<Mat2ch>
that picture is eight years old. I'm feeling old now.
<X>
I approve.
<Althego>
did you put the bridge to a specific location or was it only on the runway?
<Mat2ch>
It was only a test of what KSP back then would manage
<Mat2ch>
I think that was on my FX-8350
<sandbox>
I posted pictures of my Titanic here, and that must have been 10 years ago as that's when my old pc died
<Mat2ch>
so it sank with the PC. :D
<sandbox>
it wasn't related
<Mat2ch>
FLHerne: Pinkbeast: I'm almost through with all of Pratchetts books. And I have the feeling the books are getting a bit worse. Like her seriously forgot things he wrote in books before. And some things are just random and feel out of context.
<FLHerne>
thankfully the very last one is quite good
<Mat2ch>
what annoys me the most are some minor details. Like Tiffany using shambles. She never did before. She never needed to.
<Pinkbeast>
I've not read the last two Tiffany Aching books, I couldn't quite bring myself to after he died and now it's a Thing. So IDK about that, I'm afraid.
<Mat2ch>
they are not bad, just some inconsistencies
<FLHerne>
The one Discworld book I really /don't/ like is Raising Steam, it feels like all the major characters are wearing each other's bodies
<FLHerne>
which is a pity because the first few chapters are pretty neat
<Pinkbeast>
Huh. I like that one (apart from the reminder of the depressing ending of Making Money) but I'm a sucker for anything with steam locomotives in it
<Mat2ch>
FLHerne: That's still on my list :)
<Mat2ch>
Why was the ending of Making Money depressing?
<FLHerne>
I'm definitely a sucker for steam locomotives
<FLHerne>
was out playing with the steamboat again last weekend
<Pinkbeast>
Mat2ch: It turns out they can't use the power of golems or other machinery to live in a pleasant post-scarcity society because stocks won't go up
<Pinkbeast>
I can get _that_ IRL, don't need it in Discworld.
<Mat2ch>
I might have read it differently, because those golems were built for war and not regular work and the other cities felt threatend. So they were put out of order to keep the peace
<Mat2ch>
What I didn't like in that book was the remark about democracy, where Pseudopolis voted to abandon taxes. Which was just there to make every democracy look crazy
<Pinkbeast>
No; it turns out they'll obey anyone in a shiny jacket and Moist leaks that secret to every city (p 207 or so)
<Pinkbeast>
That stocks would go down if they were put to work is earlier, p.176 or so
<Mat2ch>
Moist calls them "50 foot-high-killer golems". So I think the intention here was really to prevent a war
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<Pinkbeast>
They are military, yes, but they're put beyond military use by him leaking the secret, and that's fair enough.
<Pinkbeast>
The business where we can't use machines to make humans not have to do manual labour is what I found depressing.
<Mat2ch>
I'm looking for that page, but can't find it :(
<Pinkbeast>
(I'm a little confused by the other bit because the words "Pseudopolis" and "democracy" appear once each in the book, not in that context
<Pinkbeast>
)
<Mat2ch>
then I might be wrong about the book. I have read a lot lately, because there's nothing else to do in this heat.
<Pinkbeast>
It's about the middle of chapter 10
<Pinkbeast>
It could be Pyramids where Pseudopolitan democracy is first introduced (and gets short shrift from Ptraci) but given it's the kind of democracy where everyone gets the vote unless they are a woman, slave, poor etc I don't mind a little poking fun
<Mat2ch>
Ah, I found the part you have been talking about.
<Mat2ch>
It is interesting that this is the only part this is talked about, because in the end it's more about stopping a war.
<Pinkbeast>
I'm talking about that bit because it's that bit I didn't like. The bit where a war is successfully averted doesn't seem to merit criticism
<Mat2ch>
but it fits into the whole story. Nobody is questioning their market system.
<Pinkbeast>
Right, a pretty depressing thing one can get quite enough of IRL.
<Mat2ch>
Yes, indeed. But I have to say in Pratchetts defense that he has a good eye for society. It shows more in the early books, where he pokes fun at it in many ways
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<Mat2ch>
I can't find the remark on democracy :/
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<FLHerne>
.mission add You ask ATC for a takeoff clearance from runway 380R. The local value of π is altered significantly to facilitate this.
<LunchBot>
Added mission: You ask ATC for a takeoff clearance from runway 380R. The local value of π is altered significantly to facilitate this.
<raptop>
*380*?
<packbart>
Right.
<FLHerne>
raptop: yes
<FLHerne>
packbart: :D
<FLHerne>
well played
<raptop>
hah
<raptop>
But also, is there an incident report that this is specifically referencing?