raptop changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> egg|nomz|egg: generally if your eyes are dewing over, that's not the weather. | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer. | We can haz pdf
<egg>
also balle is slang for franc (the currency)
<egg>
apparently changed meaning to EUR now to an eggstent
<mofh>
whereas 'boule' is that weird activity they play in dirt fields by the Seine in Paris
<egg>
yes i mentioned that meaning
<mofh>
(seriously how the hell do those people get up at 7AM on a *Sunday* to play that? >_<)
<mofh>
(like it wasn't even that uncommon for me to see that)
<whitequark>
what
<egg>
whitequark: throwing metal balls at a smol wooden ball
<egg>
mofh: so when that's done I will have the same question for the rest of the IGS, and for the IDS and ILRS then, because they too are mirorred between the same silly people
<mofh>
I should just setup mass-grabs for those after ENSG and then write a script to auto-compare and print inconsistencies\
<mofh>
to automate this mirror analysis
<egg>
mofh: also spam the MGEX mailing list (and probably the IGS mailing list directly, the MGEX mailing list is full of crickets)
<mofh>
egg: I was about to ask, should I poke the mailing list or should you,
<egg>
you are probably better at talking to mailing lists of academics
<egg>
at some point I will have to track down the people who produce broken SP3 and mail them
<egg>
mofh: no, it's just the one i mentinoed above
<egg>
but now I it's my parser coming across it, not just me thinking it's fishy that it declares 110 satellites when column 2 of line 1 says c
<egg>
mofh: it seems that this is the dialect used by SHAO and WHU, the other ones are either clean C or D
<egg>
mofh: and this dialect is not exactly d declared as c
<egg>
mofh: It could be interpreted as such, but it has blank satellite designator lines beyond the fifth, which is a silly thing to do in d
<egg>
mofh: it's c amended to 10 lines of satellite designators
<egg>
mofh: i.e. extended incompatibly to at most 170 satellites
<egg>
mofh: now, what do i call that dialect
<egg>
ChineseMGEX?
<mofh>
Sure, might as well.
<egg>
mofh: this is basically exactly the same situation as with SP3-b
<egg>
SP3-b was created for IGEX
<egg>
and initially ACs winged it while it was standardized, and in particular MCC produced valid SP3-b with the version designator a
<egg>
(ESOC produced invalid SP3-b with the version designator b because putting the A2 in the right column is hard but that's another question)
<egg>
mofh: eventually MCC woke up, and here WHU seems to be waking up; in week 2017, the WHU ULA files are proper d
<mofh>
rofl
<mofh>
so it seems SP3 incompatibility is, like, a common thing
<egg>
well, especially in experimental programs that need eggstensions
<egg>
IGEX, MGEX, same thing
<egg>
mofh: transient dialects like that are understandable
<egg>
genuine brokenness, like ILRSB misaligning its fields, ILRSA missing the EOF marker, IDS GRGS using m/s instead of dm/s, ESOC putting fields in the wrong columns, otoh, is just shitty
<galois>
[WIKIPEDIA] Cantillation | "Cantillation is the ritual chanting of readings from the Hebrew Bible in synagogue services. The chants are written and notated in accordance with the special signs or marks printed in the Masoretic text of the Hebrew Bible (or Tanakh) to complement the letters and vowel points.These marks are known..."
<mofh>
what are you reading in Biblical Hebrew, anyhow?
<egg>
mofh: git checkout -b בָּלַל
<egg>
seems like the appropriate branch name here
<mofh>
"It's a disgrace" is what google translate parses it as
<galois>
[WIKIPEDIA] Tower of Babel#Etymology | "The Tower of Babel (Hebrew: מִגְדַּל בָּבֶל, Migdal Bavel) as told in Genesis 11:1–9 is an origin myth meant to explain why the world's peoples speak different languages.According to the story, a united humanity in the generations following the Great Flood, speaking a single language and migrating eastward..."
<mofh>
Ahh. Right, I cannot Hebrew.
<mofh>
Yeah, that's the appropriate branch name, agreed.
<egg>
"Sur quoi, il crie son nom: Babèl, oui, là, IHVH-Adonaï a mêlé la lèvre de toute la terre,"
<mofh>
Heh.
<egg>
mofh: in print, the Adonaï is set in small type above the IHVH, to try to get an effect similar to the diacritics on יהוה distinguishing between Adonai and Elohim
<mofh>
...Ahh.
<egg>
mofh: it really an *eggstremely close to the text* transation
<egg>
s/sation/slation/ or something
<galois>
egg meant to say: mofh: it really an *eggstremely close to the text* translation
<mofh>
Huh, I wonder why those are so big, clock parameters generally should be smol.
* mofh
shrugs
<mofh>
Might as well do a comprehensive analysis at this point
<egg>
mofh: ... actually once that's done it might be useful to index them in some fashion and serve them over HTTPS rather than FTP
<egg>
(index their contents that is)
<egg>
CDDIS?
<galois>
CDDIS: Crustal Dynamics Data Information System
<mofh>
egg: I mean autogenerated indexes would suffice?
<mofh>
egg: but also yes, I'd be really tempted into trying to rope some party into running a mirror.
<egg>
mofh: well, things like which satellites are in which files, etc.
<mofh>
Oh, that would straight-up be useful, since these directories are cryptic as shit.
<egg>
mofh: well, they're just chronologic
<egg>
mofh: basically compile principia on that one workstation that will accept its dialect of Formularum Tranſlator 1726, and run all the files through that, adding SP3 dialects as you go :-p
<egg>
(actually there's additional metadata that Principia drops, but its parser is a start)
<egg>
for that kind of index you would want to record the reference frame, the time system, the orbit kind, etc.
<kmath>
<whitequark> @GretchenAMcC 1) All the documentation is in English. ⏎ 2) When naming a variable, I can only use ASCII, so I had to… https://t.co/ceSUyQrP2J
<egg|work|egg>
whitequark: I didn't have 2 (Ada 95 supported Latin-1, which is good enough for French aside from oe), and was largely unaffected by 3 (my parents were the only people I knew who knew about programming anyway)
<egg|work|egg>
whitequark: for 1, I had a translation of Barnes's Programming in Ada 95, but the compiler errors were a problem
<egg|work|egg>
whitequark: https://twitter.com/whitequark/status/1115304427966095361 the keywords weren't a problem for me, but en is fairly close to fr, esp. on technical terminology; I wonder whether that would have been trickier with ru keywords
<kmath>
<whitequark> @GretchenAMcC I did that, and English keywords weren't a problem at all. "void" has a very specific meaning in C++… https://t.co/2JK4RnBsez
<whitequark>
the books i used were translations
<whitequark>
but i didn't have a book on c++
<whitequark>
those were API guides
<whitequark>
actually i don't think i've ever read a book on c++
<egg|work|egg>
neither have I
<egg|work|egg>
few books on a language are good tbh
<egg|work|egg>
(I would recommend Barnes's fwiw)
<egg|work|egg>
whitequark: a more interesting thing than the keywords is the standard library
<egg|work|egg>
in Ada 95 there wasn't much of one, so you ended up writing your own containers fairly quickly (thus if I call my stack type Pile it's not an issue), it might be more cumbersome if the standard library identifiers come up everywhere
<egg|work|egg>
mofh: MGEX!
<egg|work|egg>
mofh: also read your chat
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<UmbralRaptor>
SnoopJeDi: wait, a brightness temperature measured in gigakelvin?
<SnoopJeDi>
who would win: 55 million light-years of dust, atmospheric scattering, and other pathology, or one ultrarelativistic boi
<UmbralRaptor>
ultrarelativistic MHD™
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<_whitenotifier-3d18>
[Principia] eggrobin opened issue #2129: Update the TRAPPIST-1 patch for SLIPPIST-1 0.7.0 - https://git.io/fjqnv
<UmbralRaptor>
"These two parameters allow us to describe accretion disks that are either prograde (a* ≥ 0) or retrograde (a* < 0) with respect to the black hole spin axis, and whose accretion flows are either "SANE" (from "Standard and Normal Evolution," Narayan et al. 2012) with ~ 1, or "MAD" (from "Magnetically Arrested Disk," Narayan et al. 2003) with ~ 15.146"
<egg>
MaDCoWS?
<galois>
MaDCoWS: Massive and Distant Clusters of WISE Survey
<_whitenotifier-3d18>
[Principia] eggrobin opened pull request #2130: 巴別 - https://git.io/fjqCe
<egg>
!seen mofh
<galois>
egg: I last saw mofh at 2019-04-10 - 03:31:41 in here, saying 1878/2048
<SnoopJeDi>
egg, hah, just saw that whiff on the URL. rekt, galois
<_whitenotifier-3d18>
[Principia] pleroy opened pull request #2131: Fix null pointer exception in the flight plan and avoid UI flickering - https://git.io/fjqW4
<mofh>
egg|work|egg: yes yes: 1) it only JUST finished downloading from ENSG, like it's 33GB of data if we take IGN as authoritative, and we're downloading it off an Apple ][, remember? 2) I've had multiple meetings, a lecture *and* a talk today, I've been running around all day and only just now got more than 5 minutes free. :P
<_whitenotifier-3d18>
[Principia] eggrobin af5408e - new dialect
<_whitenotifier-3d18>
[Principia] ... and 3 more commits.
<egg>
mofh: also how is that pull request name ^
<egg>
(that's from the בלל branch)
<mofh>
Oh, so *that's* how you write "Babel" in hanzi.
<mofh>
23:52:43 <@egg> mofh: wait why are you seding things
<mofh>
they're mirrors, they sync at different times. so even tho the filenames and file sizes are identical, the fact that the file creation times are off by a day means they're erroneously being marked as different by my incredibly lazy diff script, so I have to cut the ctime out of that.