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<raptop>
iximeow: how go the asteroid summoning rituals?
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<SnoopJ>
hmm
<SnoopJ>
!8 is that an extant genre of SF literature?
<galois>
SnoopJ: no
<raptop>
carcinization stories?
<SnoopJ>
I was thinking more asteroid-summoning
<SnoopJ>
certainly Great Old Ones hanging around as planetary detritus is a thing? at least I think I've heard at least one story that way
<raptop>
Oh, that's more of a world-building thing than a genre
<raptop>
pun not intended
<SnoopJ>
I guess maybe I'm thinking 'hard' space + eldritch horror
<raptop>
ah
<SnoopJ>
...I guess Peter Watts and Liu Cixin count depending on what's "eldritch"
<SnoopJ>
and maybe tucked away somewhere in the Laundry universe somewhere away from the narrative spotlight
<raptop>
Probably some cannons for the SCP Foundation, too
<raptop>
While not actually what you mean, I'm reminded of Trinity Blood (where there's a bunch of what's basically magic, but everyone understands it to be fancy technology, and treat it as such)
<SnoopJ>
ooh
<raptop>
!wpn
* galois
gives raptop an ultraviolet flap
<raptop>
!wpn -add:adj radio
<galois>
Entry already exists!
<raptop>
!wpn -add:adj microwave
<galois>
Entry already exists!
<raptop>
!wpn -add:wpn radio
<galois>
Added wpn 'radio'
<raptop>
!wpn -add:wpn microwave
<galois>
Added wpn 'microwave'
<raptop>
!wpn -add:wpn oven
<galois>
Added wpn 'oven'
<raptop>
!wpn -add:wpn stove
<galois>
Added wpn 'stove'
<raptop>
!wpn -add:wpn freezer
<galois>
Added wpn 'freezer'
<raptop>
!wpn -add:wpn refrigerator
<galois>
Added wpn 'refrigerator'
<iximeow>
raptop: asteroid has been summoned for the evening but the orbit is still ... not cooperating
<iximeow>
U=8.6 though, which is better than.... 10.4
<raptop>
I guess that helps
<iximeow>
observations will continue until determination improves
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<egg|anbo|egg>
whitequark: https://twitter.com/judofyr/status/1359455180912214017 hmmmmm is LRM counted as a space in ruby? because then you could separate the ends by LRMs so their memory order matches their rendered indents
<egg|anbo|egg>
sorry, RLM obviously
<egg|anbo|egg>
boustrophedon ruby
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<SnoopJ>
iximeow, I made a cheeky remark on a thread about the typosquatting thing about how you can't patch human beings and someone replied "well actually if you could point at a repository..."
<iximeow>
lol
<iximeow>
i think this is pretty different in that precedence rules of package managers aren't super obvious
<iximeow>
and not being able to explicitly host your own repositories for most of them is a huuuuuge mistake
<SnoopJ>
I think their point was like, string name resolution makes the fault possible in the first place
<SnoopJ>
and getting rid of that technically does "solve" the problem
<SnoopJ>
but like glhf getting people to give up the convenience of naming a thing
<SnoopJ>
at least pip's support for alternative indexes like devpi does make Python tooling look *slightly* less terrible here
<SnoopJ>
and poetry/pipenv are capable of locking the hash of the actual content, although tbh this doesn't really address the problem. not really a fix if you `poetry add wrongpkg`
<raptop>
Vaccines are basically patching humans, right?
<raptop>
Anyway, it's always amusing how many "video" conferences amount to conference calls plus the occasional slide
<SnoopJ>
interesting question
<SnoopJ>
feel like that's updating the allow/deny lists but...I guess that's a patch?
<iximeow>
SnoopJ: but getting rid of string identifiers introduces a whole new category of problems ("use this package hash: ...." is somewhat harder to look at than the string identifier)
<iximeow>
and so long as your identifiers resolve to something with some data, solutions i can imagine (look at your dependency tree to make sure it's things you expect, and not what you don't) apply in both ways
<SnoopJ>
exactly
<SnoopJ>
so I feel pretty confident in saying this vuln is mostly in meat
<SnoopJ>
which is not to excuse package management from its role
<SnoopJ>
!wpn iximeow
* galois
gives iximeow an edgy tardigrade
<iximeow>
oh this particular one where sometimes they'll just pick a different registry, which might have wildly different content
<iximeow>
that's uh, dangerous tooling
<raptop>
But like, shouldn't local reps take priority by default (and there's a clear way to set the priority)?
* raptop
pets the tardigrade
<iximeow>
"local" might be "our registry inside the corp vpn"
<iximeow>
so maybe you say "the language default is the lowest priority" but still
<raptop>
My understanding is that there's no human involvement on the defender side of that attack, so why talk about it like people are the vulnerability?
<SnoopJ>
I guess I'm talking about not-quite-this vuln
<SnoopJ>
in the case of pip you should be pointing explicitly at the inside index anyway
<SnoopJ>
the higher version number thing is just...bad
* SnoopJ
usually pins exact versions anyway
<SnoopJ>
I dunno, I guess it's surprising people are using --extra-index-url for internal deps at all but maybe they're not separating internal/external stuff and just smoosh it all together
<egg|anbo|egg_>
iximeow: current telescope pointing: M42
<raptop>
Obviously ANBO should provide additional data on the asteroid >_>
<iximeow>
\o/
<iximeow>
can ANBO see to 20th magnitude?
<egg|anbo|egg_>
hm
<egg|anbo|egg_>
200 mm aperture, but haha long focal
<egg|anbo|egg_>
bit of wind too, so not going to like long eggsposures
<egg|anbo|egg_>
(the wind is what makes it possible to observe in optical, otherwise it’s all clouded up here)
<egg|anbo|egg_>
here it is merely freezing
<raptop>
hrm
* raptop
sort of wishes I had clear discressionary time on the GMU telescope
<galois>
title: Observations du JD2458935 & images de calibration - Google Photos
<egg|anbo|egg_>
OK just did 60 30 s exposures of the brightest part of M 42, that should hopefully be enough given how shiny it is
<egg|anbo|egg_>
will try switching to widefield without freezing to death, wish me luck
<iximeow>
good luck
<iximeow>
oh right and current location of The Asteroid
<iximeow>
should be 5h34m03.56s/+21d42m54.95s
<egg|anbo|egg_>
iximeow: probably not going to try, with my field and the lack of goto that would require a looooot of hand navigation in the coooold
<iximeow>
oh lack of goto
<iximeow>
oof
<egg|anbo|egg_>
here we go for 30 min of widefield orion
<iximeow>
i'd like to piggyback a like. f/2.8 on the big scope
<iximeow>
i need to figure out how to focus it though
<egg|anbo|egg_>
my widefield is 1°24′,79×57′,29
<egg|anbo|egg_>
80 mm aperture, and a refractor rather than a kitty
<egg|anbo|egg_>
(kitty with a spider)
<raptop>
Obviously a kitty is the correct name for a smol cat (say, those 90 mm MCTs)
<egg|anbo|egg_>
OK 200 mm is probably starting to get into cat range
<egg|anbo|egg_>
a C14 would be chonk
* raptop
considers those two 16" Meades that we have just lying around in the observatory
<egg|anbo|egg_>
iximeow: what is your FoV & aperture on your imaging setup
<iximeow>
432mm and i THINK 41' by 27'15" but i really need to get proper notes together
<egg|anbo|egg_>
iximeow: a thing just crossed the frame (sat? meteor? There seems to be a vague light curve but that might also be that I am not looking at it through a flat)
<egg|anbo|egg_>
(note that since I switched to widefield there will be no flat on the high-res pictures)
<egg|anbo|egg_>
(my flats don’t appear to change much in practice anyway, just don’t do photometry on my narrow-field M 42 pics I guess)
<egg|anbo|egg_>
> here we go for 30 min of widefield orion
<egg|anbo|egg_>
augh they are saturated, stupid egg
<SnoopJ>
pls no abuse egg
<SnoopJ>
!wpn egg|anbo|egg_
* galois
gives egg|anbo|egg_ a kobold leek
<SnoopJ>
nutritious
<egg|anbo|egg_>
FFS even the narrow-field ones are saturating :’(
* egg|anbo|egg_
stabs things
* iximeow
reduces exposure
<egg|anbo|egg_>
iximeow: alternatively, gain
<egg|anbo|egg_>
I was at max gain, because that is what I do for deep sky stuff that is not full of bright stars
<egg|anbo|egg_>
or bright itself
<iximeow>
oh max gain will do it
<egg|anbo|egg_>
OK, saturating at highest dynamic range too :-p
<egg|anbo|egg_>
bright nebula is bright
<iximeow>
i have become very skeptical of "high gain", for the camera i'm using anything beyond 1.0e/adu is just.. stretching sensor observations
<iximeow>
i can do that later AND keep dynamic range
* iximeow
has been very offended since looking at a histogram and seeing one vertical bar every 7 counts, because "max gain" is just "multiply counts by 7"
<egg|anbo|egg_>
iximeow: OK but, uh, highest at 1 s still saturates on the stars
<iximeow>
.... what's your camera again?
<egg|anbo|egg_>
ZWO Color Astro Camera ASI178MC-cool
<egg|anbo|egg>
iximeow: anyway, two single 30 s exposures, binned 2 by 2, debayered, no further treatment, one narrowfield one widefield, wdyt https://photos.app.goo.gl/zVLwwg4HC6GciBJt6
<galois>
title: Shared album - Robin Leroy - Google Photos
<egg|anbo|egg>
(obvious answer, learn how to mosaic and mosaic in the narrowfield stack :D
<egg|anbo|egg>
uh what happened I am not seeing anything when exposing
* egg|anbo|egg
goes downstairs
<egg|anbo|egg_>
(meridian flip)
<egg|anbo|egg>
uuuuh now if i set it to lowest read nois it is no longer saturating on the nebula
<egg|anbo|egg>
is it even picking up my setting changes
<iximeow>
weird
<egg|anbo|egg>
it is clearly a lot darker/noisier so I am going to guess it is still hdr
<egg|anbo|egg>
yeah if I restart sips it is now saturating again
<egg|anbo|egg>
great, gain changes require a restart
<iximeow>
restart of... the camera?
<egg|anbo|egg>
of the capture/processing software
<iximeow>
hm
<iximeow>
unfortunate
<egg|anbo|egg>
also the gain is seemingly not part of the metadata
<egg|anbo|egg>
this seems suboptimal
<egg|anbo|egg_>
iximeow: anyway, onwards with 30 min of hdr widefield imaging
<egg|anbo|egg_>
iximeow: how can I use the saturating images
<egg|anbo|egg_>
(or rather, how can I combine the things)
<egg|anbo|egg_>
(how is mosaic formed)
<iximeow>
i only have bad processes to speak of
<iximeow>
i mosaic in paint.net
<iximeow>
deepskystacker can mosaic, and in osc + one evening it's ok, but if your data needs any normalization (different moon brightnesses etc), ime it's a bad time
<galois>
title: Shared album - Robin Leroy - Google Photos
<iximeow>
oooh
<egg|anbo|egg_>
probably ~5 km away
<egg|anbo|egg_>
don’t remember which scope I used, probably the big one ?
<egg|anbo|egg_>
that definitely is a narrow field given the size of the telephone pole of sorts at this distance
<egg|anbo|egg_>
!wpn iximeow
* galois
gives iximeow a Wheeler jump
<egg|anbo|egg_>
!wpn raptop
* galois
gives raptop a PC-compatible MX firefly
<egg|anbo|egg_>
iximeow: also should I reimage at a lower gain in narrowfield or is the narrowfield image I linked good enough (the stars are saturating but not the nebula)
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<egg|anbo|egg_>
uh oh why is the field dark
<egg|anbo|egg_>
ah, occluded by the house
<egg|anbo|egg>
!choose further observation|sleep
<galois>
egg|anbo|egg: Your options: further observation, sleep. My choice: sleep
<egg|anbo|egg>
stabbity choose further observation|sleep
<egg|anbo|egg>
ixi choose further observation|sleep
<iximeow>
further observation
<iximeow>
hmm what would be good
<iximeow>
egg: m81?
<egg|anbo|egg_>
that would work but also the star hopping sounds painful by -5 °C
<iximeow>
oof
<egg|anbo|egg_>
maybe I should take flats on the finder, M42 has stuff to the edge and this thing is supposed to be a finder rather than an imager so it may be worth it for once
<egg|anbo|egg_>
(on the big scope the flats find a bit of dust but that’s generally not visible on the image anyway, and the field is well lit otherwise)