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<Eddi|zuHause> i think i'm getting a hang of these parabola flights
<Eddi|zuHause> but i can't quite get to suborbital AP
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<Eddi|zuHause> hey, that was an actual landing... i think i figured out the autopilot
<Eddi|zuHause> i think i can get "splashed down in the badlands" science from here
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<Mat2ch> Eddi|zuHause: you can use a single spacecraft for multiple missions. I regularly did that with "place a satellite in this orbit" and did two, three, sometimes even more missions with one satellite.
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<Eddi|zuHause> yes, another satellite mission just plopped up, and i'm doing both of them
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<Eddi|zuHause> the plane that flew so well yesterday... i made a modification, and now it doesn't anymore... :(
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<Mat2ch> been there...
<Mat2ch> planes are hard
<Mat2ch> rockets are easy in comparison.
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<Eddi|zuHause> something is weird... my chutes don't deploy
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<sandbox> paranormal chutes or paranoid chutes
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<Eddi|zuHause> hm... high-g adventure during suborbital flight is tricky... i managed to make them pass out during reentry, but that didn't count
<Althego> high g is not worth it
<Althego> because you cant fake it with spinning
<Althego> so you need absolutely huge acceleration for a long time
<Althego> means big rocket and big tank
<Althego> even with solids it is not financially viable
<Eddi|zuHause> so instead i need some high-g during a maneuver in space, but this one mainsail doesn't keep up high g for long enough before running out of fuel
<Althego> in any normal world you could just put the cabin on the end of an arm, and make it spin
<Eddi|zuHause> or i need to leave out the hitchhiker, and split it into two launches
<Althego> the tourists would pass out. however the game measures the acceleration on the center of mass
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<FLHerne> .mission add You build a new rocket, but include one part from an older one so you can call it a refurbishment for tax reasons.
<LunchBot> Added mission: You build a new rocket, but include one part from an older one so you can call it a refurbishment for tax reasons.
<Eddi|zuHause> this evil game... i burnt prograde just after leaving atmosphere, and all 4 tourists passed out, but apparently for the last one it didn't count?
<packbart> Althego: yeah, only for show: https://formularfetischisten.de/~packbart/temp/kspg2.jpg :/
<Eddi|zuHause> man, i think this rocket with 1 pod and 1 lander can is maybe just a tiny bit too heavy for 1 mainsail... does it make a difference for g-forces if i burnt higher up?
<packbart> once you pass the atmosphere border, it's thrust should be at max already
<packbart> its, duh
<Pinkbeast> I'd kind of expect a Mainsail to not find 1 pod and one lander can too heavy at all
<Eddi|zuHause> well, too heavy to reach g-limits for long enough
<Pinkbeast> Naively I wonder if an SRB might be a better option
<Eddi|zuHause> i'm thinking some staged fuel tanks, to make the final craft lighter
<Eddi|zuHause> currently it has a max twr of 9.27
<packbart> Pinkbeast: I was thinking MK3 cabin, probe core, Clydesdale booster but I didn't test it, either :)
<Eddi|zuHause> but it's difficult to have a small last stage tank, and not have to carry a second mainsail
<Deddly> Those contracts are insanely frustrating to pull off
<Althego> that is why i said they are not worth it
<Deddly> It's a wonderful idea, but poorly implemented, IMHO
<Althego> it would have been nice if it took the cabin acceleration, so you coul have used spin for it
<Deddly> Just gleaning what I can from half a conversation I could read since connecting :)
<Deddly> I think I did it by rotating end over end... that works, at least, doesn't it?
<Eddi|zuHause> it would be simpler if it didn't have the "suborbital trajectory" requirement
<Eddi|zuHause> because in atmosphere you can do all kinds of flight maneuvers
<Eddi|zuHause> or a steep reentry
<Althego> in atmosphere you can pull high g turns
<Eddi|zuHause> yes
<Pinkbeast> I think you could burn normal at the top of a suborbital trajectory and that would be an easy place to do it
<Eddi|zuHause> i tried that...
<Eddi|zuHause> but g-forces during reentry come too late, it's not "suborbital" anymore
<Eddi|zuHause> this "2-staged tank" setup could even reach orbit.
<Eddi|zuHause> but it screwed up the crew again... i hate this game.
<Pinkbeast> I'm a little confused because that could easily be several minutes away from reentry
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<Eddi|zuHause> but this setup generally seems to work.
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<Judge_DedD> !nextlunch
<LunchBot> Pot noodle sandwich.
<Judge_DedD> Innovative
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<FLHerne> but questionably healthy
<Althego> anything is edible once
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<Mat2ch> Is a bear edible while it is eating you and you have no chance of eating it?
<raptop> edibility tends to be a sufficiently general property that presumably someone else could try eating the bear
<Althego> and it doesnt depend on the fact whether you are in a state to eat it
<Althego> a cake on the iss is edible, even if you cant reach it
<raptop> mmm... space cake...
<Althego> space acke is a lie
<Mat2ch> raptop: We have to go to the ISS and find out if it really is a lie!
<raptop> Just sneak into the next Progress/ATV/HTV/Dragon that goes there?
<Althego> or ask somebody to put it back to the next dragon
<Althego> did it undock yet?
<Mat2ch> Dragon resupply mission it is. You bring the air bottles, I'll get the diving masks
<Mat2ch> I'll also bring a cake, to make sure there will be cake.
<Althego> hehe
<raptop> !8ball Make the events of Apogee of Terror real?
<LunchBot> If not now, when?
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<Althego> eh it already departed
<Althego> splashdown on the 30th
<Althego> so the cake stays up
<raptop> The dragon will be baked, and then there will be cake
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<darsie> I recently played that through in one evening.
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<Mat2ch> Portal?
<darsie> mhm
<Mat2ch> The first one was rather short. But fun
<darsie> Flatmate wanted to play games and I offered portal, but he didn't play it.
<Mat2ch> also if you know what you have to do it's faster ;)
<darsie> I played P2, too.
<darsie> Portal was the first game I bought on steam, because I liked the original on the C64 decades ago. Unfortunately barely anyone remembers it.
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<sandbox_> 1986?
<darsie> might well be.
<sandbox_> the kickstarter for a sequel failed
<sandbox_> I didn't think there was any relation to the Valve game
<sandbox_> I never played Narbacular Drop
<darsie> Ahh, no, not that activision portal text adventure.
<darsie> A player with a portal gun making blue and orange portals.
<sandbox_> I played both Valve Portals with one of my nephews
<sandbox_> I can't remember if that was before or after the pandemic
<darsie> Quite similar to the recent C64 Portal port.
<sandbox_> I bought the Orange Box in 2007, and Portal 2 in 2012
<sandbox_> I think everyone knew that the Orange Box was a trojan horse to get people to use Steam
<raptop> Pretty sure my timeline for those two was pretty similar
<raptop> Wait, orange box might have been more like 2009?
<sandbox_> I haven't bought anything on Steam since 2012
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<sandbox_> lots of complimentary stuff or free keys
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<raptop> Can't say I've gone that route, though there's been a moderate amount of free stuff on GOG. And I think 100% of the games I have on EGS?
<Mat2ch> and to think that there is no other life out there...
<raptop> Please launch HWO so we can usefully characterize nearby terrestrial planets and better answer that question
<Mat2ch> it's still very unlikely that a nearby planet has life on it in roughly the same stage of development as we are
<raptop> Yeah. Like a lot of the work considers modern earth vs protozoic earth vs archean earth
<raptop> see eg: figure 1 on page 3 of https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/PSJ/ad09b1/pdf
<Mat2ch> at the state of their atmosphere we shall see if they are as stupid as us. :D
<raptop> hah, but also people of unironically argued that we should look for weird pollutants in planetary atmosphere spectra since before we found the first exoplanets!
<Mat2ch> I guess if they find something like our polluted atmosphere we will see many papers about it...
<raptop> yep!
<Mat2ch> !mission
<LunchBot> You get very worked up about an imagined hypothetical situation. Kmath rises up and kills all the Kerbals.
<Mat2ch> Was that the hypothetical situation or real?
<raptop> Probably hypothetical, depending on how worked up we get about it
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