egg|nomz|egg changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> egg|nomz|egg: generally if your eyes are dewing over, that's not the weather. | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
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<raptop>
...maybe I should have used the one with gigabit ethernet for this.
* raptop
is saturating a 100 Mbit connection
* raptop
ignores that that raptop has only a 60 gig disk, and only like 2.1 gig free (verses the 80 free on a 90 gig drive on this one)
<SnoopJeDi>
downloading something, raptop?
<raptop>
Bunch of partially processed simulation data, because it'll be useful for throwing it at some other machines to finish processing.
<SnoopJeDi>
\o/
<raptop>
Also realizing that exploiting a bunch of extra compute means installing far too many snek packages
<SnoopJeDi>
I realized after getting this server set up and named 'lawrence' that I missed a good naming opportunity. There are two of these, so naming them courant and snyder would be even more of an historical nod
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* raptop
stares at their last 4 computer names. Silbervogel, Keldysh, Urvogel, Eoraptor
<raptop>
(Well, ones that I actually named. 55_CnC doesn't count)
<SnoopJeDi>
o.O
<raptop>
*55-Cnc
<raptop>
As in 55-Cancri, as in that star with a notable early detection of a hot superearth. That may have a thin atmosphere, a thick atmosphere, or a dayside lava ocean. o_O
<raptop>
Command "python setup.py egg_info" failed with error code 1 in /tmp/pip-install-rtk2uocw/radvel/
<raptop>
Note to self, setting up eggs is hard.
<raptop>
...so many dependencies >_<
<SnoopJeDi>
no pip?
<SnoopJeDi>
oh nevermind, says pip-install right there >_>
<raptop>
pip and conda
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<SilverFox>
so real talk, I was mulling over some wine and it hit me, how do you reference a point in memory, at a very very low level, without it basically being a doubling effect, where you have data, and then pointer
<SilverFox>
or is that just how it goes
<SnoopJeDi>
SilverFox, what do you mean?
<SilverFox>
like, you have a byte in memory, but if you think of it from a programming language, you need to reference that memory
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<SnoopJeDi>
well, you go to that address and read the right amount of memory then, yea.
<SilverFox>
yeah but that requires another byte* to reference the memory
<SnoopJeDi>
yes
<SnoopJeDi>
but the size of a pointer is often going to be small compared to the data
<SilverFox>
and if you give a name to that reference, does that require more memory, or do compilers just skip this step and translate any reference to the thing as a direct address pointer?
<SnoopJeDi>
I don't really grok compilers but I think the answer is "it depends"
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<SnoopJeDi>
err, unless you're just asking about `foo = &bar;` in which case that's meant for human consumption and isn't particularly meaningful to the output the compiler, AFAIK?
<SilverFox>
that's what I figured
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<SilverFox>
now, do modern compilers, since MUH SECURITY N SHIT, work with dynamic memory addresses or static addresses?
<SnoopJeDi>
and I think the answer to that second question is "both" (modulo the fact that the "static" stuff is usually in terms of offsets)
<SnoopJeDi>
but like, creating a stack/heap that live in a fixed place is a very sensible thing for a compiler to be doing, as is "jump to an address indicated by a value held in memory"
<SnoopJeDi>
and happily, the compiler lets us express those things in terms that...aren't machine instructions. Math: it works!
<B787_300>
UmbralRaptop: i mean why not... large FoV, good sensitivity, so it can spot the supernovae before visible from ground based telescopes? i can see it until someone makes a set of all sky all the time* telescopes
<UmbralRaptop>
B787_300: it totally works for secondary science, I was just amused by the description as the 'real mission'
<egg|cell|egg>
UmbralRaptor: setting me up is hard?
<B787_300>
ah
<UmbralRaptop>
egg|cell|egg: snek language silliness
<B787_300>
just think about all the secondary and tertiary science that can be done if all the worlds telescope images were all archived and accessible
<UmbralRaptop>
B787_300: :D
<B787_300>
huh i wonder if that could be a viable buisness model... set up a set of say .25-.5 m robotic telescopes, sell access for pointing rights, also store all images in a very large database and sell subscriptions to said database
<B787_300>
set it up with either big enough FoVs that you get enough stars for Photometric cal or require that 3-4 times a night the scopes take a photometric cal set
<iximeow>
ooo i like this
<B787_300>
i request a small cut of profits if anyone in this channel uses my idea
<B787_300>
say 2-5%
<B787_300>
you would need to have a technician or two at each site to troubleshoot / fix, but each tech could probably fix/watch over what 10 or so scopes?
* UmbralRaptop
wants to say that this eggsists
<B787_300>
oh i know robotic scopes exist that you can buy time on
<B787_300>
i am thinking more of the DB to "double dip"
<UmbralRaptop>
Ah
<B787_300>
could have differing levels of DB access, one level is just star / object brightness / loc, another level is X numbers of raw images a $timeperiod
<B787_300>
oh and make it so that random people could submit images and store them as unverified addtional data
<B787_300>
or if you can run them through a system like astronometry.net to get location data / photometrics then add them to the main data
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<SnoopJeDi>
bofh, ...I really want to hear a somber organ composition of nyancat now???
<B787_300>
SnoopJeDi: in a minor key too right?
<SnoopJeDi>
probably
<SnoopJeDi>
"minor key" and somber are close enough to synomymous :P
<SnoopJeDi>
synonymous, too
<B787_300>
Have you never heard supossdely happy songs transcribed into minor key and played? They sounds realllllllly dark
<SnoopJeDi>
I have
<B787_300>
I think the nyancat tempo will cause issues though
<SnoopJeDi>
Happy birthday is particularly delightful
<SnoopJeDi>
yea, you'd definitely have to dial it back
<bofh>
ground directly referenced to neutral & North America doesn't do differential breakers outside of bathrooms.
<SilverFox>
out of bathrooms or places where outlets are in x proximity to water sources iirc
<bofh>
like, it's good that they're there but I don't understand why they keep ignoring the case of "what if some idiot thinks putting a capacitative dropper in a brick, labelling it 24V and then selling it to people where it then proceeds to electrocute all their fish" as one that's utterly irrelevant
<bofh>
seriously oeuf how DOES one contact the FR electrical inspection authority? I'm pretty sure selling capacitative droppers directly referenced to a mains pin as "24VAC" adapters isn't, erm, allowed.
<bofh>
(that moment when your impromptu electrical install into Montsouris streetlights is actually up to code and stuff I bought in Quatre Temps eggstremely is not).
* oeuf
meows at bofh
* oeuf
meows at whitequark
<oeuf>
bofh: have you joined the sigfig weird chat
<UmbralRaptop>
yet another chat program? bleagh
<bofh>
oeuf: no, what's in it?
<oeuf>
bofh: not much for now, sigfig being sigfig; eventually orbit talk afaict
<oeuf>
bofh: "the orbit stuff is decidedly not intellectual property so theres no point in not doing it in public" quoth the sigfig
<oeuf>
UmbralRaptop: its *weird* but it supports LaTeX, so
* raptop
's internet options are really lacking, so this could be a problem.
<oeuf>
UmbralRaptop: internet options?
<raptop>
Well, no home internet at the moment...
* oeuf
pets raptop
* raptop
murrhs
* raptop
stabs things
* raptop
wonders why the vim install is missing things like colorschemes, and seems to silently eat commands like :bn
<SnoopJeDi>
raptop, is it actually vim?
<SnoopJeDi>
I mean, :bn should *probably* work everywhere, but there are things like vim-tiny and busybox's vim that are pared back
<raptop>
SnoopJeDi: it claims to be vim 7.4.1099
<raptop>
The help options mentioned in the start screen don't work o_O
<raptop>
...also, apparently I need to start it with 'vi'. Using 'vim' gets a command no found error.
<SnoopJeDi>
o.o
<raptop>
Oh, right. GMU uses RHEL, so we have yum, not apt-get