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<queqiao-> ⟨mmeridian⟩ not sure what im missing but map mode markers have disappeared for my noodles no matter which of the radio buttons i select
<queqiao-> ⟨mmeridian⟩ they've left me.... how will I know where my DN is now....
<queqiao-> ⟨mmeridian⟩ no markers for flight plan either. im in 165x300 km orbit for reference
<queqiao-> ⟨mmeridian⟩ I've tried reloading a quicksave, haven't tried an actual scene change or game restart yet
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<queqiao-> ⟨prophet1313⟩ Hey everyone, after updating to Klein, upon trying to load a save, the game immediately crashes to desktop with no unity message. Where can I find the log to post it here? _Might be that it's related to that pesky staging bug_
<queqiao-> ⟨prophet1313⟩ Downgraded back to Kleene and it loads fine
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<queqiao-> ⟨lpg4999⟩ probably none of those places
<queqiao-> ⟨sichelgaita⟩ I wish people stopped using that bot which is just spitting out garbage.
<raptop> poke the admins about fixing the bot, I guess?
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<queqiao-> ⟨lpg4999⟩ it's a fine bot, just not the right command for principia
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<queqiao-> ⟨sichelgaita⟩ Please follow the instructions to report bugs shared by lpg, and open an issue. The main difference between Klein and Kleene is that we try to detect early if your terrain is wedged by some other mod. More likely than not, it's the case. We want to hear about it.
<queqiao-> ⟨sichelgaita⟩ At a minimum, the bot should say "Not applicable to Principia". Anyway, could an admin delete the message produced by the bot above? No point in confusing users.
<queqiao-> ⟨lpg4999⟩ if there's going to be a principia line in the wall of text, it should give the right link
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<queqiao-> ⟨prophet1313⟩ Im trying that now but the KSP.log and Player.log files are 44MB and 49MB respectively while github only allows up to 25Mb, is it ok if I include them as a dropbox or some other filesharing service link?
<queqiao-> ⟨prophet1313⟩ As for the LocalLow and Local, neither contain a crash that's not a few days old
<queqiao-> ⟨sichelgaita⟩ You don't have a "FATAL" file?
<queqiao-> ⟨prophet1313⟩ That's there, im attaching it to the issue report
<queqiao-> ⟨prophet1313⟩ Only the crashes in \appdata\ are missing
<queqiao-> ⟨sichelgaita⟩ That's fine, "FATAL" + "INFO" will get us started.
<_whitenotifier-d4c1> [Principia] Prophett1313 opened issue #4060: Crash on load - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/4060
<queqiao-> ⟨prophet1313⟩ Submitted
<queqiao-> ⟨prophet1313⟩ Oh and the bot noticed too
<queqiao-> ⟨sichelgaita⟩ So this is very interesting, the error is "Terrain system returned NaN for altitude at latitude 150.891908356404, longitude -83.5875685995387 for celestial Ceres". I was eagerly anticipating to see this message. Long story short, you have a mod that garbles the terrain (of Ceres, but it could be doing that for other celestials).
<queqiao-> ⟨sichelgaita⟩ Now we are going to need you to help us figure out which mod exactly is doing that. I'll post details on the issue.
<queqiao-> ⟨prophet1313⟩ Ill be more than happy to help 😄
<_whitenotifier-d4c1> [Principia] eggrobin commented on issue #4060: Crash on load - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/4060#issuecomment-2271808425
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<_whitenotifier-d4c1> [Principia] pleroy commented on issue #4060: Crash on load - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/4060#issuecomment-2271812683
<_whitenotifier-d4c1> [Principia] Prophett1313 commented on issue #4060: Crash on load due to the early terrain check of Klein - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/4060#issuecomment-2271824310
<_whitenotifier-d4c1> [Principia] pleroy commented on issue #4060: Crash on load due to the early terrain check of Klein - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/4060#issuecomment-2271857702
<queqiao-> ⟨siimav⟩ Prophet1313 has RSS-Reborn.
<_whitenotifier-d4c1> [Principia] Prophett1313 commented on issue #4060: Crash on load due to the early terrain check of Klein - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/4060#issuecomment-2271894574
<queqiao-> ⟨sichelgaita⟩ Ah, we have been suspicious of RSS-Reborn in the past...
<queqiao-> ⟨prophet1313⟩ I could try a lower/higher res version of Ceres and see if that changes something?
<queqiao-> ⟨mmeridian⟩ Just FYI the game wont load if you just delete Parallax without also going and grabbing the non-Parallax RSS-Configs
<queqiao-> ⟨sichelgaita⟩ Sure, why not? But note that if it still fails the next step will be to remove RSS-Reborn.
<queqiao-> ⟨prophet1313⟩ *try** to remove RSS-Reborn. I'm 99% sure ill brick the install if I try that
<queqiao-> ⟨prophet1313⟩ On the plus side that will solve the problem
<queqiao-> ⟨prophet1313⟩ _hopefuly_
<queqiao-> ⟨prophet1313⟩ Should have thought of that yeah
<queqiao-> ⟨prophet1313⟩ I downloaded the 32k texture set, game is loading now
<queqiao-> ⟨mmeridian⟩ For what it's worth I played today and I'm on the latest RSS-Reborn and Principia without these crashes (although I did lose my markers as mentioned above)
<queqiao-> ⟨sichelgaita⟩ Ah cool, can you update the issue with the details of the change you made (for posterity)? Interesting that it depends on the resolution.
<queqiao-> ⟨prophet1313⟩ Nono, I meant the game is booting up
<queqiao-> ⟨prophet1313⟩ Will report if it manages to load
<queqiao-> ⟨prophet1313⟩ Mb
<queqiao-> ⟨prophet1313⟩ Nono, I meant the game is in the process of booting up (15ish min with all the mods)
<queqiao-> ⟨prophet1313⟩ idk if the two can be related? Im on a _relatevley_ old version of RSS Reborn since the new one straight up doesnt want to boot on this install and I dont want to lose the current save
<queqiao-> ⟨prophet1313⟩ (not principia related, doesnt boot without it either)
<queqiao-> ⟨mmeridian⟩ I would not be surprised if it was causing a conflict especially if you have an older version of his fork of Kopernicus
<queqiao-> ⟨prophet1313⟩ I get another Kopernicus error, I'm assuming there are some differences in the cfgs between the old version I had and the new version and I'm assuming updating Kopernicus will break all the other things
<queqiao-> ⟨prophet1313⟩ Yep
<queqiao-> ⟨mmeridian⟩ If you don't want to update all of your mods then I wouldn't pick and choose specific ones to update. Just leave the save as is if it's working
<queqiao-> ⟨prophet1313⟩ I know, that's why I left RSS-Reborn as it was
<queqiao-> ⟨prophet1313⟩ I will however backup the install and try to upgrade to the latest RSS-Reborn version and see if that still gets the Principia crash
<queqiao-> ⟨prophet1313⟩ It will be nice to know if RSS Reborn and Principia dont play nice
<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ I have RSS-Reborn for a while and it just works with Principia.
<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ +No crashes here.
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