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<mofh> egg|zz|egg: yeah I'm hoping that's true about the glass
<egg|zz|egg> top of the transepts has roses though
<egg|zz|egg> (though the north one seems fine?)
<egg|zz|egg> seem to be reading everything and its contrary about that glass
<B787_300> egg|zz|egg: it will probably be uncertain until tomorrow
<mofh> the North one seems to be fine according to most sources I've seen so far
<egg|zz|egg> yeah
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<egg|zz|egg> Sarbian: re. last RT, c'est Reims, pas Paris
<egg|zz|egg> Sarbian: il y a eu un tir sur une église parisienne, mais c'était Saint-Gervais https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pariser_Kanonen#Utilisation_op%C3%A9rationnelle
<galois> [WIKIPEDIA] Pariser Kanonen#Utilisation opérationnelle | "Les Pariser Kanonen (canons de Paris en français) sont sept pièces d’artillerie à très longue portée utilisées au cours de la Première Guerre mondiale par les Allemands pour bombarder Paris entre le 23 mars et le 9 août 1918. Connues sous le nom de « Grosse Bertha » par les Français (mais ce nom désigne..."
<kmath> <whitequark> core dumplings
<egg|zz|egg> sounds tasty
<egg|zz|egg> mofh: should i sleep
<mofh> egg|zz|egg: why are you asking *me* that you know my answer is always going to be "no" :p
<egg|zz|egg> mofh: okay ubt what shodld i do instead of slepping
<mofh> egg|zz|egg: deмcmc? :p
<mofh> also what the fuck keeps removing my default route out of this machine's routing table? I've killed dhclient and it's still happening every few minutes -.-
<egg|zz|egg> hm
<egg|zz|egg> mofh curses
<mofh> ?
<egg|zz|egg> mofh: well your computer systems are cursed
<mofh> ahh, right. that makes sense.
<mofh> fine, `while true; do route add default gw 192.168.1.1; sleep 300; done` it is
<egg|cell|egg> Mofh have you looked at the igs
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<mofh> nope, which mirrors do you want me to consider, again?
<egg|cell|egg> Mofh: hm
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<egg|zz|egg> have you considered ftp://cddis.gsfc.nasa.gov/gnss/products/
<egg|zz|egg> however have you considered ftp://igs.ensg.ign.fr/pub/igs/products/
<egg|zz|egg> also have you considered ftp://gssc.esa.int/gnss/products/
<egg|zz|egg> furthermore have you considered ftp://lox.ucsd.edu/pub/products/
<kmath> <whitequark> also have you considered: CATGIRLS https://t.co/NVAgpNKLfx
<egg|zz|egg> mofh: those are the IGS mirrors
<egg|zz|egg> mofh: and I'd be interested (besides the mirroring aspect) in whether there are any files in there that have EP records, or have P records that extend (non blank) past the 62nd column
<egg|zz|egg> mofh: then you have three IDS mirrors (CDDIS, IGN, ENSG) https://ids-doris.org/ids/data-products/information-data-center-organization.html
<egg|zz|egg> mofh: and then you have the ILRS, ftp://cddis.gsfc.nasa.gov/slr, ftp://edc.dgfi.tum.de/slr
<mofh> okay, that's a *lot* of mirrors
<egg|zz|egg> wait that might not be the right ones for the ILRS
<egg|zz|egg> or it might, i'm confused
<egg|zz|egg> mofh: start with the IGS i guess, it's a bit like MGEX except less EX
<mofh> also huh I don't appear to have RTed those catgirls
<mofh> anyhow, considered,
<mofh> (like honestly the real take is that I considered catgirls so much that I accidentally became one,)
<egg|zz|egg> mofh: you may have become a moth,
<whitequark> mothcatgirl
<kmath> <whitequark> #catcognition our cat caught and ate a moth, so i also caught a moth. because i'm an advanced being, i fried the moth before eating it.
<egg|zz|egg> mofh: meow
<mofh> egg|zz|egg: meow
<mofh> egg|zz|egg: I am looking at the mirrors right now, starting from CDDIS
<egg|zz|egg> mofh: TIL the communards tried burning it (but pharmacy students saved it) https://www.persee.fr/doc/pharm_0035-2349_1965_num_53_185_8919_t1_0359_0000_5
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<mofh> egg|zz|egg: wait, pharmacy students?!
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<egg|zzz|egg> mofh: from the Hôtel-Dieu
<mofh> Ohhhhhhhh that actually makes sense.
<egg|zzz|egg> mofh: are there sources for anything in that thread? the author says it's from a 10-year-old lecture on planning, 10 years is time enough to misremember things https://twitter.com/_theek_/status/1117895531563372544
<kmath> <_theek_> The fire department in Paris followed a protocol: Save the people, save the art, save the altar, save what furnitur… https://t.co/R3cHsHu2re
<mofh> egg|zzz|egg: I mean it makes sense, but yeah, point. I'll check for sources.
<egg|zzz|egg> mofh: are these oaks https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4OrAZGW4AACPwj.jpg:orig
<egg|zzz|egg> mofh: this smells like a different story https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/For%C3%AAt_de_Tron%C3%A7ais#Histoire
<galois> [WIKIPEDIA] Forêt de Tronçais#Histoire | "La forêt de Tronçais est une forêt domaniale française située dans l'Allier. Elle est principalement constituée de chênes sessiles « conduits » en futaie. En 2011, la forêt s'étendait sur près de 10 600 ha, incluant 110 hectares classés en réserves biologiques domaniales (Nantigny et la futaie Colbert..."
<egg|zzz|egg> the Colbert oaks
<egg|zzz|egg> for the masts of the navy of the next centuries
<egg|zzz|egg> (some changes happened to the way navies work, but it's hard to blame colbert for not foreseeing that,)
<mofh> egg|zzz|egg: so I can't get a clear view of the leaves to tell
<egg|zzz|egg> mofh: look at the bark
<mofh> egg|zzz|egg: the bark looks wtrong for oaks but I can't find a bigger picture of that image 
<egg|zzz|egg> !u wtrong
<galois> w: U+0077 LATIN SMALL LETTER W
<galois> t: U+0074 LATIN SMALL LETTER T
<galois> No info for U+007f (I only know about Unicode up to 9.0)
<galois> r: U+0072 LATIN SMALL LETTER R
<galois> o: U+006f LATIN SMALL LETTER O
<galois> n: U+006e LATIN SMALL LETTER N
<galois> g: U+0067 LATIN SMALL LETTER G
<egg|zzz|egg> i would say that it looks wtDELrong indeed
<mofh> Oups >_<
<egg|zzz|egg> might just be standard issue platanus sp.
<egg|zzz|egg> the spotty bark on the left looks a bit like that
<mofh> Like going by bark alone I'd guess a larch or sycamore, yeah.
<egg|zzz|egg> and also much more like what you'd see along a path like that
<egg|zzz|egg> if you do want to plan for things by planting tonnes of oaks, like Colbert, you make a forest, you don't slap them in the garden,
<egg|zzz|egg> mofh: the Colbert oaks *are* a fun story though
<mofh> And also I'd be weirded out by them cutting down trees from the Versailles gardens when there's an actual damn forest nearby in Fontainebleau
<egg|zzz|egg> mofh: like, it's perfectly sensible and very forward-thinking for Colbert in 1670 to say "the navy in a couple hundred years will need masts, probably even taller than we have now, let's plant oaks"
<egg|zzz|egg> have a forest of oaks,
<mofh> I mean it makes a lot of sense, I agree, I just somehow doubt he'd cram them in the Versailles gardens :P
<egg|zzz|egg> mofh: yup, they're in Auvergne https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/For%C3%AAt_de_Tron%C3%A7ais#Histoire
<galois> [WIKIPEDIA] Forêt de Tronçais#Histoire | "La forêt de Tronçais est une forêt domaniale française située dans l'Allier. Elle est principalement constituée de chênes sessiles « conduits » en futaie. En 2011, la forêt s'étendait sur près de 10 600 ha, incluant 110 hectares classés en réserves biologiques domaniales (Nantigny et la futaie Colbert..."
<egg|zzz|egg> because there's no bloody point in putting them next door
<mofh> Yeah I was about to say, startling amounts of the path between Paris and Lyon are really just empty space or boreal forest, shoving them somewhere there would make a lot more sense.
<mofh> I'm actually kind of surprised how much of France is forest, farmland or fairly rural if you go outside of maybe 10 or 15 cities
<mofh> https://github.com/historicalsource/restaurant holy shit there was a sequel to the Hitchhiker's Guide text adventure that never got released.
<mofh> grr why am I not in Paris already
<kmath> <incunabula> Heartening photograph taken in the last hour this morning showing at least once of the Rosaces intact (although lik… https://t.co/VVkuIKJzCn
<mofh> that looks like the... South? one I think
<kmath> https://twitter.com/incunabula/status/1118068719593381888 <incunabula> This apparently well sourced French news report in the last hour confirms: ⏎ ⏎ ALL THREE OF THE ROSACE WINDOWS SURVIVE… https://t.co/Gf6N2qLu8p
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<egg|work|egg> mofh: the great organ got no water (it's dusty and sooty obviously, but otherwise seemingly OK); the second organ (in the choir, used every day) has been drenched to preserve the stalls below https://www.europe1.fr/societe/exclusif-lorgue-principal-de-notre-dame-de-paris-miraculeusement-preserve-rien-na-brule-rien-na-fondu-3892910
<kmath> <CharltonCosima> @incunabula If those are oaks on that picture then I'm a Dutchman.
* UmbralRaptop is bad with trees. Are they ash, or something?
<egg|work|egg> plane trees perhaps
<egg|work|egg> that's the usual thing with which you line alleys
<egg|work|egg> mofh: really that whole thread seems to have little to do with reality; while the chaplain of the fire brigade got the relics out very early on, and early efforts were about getting the treasure out, they switched their focus to the structure as soon as the spire was threatened: https://www.lemonde.fr/societe/live/2019/04/16/notre-dame-de-paris-en-
<egg|work|egg> direct-apres-une-nuit-de-lutte-l-incendie-de-la-cathedrale-a-ete-maitrise_5450778_3224.html?highlight=1162916168
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<mofh> egg|work|egg: yeah, that indeed seems to be the case, and I couldn't find anything supporting any of that thread myself so I de-RTe it all
<mofh> egg|work|egg: and meh, the choir organ is easily replacable
<mofh> the grand organ being okay is a huge relief
<kmath> <GEPIsecurite> RT @ArtBen ⏎ Un des héros de l’incendie 🚒 de #Notre_dame_de_Paris : Colossus, le premier robot pompier français ! Il… https://t.co/lL5PQWnYtE
<egg|work|egg> mofh: well it will take a while to get a proper assessment of its state under the dust
<egg|work|egg> firefighting bot
<mofh> point, but if it's still mostly structurally intact then it can be fixed without affecting its musicality
<egg|work|egg> the northern belfry was scarily close apparently
<egg|work|egg> Le secrétaire d'État à l'Intérieur a salué l'action d'une vingtaine de pompiers qui sont entrés «au péril de leur vie», dans les tours de Notre-Dame, «ce qui a permis de sauver l'édifice». «Nous savons depuis ce matin que ça s'est joué à un quart d'heure, une demi-heure près.»
<egg|work|egg> (le Figaro)
<mofh> EEP
<kmath> <ClementSalviani> (Je n'arrive absolument plus à répondre à toutes mes mentions je reçois des tweets et des citations en géorgien, en… https://t.co/pyOBzsjGgY
<mofh> what the heck is "South Indo-European"? :P
<egg|work|egg> mofh: hyperbole probably :-p
<mofh> https://twitter.com/CGdrawing/status/1118081414459584513 also on a different topic rofl at this being RTed by a JP artist I follow on priv
<kmath> <CGdrawing> Eugène Galien-Laloue (1854–1941) was a French artist of French-Italian parents and was born in Paris on December 11… https://t.co/Y3ZAPSDa2b
<mofh> (Galien-Laloue has become one of my fav. artists)
<kmath> <Padre_Pio> C'est trop tôt pour essayer de détendre l'atmosphère avec des vannes sur le gothique flamboyant ?
<egg|work|egg> mofh: video of the bot at work https://twitter.com/AlexandraGzz/status/1118145276466860032
<kmath> <✔AlexandraGzz> D'autres images des @pompiersdeparis intervenant sur les flammes de #NotreDame : https://t.co/EZklrdcFwx
<egg|work|egg> (their official twitter is @PompiersParis though, no de)
<mofh> (Yeah I know, @fxcoudert RTed a few of their things yesterday)
<mofh> Also is that like globs of molten lead falling in that pic? They seem to be acting the wrong way for them to be wood embers.
<egg|work|egg> mofh: molten lead was definitely a thing that the general mentioned
<mofh> s/pic/start\ of\ video/, in the interior that is
<galois> mofh meant to say: Also is that like globs of molten lead falling in that start\ of\ video? They seem to be acting the wrong way for them to be wood embers.
<egg|work|egg> mofh: it's weird how much viollet-le-duc changed the cathedral
<UmbralRaptop> Places where someone has tried to make me a Christian now include the interior of a student union -_-
<mofh> egg|work|egg: so what you're saying is he Milkshake-le-Duc'd? :p
<mofh> (also, like, he kinda wanted to popularize tourism iirc and wasn't this after Hugo's Hunchback?)
<egg|work|egg> (mind you, there used to be a spire before 1786, but more smol)
<egg|work|egg> mofh: well, the approach to restoration was different, there wasn't a focus on reversibility and restitution of a known state
<mofh> I mean the rosette winow looks the same, as does the main structure and the towers; honestly the main difference to me looks to be the spire
<egg|work|egg> mofh: look at the top of the flying buttresse
<egg|work|egg> s/$/s/
<galois> egg|work|egg meant to say: mofh: look at the top of the flying buttresses
<mofh> Doesn't help the latter image is taken from a greater distance with trees obscuring it tho.
<mofh> ...oh wow, good eye.
<mofh> I see.
<egg|work|egg> MOAR GOTHIC
<mofh> I mean this would've been in the same century as the Haussmannian renovations, no?
<mofh> (which my hot take is I think they were a very good thing)
<egg|work|egg> Haussmann isn't so much renovation as replanning of the city
<egg|work|egg> this is a renovation, but in the way this stuff was done in the 19th century
<mofh> I mean my point was more that yeah, that time period wasn't known for an emphasis on reversibility to a previous known state.
<egg|work|egg> mofh: photo while building the spire, note the outline of the pediment https://www.photo.rmn.fr/CorexDoc/RMN/Media/TR1/AFJ2TE/12-543199.jpg
<egg|work|egg> (of the southern transept)
<mofh> Huh.
<egg|work|egg> MOAR GARGOYLES!
<mofh> Disney would be happy :P
<egg|work|egg> hm, actually these aren't gargoyles, just odd trefoil protuberances
<mofh> Aren't gargoyles mostly just stylized protuberances for the purpose of water drainage?
<egg|work|egg> well yes, but stylized like beasts
<egg|work|egg> not just simple trefoils like whatever is sticking out of that pediment
<mofh> Well, yes.
<UmbralRaptop> ☢?
<egg|work|egg> mofh: https://gigarama.ru/notredame/
<kmath> <ClementSalviani> Les pompiers ont tiré leurs lances aussi depuis l'île Saint-Louis. Ici au croisement entre rue des deux ponts et ru… https://t.co/7miQgncqZK
<mofh> oh wow
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<kmath> <✔chanutj> Incroyable! Un de nos adhérents du @GMHistoriques a retrouvé dans les décombres le coq du haut de la flèche de… https://t.co/toY1SWUNN9
<mofh> egg|zz|egg: NICE
<egg|zz|egg> UmbralRaptop: birb
<egg|zzz|egg> mofh: so apparently over the next couple of days they will be reinforcing the pediment of the northern transept and something to do with the southern belfry, which have been fragilized
<mofh> I thought it was the northern belfry that was the one that was more likely to be irreparably damaged, from what I read?
<egg|zzz|egg> mofh: so the northern belfry was on fire yesterday, and could have gone bad; but apparently there is something on the southern tower that is damaged
* UmbralRaptop stares at radvel
<egg|zz|egg> mofh: oh you can see where the rooster was on https://gigarama.ru/notredame/
<egg|zz|egg> mofh: look at the third flying buttress to the west of the north transept
<mofh> Yeah I see it.
<mofh> Heh, "flying" buttress.
<mofh> (Well, the rooster certainly went flying, at least)
<kmath> <RedMarmotte> ok apparemment l'orgue est sauvé et franchement pour le délire gothique je pense qu'on se doit d'organiser un conce… https://t.co/jAvrC0qQJJ
<mofh> (I need to learn piano / organ faster now I guess, lol).
<egg|zz|egg> mofh: i'm pretty sure the ACMHs et al. will have other opinions,
<egg|zz|egg> mofh: how are the IGS mirrors
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<egg|zz|egg> mofh: should i sleep
<UmbralRaptop> !8 Should egg sleep?
<galois> UmbralRaptop: yes
<egg|zz|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptop
* galois gives UmbralRaptop a dull spear
<UmbralRaptop> This can be fixed
<egg|zz|egg> !wpn mofh
* galois gives mofh a foil
<egg|zz|egg> mofh: order for reinforcing beams https://twitter.com/ClementSalviani/status/1118274197602689024
<kmath> <ClementSalviani> Notre-Dame de Paris: une entreprise belge spécialisée dans la charpente réquisitionnée d'urgence via @NACREspirale… https://t.co/vdsVNkDhIE
<mofh> egg|zz|egg: the IGS mirrors are going slowly (I'm having to work on a talk poster that needs to be done by Thursday so I prolly will be even worse at attention until then).
<mofh> this being That Week isn't helping much, too.
<UmbralRaptop> aaaaaaaa
<UmbralRaptop> Good luck, and LaTeX, or PowerPoint?
<egg|zz|egg> La société a été réquisitionnée d'urgence par un coup de téléphone à 14h00 d'un opérateur parisien, afin de livrer [...] 10 poutres de 20 mètres sur 1m20, qui serviront à consolider la structure restante de la cathédrale, "pour éviter que la situation ne s'aggrave" [...] arrivée prévue à Paris aux environs de 4h00 ou 5h00 du matin mercredi.
<egg|zz|egg> that's *fast*
<egg|zz|egg> mofh: That Week?
<kmath> <ClementSalviani> Quelques images encore via Le Soir et AFP https://t.co/DKHHF8vLKL
<mofh> UmbralRaptop: LaTeX
<mofh> egg|zz|egg: also YEAH that's fast wtf
<UmbralRaptop> eggcellent
<egg|zz|egg> mofh: that's very much an emergency, they don't want the pediments collapsing
<mofh> Fair, that makes a lot of sense.
<egg|zz|egg> but yes, same-day delivery of 20 m-by-1,20 m beams from abroad,
<mofh> And yeah I can see structural issues being likely if they don't do something to reinforce the pediments ASAP
<egg|zz|egg> In principle because pediments aren't meant to just sit like that, but also apparently the northern one was weakened
<egg|zz|egg> as well as something between the western one and the southern belfry
<egg|zzz|egg> mofh: have you made soufflé since last year btw
<mofh> egg|zzz|egg: good point, I really need to (I have not yet for what it's worth).
<egg|zzz|egg> mofh: should i sleep
<kmath> <LettreMusicien> Vincent Dubois : "Le grand orgue de Notre-Dame de Paris est un miraculé" ⏎ L'organiste, qui partage la tribune de la… https://t.co/d4DCGYAeJ8
<mofh> egg|zz|egg: OH HECK YES
* egg|zz|egg stares at deмцμχ failing to get residuals below 48ish m, even when given initial velocity to play with
<egg|zz|egg> !choose sleep|give it three more degrees of freedom to fit the elephant|something else
<galois> egg|zz|egg: Your options: sleep, give it three more degrees of freedom to fit the elephant, something else. My choice: sleep
* egg|zz|egg meows at mofh
<egg|zz|egg> mofh: and, as eggspeggted: https://twitter.com/kayaburgess/status/1118188023315824640
<kmath> <✔kayaburgess> FACT-CHECK: 'Oak trees were specially planted at Versailles in 19th century to restore Notre Dame's wooden frame i… https://t.co/fPtRGNCDe9
<mofh> finally
<egg|zz|egg> mofh: I think it's just the thread author confusing the (real, and massive) plan of the Colbert oaks with something else
<mofh> egg|zz|egg: yeah, that makes perfect sense
<mofh> pretty sure I agree
<egg|zz|egg> mofh: otoh, the country *is* well-equipped if it needs to start mass-producing ships of the line again,
<kmath> <every_lesbian> superconducting lesbian
<kmath> <✔MatthewWells> @jimwaterson @kayaburgess I fear this is where it all began https://t.co/si2SSOB3Z3
<mofh> egg|zz|egg: ROFL
<mofh> CACKLING
<egg|zz|egg> mofh: wait, which thing are you rofling at,
<mofh> egg|zz|egg: https://twitter.com/GeneralBoles/status/1118175550030397442 the "oaks" are ready,
<kmath> <GeneralBoles> If you ever doubt that France is the home of Civilisation: ⏎ The beams in the roof of Notre Dame were replaced 160 ye… https://t.co/fbARkKI0I8
<egg|zz|egg> mofh: yes
<egg|zz|egg> mofh: them's good oaks
<mofh> they're good oaks, mott
<kmath> <every_lesbian> lesbian organ
<kmath> <every_lesbian> organist lesbian
<kmath> <every_lesbian> lesbian quarries
<mofh> egg|zz|egg: speaking of which, when are you planning to spend a few days in Paris again?
<egg|zz|egg> no plans atm