raptop changed the topic of #principia to: READ THE FAQ: http://goo.gl/gMZF9H; The current version is Gateaux. We currently target 1.8.1, 1.9.1, and 1.10.1. <scott_manley> anyone that doubts the wisdom of retrograde bop needs to get the hell out | https://xkcd.com/323/ | <egg> calculating the influence of lamont on Pluto is a bit silly… | <egg> also 4e16 m * 2^-52 is uncomfortably large
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<discord-> B​utcher. — L5 sure is interesting.
<discord-> S​RFirefox. — wub wub wub goes the orbit. Nice flight
<discord-> B​utcher. — just a quick sim to see if I could get there easily, turns out yes I adapted my Lunar intercept script to intercept L4/5.
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<discord-> B​utcher. — L4 looking pretty nice, about a year between station keeping.
<discord-> S​tonesmile. — Is the station keeping needed to remain in 'orbit' of L4, or is it to tighten the orbit?
<discord-> B​utcher. — Tighten it really, my initial orbit isn't the best so it is predicted to drift out kinda wide after about 360-400 days.
<discord-> B​utcher. — Then KSP crashed. 🙄
<discord-> B​utcher. — Seems a lot less effort to maintain than L2
<discord-> B​utcher. — 500 day plot.
<discord-> B​utcher. — Still in very loose orbit after 800d.
<discord-> B​utcher. — 2
<discord-> S​tonesmile. — 2 years vs 25-30 days... yeah, sounds handy 😄
<discord-> B​utcher. — Hmm, lost 160 m/s delta v on the way out.
<discord-> B​utcher. — Yay boiloff.
<discord-> D​amien. — if you tightened it up decently it'd probably be stable for quite a while
<discord-> D​amien. — it looked quite chaotic to begin with
<discord-> D​amien. — still cool though
<discord-> D​amien. — that's one of the things I struggle with, manipulating L point orbits
<discord-> D​amien. — where and in what direction do you burn?
<discord-> D​amien. — they act completely counterintuitively compared to orbiting a body
<discord-> B​utcher. — Next burn:
<discord-> B​utcher. — So fairly arbitrary.
<discord-> S​tonesmile. — At L2 I burn +- tangent at the point where the needed dV is least. Basically set the dV to a small number and watch how the prediction change when you vary the t0
<discord-> S​tonesmile. — There is probably a better way to do it, but when you have 1 km dV you can afford to be suboptimal 😅
<discord-> B​utcher. — That burn is done near the descending node to flatten me into the orbital plane a bit, I just threw a tightening burn in with it.
<discord-> D​amien. — for a real headscratcher try and make a flat L point orbit an inclined one
<discord-> B​utcher. — Noodle soup.
<discord-> D​amien. — best ksp mod ever
<discord-> B​utcher. — Also those RA cones are tight.
<discord-> S​tonesmile. — I have noticed that time usually helps with this
<discord-> B​utcher. — Hmm, two of my moon relays have vanished.
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<discord-> Z​eusbeer. — Yes 🍜
<discord-> I​ identify as an H-IIA. — nice spaghetti you have there
<discord-> I​ identify as an H-IIA. — ever considered opening a spaghetti house
<discord-> P​aculino. — Set the reference frame to anything lunar to judge your work another way
<discord-> B​utcher. — All of those are in a lunar frame.
<discord-> B​utcher. — Is there a way to do long range planning without fps dropping to 1?
<discord-> P​aculino. — Somehow export everything from ksp to an optimized n-body simulator
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<discord-> (​experimentalshells?). — if you're doing, for example, interplanetary transfers, then you can afford setting the tolerance to a pretty large value.
<discord-> B​utcher. — Hmm, yeah I should have bumped that up. Doing a 2100 day flight to saturn, its killing me because its rendering 2100 days of prediction for all the moons.
* raptop stabs MERCURY6 in its poor moon support
<discord-> P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — poor support, or poorly optimized support?
<raptop> Well, there's some cool optimizations (see: EARTHMOO). But more that the way the inputs work, you can have planets around a star easily or moons around a planet easily, but getting moons around a planet around a star is a hassle
<discord-> S​kylar (She/Her). — Btw raptop, out of curiosity can you only see this chat, or all of them? What program are you using?
<discord-> S​tonesmile. — There is a IRC connected to this channel over the bot, so only this channel
<raptop> Only this channel, and irssi. The bot is connected to an IRC channel on EsperNet, see...
<discord-> P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — To get around firewalls?
<discord-> e​gg. — no, just because IRC is nice
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<discord-> P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — https://xkcd.com/1782/
* raptop >_>;;
<discord-> (​experimentalshells?). — what *was* that string of character
<discord-> (​experimentalshells?). — what *was* that string of characters (edited)
<raptop> a kaomoji, specifically shifty eyes with a sweatdrop
<raptop> Though egg|cell|egg would insist that the ;; is actually a spider behind me
<discord-> P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — IRC bot needs unicode support
<discord-> B​utcher. — @Stonesmile L5 relay, first ~1200 days
<discord-> B​utcher. — They are definitely lower maintenance than L2.
<discord-> P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — Why not L1?
<discord-> S​tonesmile. — Could I get Earth and Moon for scale? 😅
<discord-> B​utcher. — If I remember, I'll tighten them up in a year.
<raptop> 😅 just isn't the same
<discord-> P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — No, bananas all the way
<discord-> (​experimentalshells?). — KAC is your friend
<discord-> (​experimentalshells?). — raptop, that unicode was butchered
<raptop> fajsdkl;gr/e
<raptop> Fun fact: stonesmile used the same emoji and it came thorugh fine on this end
<discord-> (​experimentalshells?). — and paculino, I'm not sure that the bot transmits reactions
<discord-> (​experimentalshells?). — yeah
<discord-> (​experimentalshells?). — the bod seems to not work IRC -> discord from what I've heard
<raptop> The bot does not transmit reactions
<discord-> B​utcher. — Because this is for commas on the far side of the moon
<discord-> B​utcher. — Because this is for comms on the far side of the moon (edited)
<discord-> P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — Make sense
<raptop> So I can't see anyone attaching 🥚 to various egg-posts
<discord-> P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — Can you see this 🥚 alright? How about this: ŝĝĉŭĵĥ μ₷¥
<discord-> (​experimentalshells?). — can see the egg
<egg|cell|egg> The kaomoji was butchered too
<discord-> (​experimentalshells?). — don't know what ŝĝĉŭĵĥ μ₷¥ means
<raptop> egg, and a bunch of silliness with diacritics, a mu, a fancy(?) s, and a yen symbol
<discord-> P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — Just all the unicode stuff that I can type without copying stuff
<discord-> P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — Well, most
<discord-> P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — I can type more, but discord has built in macros
<discord-> P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — I can type more, but discord/Firefox has built in macros (edited)
<raptop> Paculino: eg: I can see that circumflex over the s in your first pronoun
<discord-> S​kylar (She/Her). — Bruh your using discord on firefox?
<discord-> P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — Yes
<discord-> (​experimentalshells?). — web app discord is fine
<discord-> S​kylar (She/Her). — Am I the only one using discord like a normal person? XD
<discord-> (​experimentalshells?). — you may notice that there are more people using webapp discord than you think
<egg|cell|egg> It was `/me >_>;;`, got sent as `_>_>;;_` and markdown happened
<discord-> P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — The app would not sync with my account in firefox easily
<discord-> S​kylar (She/Her). — Huh
<discord-> P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — What is the irc link?
<raptop> Depending on your browser, irc://irc.esper.net/#Principia may work
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<discord-> B​utcher. — I'm on web discord.
<discord-> S​kylar (She/Her). — Eh, this is all small brain, big brain is everyone migrating to the program previously known as riot.ism (now element)
<discord-> B​utcher. — Desktop discord is janky.
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<mib_nkm81z> I disagree
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* raptop should eventually look into riot, matrix, or whatever
<paculino> Now I can type all of the unicode characters normally
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<discord-> e​gg. — 𒉭
<discord-> S​kylar (She/Her). — Ive never used an irc before and cant figure out how to do this (on mobile)
<paculino> π ₷£€ ĈĉŜŝĜĝŬŭĴĵĤĥ μ
<discord-> (​experimentalshells?). — poor cuneiform support strikes again
<paculino> Why am I just funding out that firefox has built in irc?
<paculino> I am not using cuneiform
<discord-> (​experimentalshells?). — but egg is
<paculino> Oh, I did not know that that was cuneiform; I thought it was error boxes
<egg|laptop|egg> no, it was cuneiform, and it went through fine
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<paculino> Maybe I just need new glasses again
<discord-> (​experimentalshells?). — it's my fault, not the bridge's
<Butcher> Wow this is a weird client.
<discord-> (​experimentalshells?). — poor unicode support
<egg|laptop|egg> on Windows Segoe UI Historic supports it so it should look good (albeit old-Babylonian, if you prefer neo-Assyrian things get complicated)
<raptop> ニャア〜
* raptop assumes that that's on the BMP)
<raptop> s/)//
<discord-> S​kylar (She/Her). — Mmmpf I dont want to get out of bed to get on my pc to figure it out ;-;
<Butcher> Such laziness.
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<egg|laptop|egg> on non-Windows you can install Noto Sans Cuneiform (which has the same glyphs as Segoe UI Historic)
<discord-> B​utcher. — IRC still says current version is Gateaux?
<raptop> (Not to be confused with a БМП, which is also on the BMP and not a technical)
<egg|laptop|egg> looks like I forgot to /topic in a while
<raptop> oh, right
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egg changed the topic of #principia to: READ THE FAQ: http://goo.gl/gMZF9H; The current version is Гельфонд. We currently target 1.8.1, 1.9.1, and 1.10.1. <scott_manley> anyone that doubts the wisdom of retrograde bop needs to get the hell out | https://xkcd.com/323/ | <egg> calculating the influence of lamont on Pluto is a bit silly… | <egg> also 4e16 m * 2^-52 is uncomfortably large
<experimentalshells> much better
<paculino> Is there a Ubuntu-style font supporting cuneiform?
<raptop> Not sure about style, but there's always https://dn-works.com/ufas/
<experimentalshells> you can always sudo apt-get install ttf-ancient-fonts
<discord-> e​gg. — yeah but the Assyrian font here is stuck in pre-2014
<paculino> How much has the Ballmer peak assisted Principia development?
<paculino> I notice that it is pinned in the irc
<discord-> e​gg. — For old Babylonian glyphs just use https://www.google.com/get/noto/#sans-xsux, for neo-Assyrian wait for someone to make an up-to-date Assyrian font because the existing ones don’t know about some important characters encoded in 2014 (and they also get some character unifications wrong)
<discord-> P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — Are you a linguistics and astrophysics double major or something?
<discord-> e​gg. — nah, I have an MSc. in pure maths
<discord-> B​utcher. — Egg is just 🥚
<discord-> e​gg. — 𒉭
<discord-> B​utcher. — Not even Dr Egg?
<discord-> e​gg. — 𒉭 (http://oracc.museum.upenn.edu/epsd2/o0036553) (edited)
<discord-> P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — dregg
<paculino> When did Scott Manley last log in?
<paculino> 🤔
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<discord-> B​utcher. — Trapped under a cat.
<raptop> oh, no, a cone of shame
<discord-> P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — Only one eye '(
<discord-> B​utcher. — 😿
<discord-> P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — What happened?
<discord-> B​utcher. — Not sure, he was found with it ruptured, vet had to take it out.
<discord-> P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — The right eye seems to be the common one to loose. I know a cat missing the right eye, and a human.
<raptop> ow
<discord-> B​utcher. — We've had at least two cats with left eyes missing.
<discord-> P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — The semi-feral cats I take care of have pierced ears from fights, but none are missing eyes
<discord-> P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — The semi-feral cats I take care of have pierced/torn ears from fights, but none are missing eyes (edited)
<discord-> B​utcher. — We've had a lot of different cats, they're all Foster cats so not here for that long.
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