raptop changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> egg|nomz|egg: generally if your eyes are dewing over, that's not the weather. | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer. | We can haz pdf
<egg> also balle is slang for franc (the currency)
<egg> apparently changed meaning to EUR now to an eggstent
<mofh> whereas 'boule' is that weird activity they play in dirt fields by the Seine in Paris
<egg> yes i mentioned that meaning
<mofh> (seriously how the hell do those people get up at 7AM on a *Sunday* to play that? >_<)
<mofh> (like it wasn't even that uncommon for me to see that)
<whitequark> what
<egg> whitequark: throwing metal balls at a smol wooden ball
<whitequark> what
<mofh> basically, the FR equivalent of bocce ball
<kmath> YouTube - FINALE CHAMPIONNAT DU MONDE DE PETANQUE 2012
<whitequark> what are you trying to achieve
<whitequark> in that game
<egg> whitequark: get the metal ball you throw close to the target smol ball
<egg> whitequark: by throwing balls, you can displace the smol ball, or the metal balls of others, which makes things interesting
<whitequark> for some values of interesting
<egg> well yes
<egg> nontrivial
<egg> as in it's not just get your ball as close as possible
<egg> mofh: how goes the mgex
<mofh> egg: ensg is now at 1.1G, still going
<egg> mofh: and CDDIS?
<mofh> I'm just going to compare .listings for that since I know it's incomplete
<mofh> which, sec, that should be done
<egg> AIUB?
<galois> AIUB: Astronomical Institute of the University of Bern
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* UmbralRaptop was about to ask questions, but I think I know more people at University of Geneva
<mofh> egg: wow, CDDIS appears to be running on an Apple ][ as well >_>
<egg> mofh: at least it is not currently shut down
<egg> which is little help if it improperly mirrors,
<mofh> egg: ensg seems to have random gaps in pretty much every dir from 2001 onto 2048, as well as missing 1677, 1678 and 1679
<mofh> still fetching contents, it's slow
<egg> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
<mofh> I have all of IGN, should I setup my own mirror,
<kmath> <dasharez0ne> SORRY - https://t.co/Qtp3PuUDXE ADMIN https://t.co/BTBcpJIlV4
<egg> mofh: so when that's done I will have the same question for the rest of the IGS, and for the IDS and ILRS then, because they too are mirorred between the same silly people
<mofh> I should just setup mass-grabs for those after ENSG and then write a script to auto-compare and print inconsistencies\
<mofh> to automate this mirror analysis
<egg> mofh: also spam the MGEX mailing list (and probably the IGS mailing list directly, the MGEX mailing list is full of crickets)
<mofh> egg: I was about to ask, should I poke the mailing list or should you,
<egg> you are probably better at talking to mailing lists of academics
<egg> at some point I will have to track down the people who produce broken SP3 and mail them
<egg> but unreplicated data seems more urgent
<mofh> True.
<egg> whitequark: what if https://twitter.com/jonathanpalozzi/status/1115636611507720192 but antennapedia
<kmath> <jonathanpalozzi> @katherinespack I see your leggy mouse and raise you a leggy drosophila https://t.co/u2nLXODD49
<mofh> ahh yes, I keep forgetting about Antennapedia
<mofh> Should @ @Biology_Names about that gene
<egg> mofh: see, the WHU files are nonconformant:
<egg> F0410 03:28:40.820292 13700 standard_product_3.cpp:208] exactly 5 +␣ records expected in SP3-c: C:\Users\robin\Projects\mockingbirdnest\Principia\astronomy\standard_product_3\WUM0MGXFIN_20190270000_01D_15M_ORB.SP3 line 13: ++ 3 3 3 3 3 4 3 4 3 3 3 3 4 3 4 4 3
<egg> time for a new dialect,
<kmath> <worddroppings> Flop. ⏎ #cats #tabbycat #finnthemoose https://t.co/ywqQKU3ZuX
<mofh> egg: ...ANOTHER ONE?
<egg> mofh: no, it's just the one i mentinoed above
<egg> but now I it's my parser coming across it, not just me thinking it's fishy that it declares 110 satellites when column 2 of line 1 says c
<egg> mofh: it seems that this is the dialect used by SHAO and WHU, the other ones are either clean C or D
<egg> mofh: and this dialect is not exactly d declared as c
<egg> mofh: It could be interpreted as such, but it has blank satellite designator lines beyond the fifth, which is a silly thing to do in d
<egg> mofh: it's c amended to 10 lines of satellite designators
<egg> mofh: i.e. extended incompatibly to at most 170 satellites
<egg> mofh: now, what do i call that dialect
<egg> ChineseMGEX?
<mofh> Sure, might as well.
<egg> mofh: this is basically exactly the same situation as with SP3-b
<egg> SP3-b was created for IGEX
<egg> and initially ACs winged it while it was standardized, and in particular MCC produced valid SP3-b with the version designator a
<egg> (ESOC produced invalid SP3-b with the version designator b because putting the A2 in the right column is hard but that's another question)
<egg> mofh: eventually MCC woke up, and here WHU seems to be waking up; in week 2017, the WHU ULA files are proper d
<mofh> rofl
<mofh> so it seems SP3 incompatibility is, like, a common thing
<egg> well, especially in experimental programs that need eggstensions
<egg> IGEX, MGEX, same thing
<egg> mofh: transient dialects like that are understandable
<egg> genuine brokenness, like ILRSB misaligning its fields, ILRSA missing the EOF marker, IDS GRGS using m/s instead of dm/s, ESOC putting fields in the wrong columns, otoh, is just shitty
<mofh> I mean why is it dm/s IN THE FIRST PLACE
<mofh> that is, like, the stupidest unit
<whitequark> dm/s?!
<egg> dm/s.
<SnoopJeDi> sliding into the dm/s
* egg pets whitequark with a decimetre
<egg> !u בָּלַ֥ל
<galois> ב: U+05d1 HEBREW LETTER BET
<galois> ָ: U+05b8 HEBREW POINT QAMATS
<galois> ּ: U+05bc HEBREW POINT DAGESH OR MAPIQ
<galois> ל: U+05dc HEBREW LETTER LAMED
<galois> ַ: U+05b7 HEBREW POINT PATAH
<galois> ֥: U+05a5 HEBREW ACCENT MERKHA
<galois> ל: U+05dc HEBREW LETTER LAMED
<egg> !u בָּלַל
<galois> ב: U+05d1 HEBREW LETTER BET
<galois> ָ: U+05b8 HEBREW POINT QAMATS
<galois> ּ: U+05bc HEBREW POINT DAGESH OR MAPIQ
<galois> ל: U+05dc HEBREW LETTER LAMED
<galois> ַ: U+05b7 HEBREW POINT PATAH
<galois> ל: U+05dc HEBREW LETTER LAMED
* egg stares at the hebrew accent
<galois> [WIKIPEDIA] Cantillation | "Cantillation is the ritual chanting of readings from the Hebrew Bible in synagogue services. The chants are written and notated in accordance with the special signs or marks printed in the Masoretic text of the Hebrew Bible (or Tanakh) to complement the letters and vowel points.These marks are known..."
<mofh> what are you reading in Biblical Hebrew, anyhow?
<egg> mofh: git checkout -b בָּלַל
<egg> seems like the appropriate branch name here
<mofh> "It's a disgrace" is what google translate parses it as
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<galois> [WIKIPEDIA] Tower of Babel#Etymology | "The Tower of Babel (Hebrew: מִגְדַּל בָּבֶל‎, Migdal Bavel) as told in Genesis 11:1–9 is an origin myth meant to explain why the world's peoples speak different languages.According to the story, a united humanity in the generations following the Great Flood, speaking a single language and migrating eastward..."
<mofh> Ahh. Right, I cannot Hebrew.
<mofh> Yeah, that's the appropriate branch name, agreed.
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<egg> mofh: alternatively בָּבֶל
<mofh> Huh.
<egg> !choose בָּלַל|בָּבֶל
<galois> egg: Your options: בָּלַל, בָּבֶל. My choice: בָּבֶל
<mofh> so Beth vs. Lamed?
<egg> mofh: both words are present in the snippet here https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%9E%D7%92%D7%93%D7%9C_%D7%91%D7%91%D7%9C#%D7%94%D7%A1%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%95%D7%A8_%D7%94%D7%9E%D7%A7%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%99
<galois> [WIKIPEDIA] מגדל בבל#הסיפור המקר×�×™ | "מִגְדַּל בָּבֶל ×�ו מעשה דור הפַּלָּגָה הו×� סיפור מקר×�×™ המופיע בסוף פרשת × ×— שבספר בר×�שית, ל×�חר סיפור המבול. לפי המסופר, בשחר ×”×�נושות התיישבו בני ×”×�ד×� ב×�רץ שנער (דרו×� מזרח מסופוטמיה), ובעזרת טכניקה של בנייה בלבני×� צ×
<mofh> Unfortunately I cannot into Biblical Hebrew so I am likely missing conteggst needed to differentiate meaningfully between the two words :p
<egg> mofh: well, the whole thing is a pun
<egg> mofh: the pun only works in hebrew (or in aramaic probably)
<egg> and is explicit in the text
<egg> it is called babel because there IHVH-adonai confused things
<egg> mofh: cannot into he either but going by the chouraqi translation which is painfully literal http://nachouraqui.tripod.com/id83.htm
<mofh> *bookmarks*
<egg> "Sur quoi, il crie son nom: Babèl, oui, là, IHVH-Adonaï a mêlé la lèvre de toute la terre,"
<mofh> Heh.
<egg> mofh: in print, the Adonaï is set in small type above the IHVH, to try to get an effect similar to the diacritics on יהוה distinguishing between Adonai and Elohim
<mofh> ...Ahh.
<egg> mofh: it really an *eggstremely close to the text* transation
<egg> s/sation/slation/ or something
<galois> egg meant to say: mofh: it really an *eggstremely close to the text* translation
<egg> mofh: the levitic is called "he shouts" http://nachouraqui.tripod.com/id85.htm
<egg> mofh: I wonder where that dm/s originated
<egg> maybe it's inherited from sp-2 or 1?
<egg> mofh: anyway
<egg> mofh: how goes the mirror analysis
<mofh> 02:34:43 <@egg> mofh: I wonder where that dm/s originated
<mofh> 02:34:53 <@egg> maybe it's inherited from sp-2 or 1?
<mofh> in which case why would *they* use it? like I've never seen dm/s used for velocity elsewhere
<mofh> 02:35:13 <@egg> mofh: how goes the mirror analysis
<mofh> look, downloading off an Apple ][ takes awhile (it's at 1835)
<egg> mofh: fixed point?
<mofh> like the .clk files are huge
<egg> yeah
<mofh> compared to the .sp3 ones
<mofh> what even *are* they?
<egg> some clocky thing i suppose
<egg> CLK: receiver and/or satellite clock parameters
<mofh> Huh, I wonder why those are so big, clock parameters generally should be smol.
* mofh shrugs
<mofh> Might as well do a comprehensive analysis at this point
<egg> mofh: ... actually once that's done it might be useful to index them in some fashion and serve them over HTTPS rather than FTP
<egg> (index their contents that is)
<egg> CDDIS?
<galois> CDDIS: Crustal Dynamics Data Information System
<mofh> egg: I mean autogenerated indexes would suffice?
<mofh> egg: but also yes, I'd be really tempted into trying to rope some party into running a mirror.
<egg> mofh: well, things like which satellites are in which files, etc.
<mofh> Oh, that would straight-up be useful, since these directories are cryptic as shit.
<egg> mofh: well, they're just chronologic
<egg> mofh: basically compile principia on that one workstation that will accept its dialect of Formularum Tranſlator 1726, and run all the files through that, adding SP3 dialects as you go :-p
<egg> (actually there's additional metadata that Principia drops, but its parser is a start)
<egg> for that kind of index you would want to record the reference frame, the time system, the orbit kind, etc.
<egg> SHAO?
<galois> SHAO: SHanghai Astronomical Observatory (上海天文台)
<egg> WHU?
<galois> WHU: WuHan University (武汉大学)
<egg> mofh: so how are those mgex files
<mofh> 1878/2048
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<egg> mofh: mgex?
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<kmath> YouTube - National Science Foundation/Event Horizon Telescope press conference
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<egg|work|egg> mofh: meow
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:CGRO Compton Gamma Ray Observatory
<galois> Definition added!
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:AXAF Advanced X-ray Astrophysics Facility
<galois> Acronym already defined! Try !acr -redef:WTF When Taylor Fails
<egg|work|egg> AXAF?
<galois> AXAF: Advanced X-ray Astrophysics Facility (became Chandra)
<egg|work|egg> HST?
<galois> HST: Hubble Space Telescope
<egg|work|egg> SST?
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:SST Spitzer Space Telescope
<galois> Definition added!
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:HEAO High Energy Astrophysics Observatory
<galois> Definition added!
<egg|work|egg> UmbralRaptor: is HETE High-Energy Transient Explorer or High-Energy Transient Experiment
<egg|work|egg> both seem to eggsist in the literature O_o
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:HETE High-Energy Transient Experiment | High-Energy Transient Explorer
<galois> Definition added!
<egg|work|egg> NAGU?
<galois> NAGU: Notice Advisory to Galileo Users | Notice Advisory to GLONASS Users
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:INTEGRAL INTErnational Gamma-Ray Astrophysics Laboratory
<galois> Acronym already defined! Try !acr -redef:WTF When Taylor Fails
<egg|work|egg> INTEGRAL?
<galois> INTEGRAL: INTernational Gamma-Ray Astrophysics Laboratory
<egg|work|egg> INTGRAL
<egg|work|egg> !acr -redef:INTEGRAL INTErnational Gamma-Ray Astrophysics Laboratory
<galois> Definition added!
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:ROSAT RÖntgenSATellit
<galois> Acronym already defined! Try !acr -redef:WTF When Taylor Fails
<egg|work|egg> ROSAT?
<galois> ROSAT: RÖntgenSATellit
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:SAX Satellite per Astronomia a raggi X
<galois> Definition added!
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:RXTE Rossi X-ray Timing Explorer
<galois> Definition added!
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:XTE X-ray Timing Explorer
<galois> Definition added!
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:RHESSI Reuven Ramaty HESSI
<galois> Definition added!
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:HESSI High Energy Solar Spectroscopic Imager
<galois> ...
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:NuSTAR Nuclear Spectroscopic Telescope ARray
<galois> Acronym already defined! Try !acr -redef:WTF When Taylor Fails
<egg|work|egg> NuSTAR?
<galois> NuSTAR: Nuclear Spectroscopic Telescope ARray
<egg|work|egg> SMEX?
<galois> SMEX: Small Mission EXplorer (NASA program for developing smaller/cheaper spacecraft/science missions)
<egg|work|egg> GEMS?
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:GEMS Gravity and Extreme Magnetism SMEX
<galois> Definition added!
<egg|work|egg> OAO?
<galois> OAO: Orbiting Astronomical Observatory
<egg|work|egg> EUVE?
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:EUVE Extreme UltraViolet Explorer
<galois> Definition added!
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:FUSE Far Ultraviolet Spectroscopic Explorer
<galois> Definition added!
<egg|work|egg> GALEX?
<galois> GALEX: GALaxy Evolution eXplorer (UV space telescope)
<egg|work|egg> CXO?
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:CXO Chandra X-ray Observatory
<galois> Definition added!
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:XMM X-ray Multi-Mirror
<galois> Definition added!
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:Hipparcos HIgh Precision PARallax COllecting Satellite
<galois> ...
<egg|work|egg> HIPPARCOS?
* egg|work|egg wonders about case
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:Gaia Global Astrometric Interferometer for Astrophysics
<galois> Definition added!
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:SIM Space Interferometry Mission
<galois> ...
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:COBE COsmic Background Explorer
<galois> Acronym already defined! Try !acr -redef:WTF When Taylor Fails
<egg|work|egg> COBE?
<galois> COBE: COsmic Background Explorer
<egg|work|egg> IRAS?
<galois> IRAS: InfraRed Astronomical Satellite
<egg|work|egg> WIRE?
<egg|work|egg> WISE?
<galois> WISE: Widefield Infrared Survey Explorer
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:ISO Infrared Space Observatory
<galois> Definition added!
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:WIRE Wide-field InfraRed Explorer
<galois> Definition added!
<egg|work|egg> HSO?
<egg|work|egg> FIRST?
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:FIRST Far InfraRed and Submillimetre Telescope
<galois> Definition added!
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:HSO Herschel Space Observatory
<galois> Definition added!
<egg|work|egg> WMAP?
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:WMAP Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe
<galois> Definition added!
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:COBRAS Cosmic Background Radiation Anisotropy Satellite
<galois> ...
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:SAMBA Satellite for Measurement of Background Anisotropies
<galois> ...
<egg|work|egg> pretty much.
<UmbralRaptor> !acr -add:GMRT Giant Metrewave Radio Telescope
<galois> Definition added!
<egg|work|egg> FAST?
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:FAST Five-hundred-meter Aperture Spherical radio Telescope
<galois> Definition added!
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<egg|work|egg> UmbralRaptor: have there been any interesting observations from FAST/
<egg|work|egg> s/\//?/
<galois> egg|work|egg meant to say: UmbralRaptor: have there been any interesting observations from FAST?
<UmbralRaptor> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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<egg|work|egg> The telescope had discovered 44 new pulsars by September, 2018.[10][11][12]
<egg|work|egg> !ACR -ADD:SAFIR Single Aperture Far-InfraRed
<galois> Definition added!
<SnoopJeDi> UmbralRaptor, yay for EHT \o/
<egg|work|egg> mofh: mgex
<egg|work|egg> VSOP?
<galois> VSOP: Variations Séculaires des Orbites Planétaires
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:ACRIMSAT Active Cavity Radiometer Irradiance Monitor Satellite
<galois> Definition added!
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:ИЗМИРАН Институт Земного Магнетизма, Ионосферы и распространения радиоволн имени Н. В. Пушкова РАН
<galois> Definition added!
<egg|work|egg> РАН?
<galois> РАН: Российской Академии Наук
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:CORONAS Complex ORbital Near Earth Solar Activities
<galois> ...
<egg|work|egg> STEREO?
<galois> STEREO: Solar TErrestrial RElations Observatory
<egg|work|egg> CoRoT?
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:CoRoT COnvection, ROtation et Transits planétaires
<galois> Definition added!
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:MOST Microvariability and Oscillations of STars
<galois> Definition added!
<kmath> <whitequark> @GretchenAMcC 1) All the documentation is in English. ⏎ 2) When naming a variable, I can only use ASCII, so I had to… https://t.co/ceSUyQrP2J
<egg|work|egg> whitequark: I didn't have 2 (Ada 95 supported Latin-1, which is good enough for French aside from oe), and was largely unaffected by 3 (my parents were the only people I knew who knew about programming anyway)
<egg|work|egg> whitequark: for 1, I had a translation of Barnes's Programming in Ada 95, but the compiler errors were a problem
<egg|work|egg> whitequark: https://twitter.com/whitequark/status/1115304427966095361 the keywords weren't a problem for me, but en is fairly close to fr, esp. on technical terminology; I wonder whether that would have been trickier with ru keywords
<kmath> <whitequark> @GretchenAMcC I did that, and English keywords weren't a problem at all. "void" has a very specific meaning in C++… https://t.co/2JK4RnBsez
<whitequark> the books i used were translations
<whitequark> but i didn't have a book on c++
<whitequark> those were API guides
<whitequark> actually i don't think i've ever read a book on c++
<egg|work|egg> neither have I
<egg|work|egg> few books on a language are good tbh
<egg|work|egg> (I would recommend Barnes's fwiw)
<egg|work|egg> whitequark: a more interesting thing than the keywords is the standard library
<egg|work|egg> in Ada 95 there wasn't much of one, so you ended up writing your own containers fairly quickly (thus if I call my stack type Pile it's not an issue), it might be more cumbersome if the standard library identifiers come up everywhere
<egg|work|egg> mofh: MGEX!
<egg|work|egg> mofh: also read your chat
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<UmbralRaptor> SnoopJeDi: wait, a brightness temperature measured in gigakelvin?
<SnoopJeDi> who would win: 55 million light-years of dust, atmospheric scattering, and other pathology, or one ultrarelativistic boi
<UmbralRaptor> ultrarelativistic MHD™
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<_whitenotifier-3d18> [Principia] eggrobin opened issue #2129: Update the TRAPPIST-1 patch for SLIPPIST-1 0.7.0 - https://git.io/fjqnv
<kmath> <NAOJ_ALMA_en> Enjoy our Event Horizon Telecope Comic! (1/2) ⏎ #RealBlackHole #EHTBlackHole https://t.co/oHuVZmOzK7
<UmbralRaptor> "These two parameters allow us to describe accretion disks that are either prograde (a* ≥ 0) or retrograde (a* < 0) with respect to the black hole spin axis, and whose accretion flows are either "SANE" (from "Standard and Normal Evolution," Narayan et al. 2012) with  ~ 1, or "MAD" (from "Magnetically Arrested Disk," Narayan et al. 2003) with  ~ 15.146"
<egg> MaDCoWS?
<galois> MaDCoWS: Massive and Distant Clusters of WISE Survey
<_whitenotifier-3d18> [Principia] eggrobin opened pull request #2130: 巴別 - https://git.io/fjqCe
<egg> !seen mofh
<galois> egg: I last saw mofh at 2019-04-10 - 03:31:41 in here, saying 1878/2048
<SnoopJeDi> egg, hah, just saw that whiff on the URL. rekt, galois
<_whitenotifier-3d18> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #2131: Fix null pointer exception in the flight plan and avoid UI flickering - https://git.io/fjqW4
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<_whitenotifier-3d18> [Principia] pleroy labeled pull request #2130: 巴別 - https://git.io/fjqCe
<egg> SPiRou?
<egg> SPIRou?
<egg> is it SPiRou or SPIRou anyway
<egg> !acr -add:SPIRou SpectroPolarimètre InfraROUge
<galois> Definition added!
<UmbralRaptor> Looks to be the latter
<egg> !acr -add:ALMA Atacama Large Millimeter/submillimeter Array
<galois> Definition added!
<egg> !acr -add:APEX Atacama Pathfinder EXperiment
<galois> Definition added!
<egg> !acr -add:IRAM Institut de RadioAstronomie Millimétrique
<galois> ...
<egg> !acr -add:NOEMA NOrthern Extended Millimeter Array
<galois> ...
<egg> !acr -add:MPIfR Max-Planck-Institut für Radioastronomie
<galois> Definition added!
<egg> !acr -add:EHT Event Horizon Telescope
<galois> Definition added!
<egg> !tell mofh MGEX
<galois> egg: I'll pass that on when mofh is around.
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<mofh> egg|work|egg: yes yes: 1) it only JUST finished downloading from ENSG, like it's 33GB of data if we take IGN as authoritative, and we're downloading it off an Apple ][, remember? 2) I've had multiple meetings, a lecture *and* a talk today, I've been running around all day and only just now got more than 5 minutes free. :P
<galois> mofh: 2019-04-10 - 20:53:08 <egg> tell mofh MGEX
* egg licks mofh
<egg> mofh: what about CDDIS
<mofh> like it barely seems to connect, I haven't even grabbed every *.listing* file and that took seconds on ENSG.
<egg> mofh: what's a .listing file
<mofh> like at this point I'm tempted to email CDDIS asking why the fuck their server is unusably slow.
<mofh> a .listing file is a file generated by the ftpd in each directory that's basically just `ls > .listing`
<mofh> like it's just a text file of the dir contents
<egg> ah
<egg> good to know that IGN is reasonably fast
<egg> I'm used to them being all stupidly slow
<egg> but missing data is the main concern really
<mofh> like CDDIS is unusable for me and I don't know why
<egg> mofh: also clearly we need an ANBODIS
<mofh> like *login* timed out multiple times before finally succeeding *over ten minutes*
<egg> Ꙩ_ꙩ
<egg> wat
<egg> mofh: at least in a browser I can see the directory listings easily?
<egg> mofh: ftp://cddis.gsfc.nasa.gov/gnss/products/mgex/ getting the listing in the browser is maybe a second
<mofh> what the
<mofh> yeah ftp://cddis.gsfc.nasa.gov/gnss/products/mgex/ in a browser took about 15 seconds.
<egg> yeah 1 = 15 for all practical porpoises
<mofh> (which is still slow but not *as* bad as TEN MINUTES)
<egg> what the bloody hell code are you using to fetch those listings
<egg> mofh: that random powershell script i copied off stackoverflow seemed to work consistently too
<egg> <mofh> like *login* timed out multiple times before finally succeeding *over ten minutes* << wait, what login
<mofh> literally wget --dont-remove-listing "ftp://cddis.gsfc.nasa.gov/gnss/products/mgex/"
<egg> do you use nontrivial credentials?
<mofh> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
<mofh> I know the issue now
<mofh> guess what fixed it?
<mofh> wget -4 --dont-remove-listing "ftp://cddis.gsfc.nasa.gov/gnss/products/mgex/"
<egg> what does 4 do
<mofh> (also no, I don't use nontrivial credentials, I mean the process of anonymous handshaking)
<mofh> egg: makes it use IPv4 first instead of IPv6
<egg> ah.
<egg> well.
<egg> look.
<mofh> apparently the IPv6 route to CDDIS is fucked
<egg> you have seen the SP3 spec.
<egg> you are downloading gzipped SP3 files over FTP
<mofh> touché
<egg> do you expect the IPv6 server to work
<mofh> also the older ones don't even use gzip, they use .Z
<egg> yeah
<mofh> which is compress / LZW
<mofh> Compression Good Enough For 1993
<egg> gaillizip is their new shiny thing
<egg> s/lli/lly/
<galois> egg meant to say: gaillyzip is their new shiny thing
<egg> gaillouzip
<mofh> egg: okay so just comparing .listing's, CDDIS contains directories IGN doesn't, specifically directories 2049 - 2099
<egg> what's the current GPS week
<mofh> this isn't an issue, as all of those dirs are empty
<mofh> so false alarm
<egg> 2048
<egg> mofh: CDDIS has directories for the future
<egg> their emptiness is not cause for concern
<egg> in fact, contents there would be disturbing
<mofh> Oh GOOD I just realized I can save a lot of time by just iterating thru all the dirs and grabbing the MD5SUMS files
<mofh> and then comparing those.
<mofh> This should let me quickly tell a mirror's completeness apart.
<mofh> In fact let me do just that for CDDIS
<egg> mofh: hmm
<egg> mofh: I'm not sure the MD5SUMS cover all files
<egg> mofh: I'd trust comparing the listings more tbh
<egg> given their naming, if a file has the same name in the equivalent path it is almost certainly the same file
<mofh> I mean, true. That's why I'd use both.
<mofh> Listings and checksums.
<mofh> Point is I don't want to mass-get another mirror, since it's like 33GB of data
<mofh> which isn't an *issue* (I'm using campus internet, after all), but it takes a bloody *while*.
<egg> yeah
<egg> !acr -add:NRTK Network Real-Time Kinematic
<galois> Definition added!
<kmath> <physicsmatt> #UnscienceASpaceThing https://t.co/ukgclqcsvZ
<UmbralRaptor> Can't focus on eggsoplanets, distracted by M87*
<egg> mofh: meow
<mofh> egg: huh, only recent dirs have MD5SUMS, but comparing .listing works always
<mofh> egg: sec
<egg> mofh: i mean, they recently started moving from compress to gaillyzip, so it would make sense that md5 sums be modern too,
<mofh> augh the dates are messing everything up, let me sed them out
<mofh> the amount of scripts to the effect of `for i in `seq 1680 2048`; do sed -i -e 's/blarg//g'; done` that I've run so far is silly
<egg> mofh: wait why are you seding things
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<egg> mofh: also how is that pull request name ^
<egg> (that's from the בלל branch)
<mofh> Oh, so *that's* how you write "Babel" in hanzi.
<mofh> 23:52:43 <@egg> mofh: wait why are you seding things
<mofh> they're mirrors, they sync at different times. so even tho the filenames and file sizes are identical, the fact that the file creation times are off by a day means they're erroneously being marked as different by my incredibly lazy diff script, so I have to cut the ctime out of that.
<egg> ah.