, wlp11s0, and wlx[the mac address of the device] which is....
<Ellied> odd.
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn Ellied
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<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: should I try going observing on the hill tonight
<e_14159> egg|zzz|egg: You know, when we want to name our servers, IT says "As long as we don't administrate them, we don't care"
<e_14159> (I was tempted to call them Dick und Doof respectively, but resisted. They're still called that in my hosts file)
<Thomas> :D
<egg|zzz|egg> phl did some consulting for a company ages ago that had machine named after dances
<e_14159> (Dick is the four-HE 8gpu server, Doof the two-HE 4gpu server. It's actually quite fitting)
<egg|zzz|egg> at some point they got a pair of machines (sort of weirdly advertised as dual-processor although it was 2 machines in 1 box), they called them Rock and Roll
<e_14159> :D
<e_14159> Max & Moritz?
<e_14159> (Some people apparently call their twins that... poor children)
<egg|zzz|egg> then when they called to get support for those and it was an inconvenient time, phl would just answer "ah, but is it rock, or is it roll? that's important" and then they'd go and check :D
<e_14159> :D
<e_14159> Also, did you know that you can create a logical volume with a cache?
* egg|zzz|egg knows some of these words
<e_14159> Essentially, we now have two HDDs forming a mountpoint, and an ssd caching them
<e_14159> Interestingly, once you restart, it checks the cache. And, by default, installing the lvm manager *does not* install the tool checking the cache...
<e_14159> Meaning that booting fails, and I had to walk downstairs.
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<Iskierka> ... marks are bs. Explain what the mapper and reducer function below compute: (you do not need to describe how the computation is carried out). 4 marks on a low-mark (but long) paper, so need to say quite a bit
<Iskierka> given the requirement to NOT describe how, I can only find "This mapper-reducer appears to find the length of the longest word in the documents". And the exam feedback says nothing about this question part
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<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor a Bayesian microscope
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: should I go out on the hill and observe
<egg|zzz|egg> and what should I observe
<kmath> <astrocirce> @ObservatoryCats Dot and Dash hope your lunch was sun-sational. https://t.co/cnV1WpkS3B
<kmath> <astrocirce> @ObservatoryCats Although I feel like this one really channels the tough life that our little Dash leads https://t.co/H2MVoyKABX
* UmbralRaptor pokes Europa funding with a congressional subcommittee.
* egg|zzz|egg pokes UmbralRaptor with a telescope
<egg|zzz|egg> raptorchoose go to the hill|observe out the window
<UmbralRaptor> egg|zzz|egg: goto hill
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<egg|laptop|egg> UmbralRaptor: live from the hill: M13 \o/
<UmbralRaptor> \o/
<UmbralRaptor> Hm. Does this mean M5 is visible?
<egg|laptop|egg> also some sort of satellite running through the sky
<egg|laptop|egg> ttrackable but can't see it on stellarium
<UmbralRaptor> It's a Russian spy!
<egg|laptop|egg> UmbralRaptor: m5 should be doable?
<egg|laptop|egg> yup clouds have cleared there
<UmbralRaptor> \o/
<egg|laptop|egg> UmbralRaptor: yup I have M5
<UmbralRaptor> \o/
<egg|laptop|egg> UmbralRaptor: also Jupiter has 2 moons on either side if you want to have a lok
<egg|laptop|egg> s/ok/ook
<Qboid> egg|laptop|egg meant to say: UmbralRaptor: also Jupiter has 2 moons on either side if you want to have a look
<egg|laptop|egg> UmbralRaptor: any other targets?
<egg|laptop|egg> north is a bit cloudy right now, otherwise I'd try bode or something
<egg|laptop|egg> though I've never had luck with galaxies aside from m31
<UmbralRaptor> M92?
<UmbralRaptor> M57? ε-Lyr?
<UmbralRaptor> M29 if it's not too low?
<egg|laptop|egg> UmbralRaptor: this scope isn't a good instrument for doubles though
<egg|laptop|egg> M92 should
<egg|laptop|egg> s/$/work
<Qboid> egg|laptop|egg meant to say: M92 should work
<egg|laptop|egg> but the sky's clearing up on the bode side
<egg|laptop|egg> UmbralRaptor: arre the bode nebulae good targets
<UmbralRaptor> M81/82? yes
<egg|laptop|egg> UmbralRaptor: \o/ 2 tiny spots of nebulosity
<UmbralRaptor> \o/
<UmbralRaptor> what if we used more power?
<egg|laptop|egg> also my back hurts
* egg|laptop|egg will try the bodes at 5mm
<egg|laptop|egg> UmbralRaptor: at 5mm, there's a core and some surrounding nebulosity (basically same as before but bigger). I am looking over an airport in a generally cloudy direction after all
<UmbralRaptor> hrm
<egg|laptop|egg> UmbralRaptor: dumbbell! definitely not round
* egg|laptop|egg should head back home probably
<UmbralRaptor> \o/
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<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor a doomed bustard
<soundnfury> !wpn egg|zzz|egg
* Qboid gives egg|zzz|egg a superconducting dipole triode
* egg|zzz|egg pets UmbralRaptor with a galaxy
* UmbralRaptor is too small to feel tidal effects.
<egg|zzz|egg> !u C̅̅
<Qboid> U+0043 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C (C)
<Qboid> U+0305 COMBINING OVERLINE (◌̅)
<Qboid> U+0305 COMBINING OVERLINE (◌̅)
* UmbralRaptor wonders what that's used for.