UmbralRaptor changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> … one of the other grad students just compared me to nomal O_o | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
* UmbralRaptor
continues to stab phone/carrier issues.
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* UmbralRaptor
stabs other phone setup issues.
<UmbralRaptor>
...is it too much to ask for a phablet that runs linux (like debian, not android), with a bunch of ports of varying types?
* UmbralRaptor
wonders where the nearest free wifi is that doesn't block everything that isn't port 80/443.
* UmbralRaptor
puts the nyancat into a distant retrograde orbit.
<egg|anbo|egg>
Sarbian: also, there's a wiring panel here where things switch through two dominoes from red phase/blue neutral to red neutral/blue phase D:
<Sarbian>
What, where, who ? Did I miss a previous ping ?
<Technicalfool>
o_o
<egg|anbo|egg>
Sarbian: here, I'm in Normandy
<Sarbian>
oh
<Sarbian>
Is it raining ?
<egg|anbo|egg>
well yes
<Sarbian>
I have my new keyboard. Went with a gaming one finaly. A bit smaller than the old one, which I think is good
<Technicalfool>
"gaming keyboard", so it has red WSAD keys and everything's backlit with programmable RGB?
<Sarbian>
Yeah, it s hard to get one without that...
<Technicalfool>
hard to get *motherboards* without display lighting on now. I mean I get status LEDs but wtf. Not *everyone* is a ricer.
<egg|anbo|egg>
Infrared M31 \o/
<Sarbian>
The feature I wanted is mecanical switch that don't make too much noise, and it does fine on that point
<Technicalfool>
that keyboard would probably infuriate me. I can touch type up until the point where I have to think about some rarely used punctuation (or up until I realise I'm touch typing).
<egg|anbo|egg>
Technicalfool: any particular reason why we need n-body nyancat now?
<Technicalfool>
why not?
<egg|anbo|egg>
Technicalfool: I was wondering whether there was some specific context
<Sarbian>
don't worry egg, I m working on it ;)
<egg|anbo|egg>
Technicalfool: oh right you linked me something
<egg|anbo|egg>
Sarbian: we should meet someday to discuss the design of an n-nyancat system simulation :-p
<Sarbian>
You should actually be in Paris when I am too ;)
<egg|anbo|egg>
Sarbian: yeah, we should plan that
<egg|anbo|egg>
Sarbian: maybe I could arrange some scheme to meet with the youtube people in the paris office that way I have a work reason to go there :-p
<kmath>
<whitequark> @mcclure111 you keep having problems easily solved by "not running the vendor's shitty idea of what a firmware should look like"
<whitequark>
what?
<whitequark>
cyanogenmod/lineageos exists
<whitequark>
thats AOSP combined with vendor drivers/kernels and a few minor modifications for better privacy
* UmbralRaptor
ran cyanogenmod for a while back when he had a Motofail Droid 3. Well "ran" as you had to choose between the builds with working ICS hardware acceleration and the builds with a working camera.
<UmbralRaptor>
Also there were JB ones, which tended to cause lag spikes as the phone ran out of RAM.
<whitequark>
cyanogenmod doesnt work perfectly on *every* phone but it works on a damn well large amount of them
<whitequark>
for example, on xperia z2 cyanogenmod experience is only inferior in that the camera DRM keys (?!! the fuck, vendor?) are cleared
<whitequark>
and in my experience it is usually far superior to the shite that the vendor considers acceptable
* UmbralRaptor
's Nexus 5 at least ran great for ages. Admittedly it ultimately got terminal cement poisoning, and the replacement screen broke from the inside out.
<whitequark>
hell, not having google apps alone is a reason enough to install cm
* UmbralRaptor
is still unsure how the 5X consistently felt slower than the 5, despite the same number of pixels on screen, the same amount of ram, and a faster processer.
<whitequark>
profile it?
<whitequark>
they could have fucked up cpu governors or something like that
<UmbralRaptor>
It succumbed to the LG bootloop problem over the weekend.
<whitequark>
or newer android tried to do something with the gpu that the gpu didnt like
<whitequark>
lol
<whitequark>
how typical
<UmbralRaptor>
I incidentally was given an iPhone 7S, but I've only gotten it partially working after 2 days of effort.
<whitequark>
what
<UmbralRaptor>
Not working as in I need to mess with preferences. Working as in I can get to the homescreen, use apps, etc. I still have to get through carrier fuckery at some point so it can call/text, and have gotten basically nowhere with iTunes.
<UmbralRaptor>
whitequark: Long story, but I was given a bunch of fairly nice (or expensive anyway) hardware over the past week or so.
<Sarbian>
iPhone ? Preference ? You can customize things in iPhone ?
* UmbralRaptor
wonders why bothering with unlocked phones, when there's basically 1 carrier that honors BYOD.
<UmbralRaptor>
Sarbian: latest hardware (so 2 years of security/bug fixes), $0
<Sarbian>
That helps with adopting it ;)
<whitequark>
the US is so fucked up. carrier lock!
<whitequark>
can you *imagine* having mobile carriers, wired telcos, banks, payment processors, [insert industry here] fucking everyone over to such degree literally anywhere else in the world
<UmbralRaptor>
Also, Verizon and Sprint phones tended to not have sim cards for ages. They often do now, but don't use them.
<whitequark>
wat
<whitequark>
how does that even work
<UmbralRaptor>
CDMA
<UmbralRaptor>
The standard that would kill your data connection when you recieved a call.
<whitequark>
oh
<Sarbian>
Sims will be gone in a few years
<whitequark>
what's this, 1999?
* UmbralRaptor
used that motofail on verizon from summer 2011 to the end of 2013.
<whitequark>
the last time I touched cdma was like seven years ago and it was a data-only modem
<whitequark>
the only reason that used cdma is it ran on like 700 mhz
<whitequark>
so a company that inherited^Wbasically stolen from the state a country-wide network of cdma base stations could cover, well, most of the country, including wilderness no one lives in
<whitequark>
otherwise it was utter shite, super expensive and speeds on par with a 56k modem
<UmbralRaptor>
Verizon, sure. Sprint also did (does?) the CDMA thing and is infamous for it's poor coverage.
<whitequark>
it might just not use the right bands
<whitequark>
not sure
<UmbralRaptor>
Like, I remember seeing lots of people getting no service in Kansas City (where Sprint's headquarters are located)
<whitequark>
LOL
<egg|anbo|egg>
!wpn whitequark
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gives whitequark a triaxial katana
<egg|anbo|egg>
!wpn UmbralRaptor
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gives UmbralRaptor a dorsal fish
<egg|anbo|egg>
!wpn Sarbian
* Qboid
gives Sarbian a bijective knife-like theory
<UmbralRaptor>
!wpn egg|anbo|egg
* Qboid
gives egg|anbo|egg a catadioptric comma with a thermistor attachment
<UmbralRaptor>
cat!
<UmbralRaptor>
T-Mobile also has a bad rep for coverage, but actually does urban/suburban areas well. It's iffy between cities / in rual ones, though.
<UmbralRaptor>
(eg: I don't have service out at my school's observatory)
* egg|anbo|egg
nomz
<egg|anbo|egg>
(and thus afk)
<UmbralRaptor>
egg|anbo|egg: don't set anything on fire.
<Sarbian>
That's not exactly regulation compliant egg|anbo|egg
<whitequark>
jesus christ egg
<UmbralRaptor>
Wait, implicitly the last few lines mean egg|anbo|egg is eating wiring.
<whitequark>
please set it all on fire
<Technicalfool>
maybge I'll hop a ferry and go say hi to Sarb or/and Egg at some point. Maybe before I need to get a visa to go there.
<egg|anbo|egg>
whitequark: :D
<egg|anbo|egg>
whitequark: well it's originally as old as the house
<egg|anbo|egg>
whitequark: and then was incrementally patched
* UmbralRaptor
tries to recall. To update Android now from Cyanogenmod, don't you need to go back to stock to do the update, then reroot/flash (and maybe even re-unlock)?
<egg|anbo|egg>
whitequark: and as you may have noticed, there's red phase/blue neutral going to blue phase/red neutral :D
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<egg|anbo|egg>
Technicalfool: clearly we need to hold an ANBO seminar with the entire channel :-p
<whitequark>
UmbralRaptor: no?
<whitequark>
you just flash newer cyanogenmod
<egg|anbo|egg>
UmbralRaptor: whitequark: Ellied: Sarbian: you may have noticed that there's a dead wasp in there for some reason
<whitequark>
you dont even need actually working cyanogenmod
<whitequark>
its enough to have working *recovery*
<Technicalfool>
egg, take photos. Send them to Electroboom.
<Technicalfool>
or AvE maybe.
<Technicalfool>
but preferably Electroboom.
<Technicalfool>
"See if you wire things like this up wrong, you can very easily end up with all the metal cases on your items being electrified. Just like this." *grab* *ZZZOT* *AGHFUCK*
<UmbralRaptor>
whitequark: I was running into that back when I had the Nexus 5.
<UmbralRaptor>
IIRC
<egg|anbo|egg>
Technicalfool: whitequark: I think I made sense of the wiring there, except I'm not sure where one phase is coming from, there's probably a connection between two wires at the back of the boiler or somesuch
<UmbralRaptor>
egg|anbo|egg: I'm going to assume that the wasp was electrocuted.
* egg|anbo|egg
back to nomz
<Technicalfool>
egg's electricals literally have a bug in them.
<egg|anbo|egg>
!wpn Technicalfool
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gives Technicalfool a harmonic circle
<egg|anbo|egg>
!wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid
gives UmbralRaptor a hafnium minion
<egg|anbo|egg>
!wpn whitequark
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gives whitequark a bustard
<UmbralRaptor>
!wpn egg|anbo|egg
* Qboid
gives egg|anbo|egg a ringularity
<UmbralRaptor>
>_>
<UmbralRaptor>
<_<
<egg|anbo|egg>
whitequark: tbh it's better than I was eggspecting; but it did take us some time to figure out what the hell was going on
<egg|anbo|egg>
Sarbian: note that the big DRT.CB Telemecanique box is not actually connected to anything; its main purpose is as a step for the cat when it jumps atop the boiler
<egg|anbo|egg>
Sarbian: the arret-charbon-ete-hiver switch is also not connected to anything, though it has a shunt between its terminals for no good reason
<egg|anbo|egg>
tbh from our voltage measurements there are a lot of things that are not connected to anything
<egg|anbo|egg>
there are two phases (both red) coming into that box, only one of which is used, and there's a third red wire that's likely floating (measured 40ish V from the nearby phase)
<egg|anbo|egg>
there's also a wire which on one side is not connected to a pump and on the other is connected to a screw in the wooden panel (but it does that via a domino for some reason)
<egg|anbo|egg>
UmbralRaptor: Technicalfool: whitequark: also apologies for the french eleggtrical terminology, s/domino/screw terminal/
<bofh>
egg|anbo|egg: please tell me the blue-jacketed wires aren't Al
<egg|anbo|egg>
bofh: ?
<egg|anbo|egg>
bofh: as in Aluminium?
<egg|anbo|egg>
bofh: I think it's all copper
<egg|anbo|egg>
bofh: the main gripe I have with the blue wires is that sometimes they carry phase and sometimes neutral, and same for the red ones, probably because the rationale for using them was "hey we have all that blue wire"
<bofh>
yes, as in aluminum. since mixing that with a copper install is like asking for galvanic corrosion.
<bofh>
also *awesome* doing that's against electrical code and also I'm pretty sure fire code too.
<egg|anbo|egg>
bofh: I don't think there's any alu here
<egg|anbo|egg>
just a bit of a mess of copper
<egg|anbo|egg>
bofh: also a wasp, not sure what the regulations are on that :-p
<UmbralRaptor>
Wasps are probably a bit flammable.
<egg|anbo|egg>
bofh: "doing that" << confused by pronoun, are you referring to Al-Cu mix, or colours (also, what country)
<egg|anbo|egg>
!wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid
gives UmbralRaptor a Stern-Gerlach sequence point
<egg|anbo|egg>
!wpn bofh
* Qboid
gives bofh a faithful infrared function generator
<bofh>
egg|anbo|egg: so I was referring to using the same colour for carrying different electrical lines.
<bofh>
egg|anbo|egg: obviously Al/Cu mix is against electrical code, fire code and sanity everywhere in the world that has a reasonable code & enforces it, since, again, galvanic corrosion.
<egg|anbo|egg>
bofh: yeah, it's certainly against both the old and the new standards to put a phase on the blue in france
<egg|anbo|egg>
bofh: and it's probably a bad idea to put different phases on the red, but blue phase is screwy
<egg|anbo|egg>
bofh: at least the green/yellow seems to be consistently earth (and picks it up from black which would be consistent with old-style wiring)
<egg|anbo|egg>
I think the inside of the panel was just "wire lying around"
<egg|anbo|egg>
also wasps lying around
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<SnoopJeDi>
CM member of labmate's committee during preliminary exam, after some question that labmate began answering with "well, it's not understood-": "Trust me, in superconductivity nothing is understood."
<bofh>
Accurate
<bofh>
Very, very distressingly accurate.
<SnoopJeDi>
My labmate's subject is BSCCO-2212 bofh so even moreso, hah
<SnoopJeDi>
Quite a lot of productive discussion about process development in the remaining work (locally, prelims are basically a pre-defense; most of the work has already been done :|) between labmate, advisor, CM guy, and materials science guy
<SnoopJeDi>
bofh, my understanding of BSCCO goes to about *mumblemumble* pairing of some sort *mumble*
<bofh>
egg|anbo|egg: use a marker? :P
<SnoopJeDi>
HTSC is...bizarre.
<SnoopJeDi>
Although I think there was some sort of theory breakthrough in the last 6 months? I didn't really bother to read it closely, but I kicked it his way for his biblio
<bofh>
SnoopJeDi: so the underlying mechanism is still Cooper pairing of electrons + phase coherence of the global wavefunction, but that's where the easy shit stops.
<SnoopJeDi>
His topic itself is all process development because OPIT for 2212 *sucks*
<egg|anbo|egg>
bofh: well I don't want to write on the walls >_>
<SnoopJeDi>
bofh, my understanding was that Cooper pairs themselves aren't involved but some analogue thereof is responsible and it Gets Complicated™ very quickly on the particulars
<bofh>
SnoopJeDi: there's been a few. are you talking about the studies into what happens near T_c and the recent discovery of bond density waves that coexist into the SC state?
<SnoopJeDi>
but approximately 100% of my knowledge of BCS/etc. is scraped together from these sorts of conversations around the lab, since I don't work on our wire fab technology at all
<SnoopJeDi>
bofh, the latter bit about bond density waves sounds vaguely familiar, but I don't really know
<SnoopJeDi>
I'm pretty happy with just knowing that it's a coherence effect and that once upon a Quantum II I was able to do the calculation in BCS theory
<bofh>
SnoopJeDi: so it's more the pairing potential must be different (it's blatantly obviously not electron/phonon interactions) and we have no clue about the phase coherence bit.
<egg|anbo|egg>
bofh: though I guess if it's a diagram on the panel it can be functional rather than show all the mess of dominoes and wires, and I can have the details on a piece of paper nearby (docs for the heater etc. tends to be stored wedged behind the pipes so it can join that)
<SnoopJeDi>
um, sorta. IIRC it was a perverted sort-of BCS that was tractable for a student in QM2
<bofh>
like is the pseudogap paired bosonic quasiparticles that fail to be coherent? possibly. that's one theory. etc.
<SnoopJeDi>
yea
<SnoopJeDi>
tbqh I don't even trust my general knowledge of bandgap theory all that far. I'm perfectly happy to admit I don't know very much at all, to allow the possibility that I might learn something
<bofh>
this gets complicated given that it turns out that the superconducting phase actually COEXISTS with at least one more partially, so it's not as simple as "there's another competing phase that dominates at a higher energy scale"
<bofh>
it's kind of a... okay, calling it a literal quasiparticle clusterfuck would not at all be inaccurate
<SnoopJeDi>
happily, his work depends in absolutely no way on the "why" since it's all process development. The most complicated we ever look at is at the grain level with micaceous flakes of BSCCO
<bofh>
Heh.
<SnoopJeDi>
the crystal certainly suggests formal clusterfuck theory
<bofh>
Yeah, that's a different problem and has its different set of ""fun"". What do y'all do for vortex pinning?
<bofh>
Or is the answer "nothing and just hope the currents we shove thru the wire aren't too high"? :P
<SnoopJeDi>
you're asking me, or pointing out the theory problem?
<SnoopJeDi>
(my flux vortex knowledge is ~0)
<SnoopJeDi>
he did point out during his talk that the motility of flux vortices is temperature dependent, which had never really dawned on me as a mechanism to drive more regions to normal-mode
<bofh>
Oh, the basic theory is that if you put enough current through an S/C then by Faraday's law of induction you get a magnetic field (okay, slightly more complex, but this isn't a bad approximation). This generates these things called Abrikosov vortices, which if there are sufficiently many, wind up causing energy losses in a way that basically is equivalent to a series resistance.
<bofh>
Yep, it is, that's why even tho YBCO superconducts at 77K (heck, up to 98K at optimum doping), all practical uses of it cool it down far below that.
<SnoopJeDi>
sure, I know enough about the operational problems to understand the stuff driven by microscale supercurrents
<SnoopJeDi>
engineering problems like snapback is all driven by that sort of thing as I understand it
<bofh>
Yep, exactly.
<SnoopJeDi>
the microscale drives strong hysteretic properties in the bulk
<bofh>
Yep.
<SnoopJeDi>
I had for some reason never seen a plot of pinning force vs B_applied
<SnoopJeDi>
really drove home the point about why cuprates are so WILDLY different
<bofh>
egg|anbo|egg: put it on a piece of paper and put the paper above the DRTC switch?
<bofh>
rofl
<bofh>
yep, I recall the first time I saw that I was like "um, okay, what."
<SnoopJeDi>
bofh, I'm a compulsive note-taker if the talk is even halfway decent so I ended up with six pages of notes, around half of which was stuff I already kinda-sorta knew
<bofh>
SnoopJeDi: that's a very good skill/compulsion to have
<SnoopJeDi>
in this case it turns out to be quite helpful: I was basically a scribe for recording questions asked to my labmate or comments on research avenues
<SnoopJeDi>
yea, I would say it's probably the only thing of much value I've actually learned in 10 years
<bofh>
like I'm not even kidding, it's crazy useful.
<SnoopJeDi>
I showed up to my very first undergrad research meeting without something to write on and my math advisor lovingly berated me about it
<SnoopJeDi>
haven't been without a dedicated notebook since. dates, titles, speaker names, and a bunch of quirks for labeling
<SnoopJeDi>
happy side-effect: I always have pen and paper nearby to record quotes like that one. Historical misc. are really my favorite part of science anyway :P
<bofh>
Indeed.
<SnoopJeDi>
"Lattice QCD lets you do amazing things!...because it's not real."
<bofh>
Like I'm about 75% of the way there but I think that inspired me to scale it up a bit.
<bofh>
LOL.
<bofh>
ACCURATE.
<SnoopJeDi>
literally the only time I've felt anywhere comfortable saying "Oh, I get LQCD"
<SnoopJeDi>
It's kind of one of my metrics for a talk being *really* bad
<SnoopJeDi>
If I only write down the title/speaker and don't fill at least half a page, their talk sucked.
<bofh>
Heh, so that for me implies piss-boring.
<SnoopJeDi>
Or it was a subject I really really do not care about, which is...a very small set.
<bofh>
Since if it's actually an awful talk I wind up writing corrections, questions and often sarcastic insults/invective instead of notes.
<egg|anbo|egg>
bofh: the DRTC switch is used by the cat to jump on the boiler
<SnoopJeDi>
bofh, worst offenders are HEP by far
<egg|anbo|egg>
bofh: that's its only use, it's not connected
<bofh>
egg|anbo|egg: so use the empty space top-left instead :P
<SnoopJeDi>
oh good, another talk about binning strate--zzzzzzzzzz
<bofh>
like I was just using it as a point of reference where to tape a piece of paper :P
<egg|anbo|egg>
ah
<bofh>
SnoopJeDi: oh god. so there's a reason snarxiv is HEP.
<SnoopJeDi>
I was thinking experimental HEP actually because 90% of those end up being "we did some statistics and I can't explain it to you but here's plots that don't make sense without it"
<SnoopJeDi>
but HEP theory is also horrible
<bofh>
Tho again, I keep meaning to make topological mad-libs for cond-mat.supr-con. Eventually I'll get around to it.
<SnoopJeDi>
"here's a Lagrangian. It's so long it doesn't fit on one page so I'm going to show you an abbreviated form on one slide and a table on another."
<SnoopJeDi>
nuke makes my head spin something fierce
<bofh>
Oh god those. Those talks are horrible, I can summarize literally all of them by ★ＯＶＥＲＦＩＴＴＩＮＧ★
<SnoopJeDi>
"Here, I made you a quilt. It's made out of tears and bullshit."
<SnoopJeDi>
bofh, are you familiar with the (perhaps apocryphal?) quote by Gell-Mann about overfitting?
<bofh>
Nope?
<SnoopJeDi>
Oh, it's Fermi, not Gell-Mann.
<bofh>
Oh, the elephant one?
<bofh>
YEP.
<SnoopJeDi>
yea, I guess I'd heard it from someone who mis-attributed it
<bofh>
!u ★
<Qboid>
U+2605 BLACK STAR (★)
<bofh>
apparently my console font is missing that, ffs
<SnoopJeDi>
I feel like at *least* the last 70 years of theory can be described as such
<SnoopJeDi>
"Why did you put this parameter in your model?"
<SnoopJeDi>
"I needed another parameter to fit."
<SnoopJeDi>
(ﾉಥ益ಥ）ﾉ ┻━┻
<SnoopJeDi>
We do a junior science academy...thing...locally, and grad students judge the papers/presentations. One kid did a neat project on some sort of laser metallurgy, studying heat deposition or somesuch (the specifics escape me)
<SnoopJeDi>
But I distinctly remember at one point he showed a SIXTH-ORDER POLYNOMIAL fit he'd done to some data
<SnoopJeDi>
and the only question I had for him after his presentation is "why in the world is that fit 6th order" and I couldn't get an answer better than "well I needed to fit the data better"
<SnoopJeDi>
bofh, I think the biggest thing I can gain with my notebook right now is to really make sure I revisit action items
* Raptop
probably needs whitequark et al to suggest a good low end android phone. >_>
<Raptop>
Uh, assuming such a thing exists.
<SnoopJeDi>
If there's a citation I want to grab for completeness's sake or whatever, I usually draw a box in the margin next to some text that will remind me about it, intending that I will check the boxes as I take care of it
<SnoopJeDi>
...my notes for the last six months have many many unchecked boxes >_>
<SnoopJeDi>
kind of the #TODO of my notebook unfortunately
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<whitequark>
Raptop: unfortunately i have a habit of only buying best-in-class tools or not buying them at all and getting by somehow else
* egg|anbo|egg
pets Raptop with a cat
<Raptop>
egg|anbo|egg: fortunately, IRC cats don't trigger my allergies! \o/
<egg|anbo|egg>
\o/
<egg|anbo|egg>
Raptop: nor do cats with eyepieces
<Raptop>
Depends on if a cat was rubbed against those cats recently.
<Raptop>
best-in-class tends to deflagrate budgets.
<Raptop>
And, well, grad student. (Albeit with larger than normal savings)
* Raptop
wishes that there were a clear Nexus successor.
<Raptop>
...and while I'm asking for ponies, an N900?
<SnoopJeDi>
your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter
* Qboid
gives Raptop a mass-driver Tillinghast sextant
<egg|anbo|egg>
!choose zzz|df
<Qboid>
egg|anbo|egg: Your options are: zzz, df. My choice: zzz
* egg|anbo|egg
zzz
<Raptop>
!wpn egg|anbo|egg
* Qboid
gives egg|anbo|egg a catadioptric hexahexaflexagon with an inverter attachment
<egg|anbo|egg>
heggsaheggsafleggsagon kitty o
<egg|anbo|egg>
s/.$/\o/o
<Qboid>
egg|anbo|egg meant to say: heggsaheggsafleggsagon kitty \o
<egg|anbo|egg>
uh
<Raptop>
Hrm. HTC 10?
<egg|anbo|egg>
Raptop: I think the nexus successor as a flagship thingy is the pixel?
<egg|anbo|egg>
haven't followed phone things very much btw
<Raptop>
Yeah. Though the last few Nexii (4, 5, 5X, though not really 6 or 6P) were often mid-range in some ways, and the Pixel not so much.
<SnoopJeDi>
yay, EFF is going to represent @mcmansionhell <3
<Raptop>
Yay.
<Raptop>
Hm. Looks like LineageOS supports the HTC 10, and I'd get back having an SDcard. (Music? Music!)
* Raptop
wants very much to avoid motorola. And in the present, LG.
<Raptop>
" *** NO LTE IN USA*** as this is the international model"
<Raptop>
Oh, come on.
<Raptop>
(US model pushes it up to ~$700)
<Raptop>
Nexus 6P -- used only.
* egg|anbo|egg
wonders whether he should zzz as he said
<egg|anbo|egg>
!choose zzz|pretend to zzz
<Qboid>
egg|anbo|egg: Your options are: zzz, pretend to zzz. My choice: pretend to zzz
<egg|anbo|egg>
;choose zzz|pretend to zzz
<kmath>
egg|anbo|egg: pretend to zzz
<egg|anbo|egg>
...
<Raptop>
The bots have spoken.
<Raptop>
☕️
<SnoopJeDi>
hey whitequark, you're into biomedical and all that...are you by happenstance familiar with entrectinib at all? Or NTRK fusion genes?
<egg|anbo|egg>
!u ️
<Qboid>
U+FE0F VARIATION SELECTOR-16 (◌️)
<Raptop>
egg|anbo|egg: stab Apple.
<egg|anbo|egg>
Raptop: why stab?
<egg|anbo|egg>
the use of VS-16 seems appropriate
<Raptop>
I assume that they arbitrarily threw on an extra codepoint or 2, and claimed it a standard so that they had something for displaying a fancier version.
<egg|anbo|egg>
Raptop: ... no that's the intended usage of VS-16
<egg|anbo|egg>
(emoji presentation, vs. VS-15 for text presentation)