egg|principia|egg changed the topic of #kspmodders to: Welcome to #kspmooders | <Majiir> egg is pretty much just a chickenfetus until you start talking about floating point | <SilverFox> "little" doesn't seem like a real word to me right now
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<GlsFrg|phone>
so according to windows IME, my last name is 輪辺土流布
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<SilverFox>
alright im up
<SilverFox>
darklight, you were wrojg
<darklight>
What did I say?
<SilverFox>
korean ghost girls
<SilverFox>
dont remember what I dreamt about, but it was not that
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<xShadowx>
300 pound black kid shoots 130 pound white dude for allegedly beating him up a year earlier, black kid didnt report said beating because "cops dont investigate, they just eat donuts" - yaaaa he can talk o.O
<xShadowx>
why cant the world make sense...for just 1 day
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<darklight>
xShadowx because that would make sense
<darklight>
Haven't you seen that movie with the thought police?
<darklight>
That's what we should have! :P
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<xShadowx>
darklight: minority report?
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<Hyratel>
SilverFox, so you finally discover that one
<SilverFox>
yeah it's alright
<SilverFox>
not super great
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<darklight>
o/
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<darklight>
I got my plane to start and run for about 20 seconds, but I need to tune it and I am getting confused :P
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<kmath>
<ExpertDefense1> ?Déjà une fiche Wikipedia, ça sent le nouveau tableau dans la galerie des batailles du château de #Versailles… https://t.co/5GzaqBe1Nr
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<darklight>
Does the computer address these as direct me.o
<darklight>
*memory?
<darklight>
Also how many fucking lanes does that port eat
<darklight>
We already have computers where m.2 disables either sata or a pcie port
<Greys>
as I understand it, they're going to be exactly the same as m.2 but in a form factor that fits on the board and cools better
<Greys>
they'll connect via PCIe
<Greys>
it's not that m.2 disables either sata or pcie ports; it's that m.2 offers both sata and pcie ports for the device to connect as; it's using that one
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<Hyratel>
so dimm.2 implements two m.2 channels, m.2 implements PCIe, USB, SATA?
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<Greys>
USB?
<Greys>
I've not heard that part and can't imagine why they'd do it
<Hyratel>
the PCIe slot implements USB pins
<Greys>
that seems strange
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<Hyratel>
on review, I may be misremembering
<Greys>
I haven't done any research so whatever you say
<Hyratel>
correction: it's implemented in Mini PCIe
<StatutoryApe>
well your m.2 port usually supports sata and direct pcie for things like m.2 wifi/bluetooth controllers, because those aren't sata devices
<Hyratel>
m.2 implements PCIex1, SATA, USB 3.0
<StatutoryApe>
ostensibly dimm.2 is a way to get pcie ssds without having to make the slot implement direct pcie for devices like that
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<StatutoryApe>
plus the cooling factor
<Hyratel>
dimm.2 implements a pair of m.2 ports via a riser
<StatutoryApe>
I see
<StatutoryApe>
so the ports are still standard m.2, they're just on a riser, instead of flush with the board
<StatutoryApe>
fair enough
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<Hyratel>
okaythen
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<Hyratel>
okay
<StatutoryApe>
hmm... so that's what ^w does in hexchat
<Greys>
the m.2 riser seems to be an aftermarket kind of thing
<Hyratel>
Greys, except that it's a packaged-with riser card
<Hyratel>
so you can only use it with that board
<Greys>
with that ASUS motherboard yea but I was introduced to dimm.2 being an AMD thing
<Greys>
there aren't any dimm.2 formfactor storage devices on the market so ASUS made this riser so it would still seem valuable
<Hyratel>
well two m.2 devices in the same footprint as a stick of RAM seems pretty nice
<Greys>
for certain defintions of footprint
<Hyratel>
the height is less of an issue because it's got the full spacing of the RAM slots away from the socket
<Greys>
it's also 3 times thicker and meaningfully longer
<Greys>
if you didn't need the riser you could make literally ram sized sticks of non-volatile storage
<Greys>
side tangent, this "high end" motherbord has only 2 ram slots
<Hyratel>
use larger capacity sticks
<Greys>
well sure, except it means you cannot have a 3 channel setup
<Greys>
if it only had 3 I'd be like "sure bro", but everybody knows that 3 is more than 2 most of the time
<Greys>
"high end" is all about exploiting the uninformed demands of rich idiots who won't ever need you to perform as well as the norm
<Greys>
Hyratel, do you think we'll see SSDs fully replace spinning disks outside of user facing machines?
<Greys>
just thinking that dimm or m.2 format drives have a pretty great unit density advantage, especially in terms of cooling and maintenance
<Hyratel>
it depends on whether SSD media will ever see bulk size pricing compettitive with hysical disk media
<Greys>
one of our clients runs a very substantial cloud and I'd say about a third of the rack volume they occupy is 4U file servers housing probably 40ish 3.5" drives each
<Hyratel>
physical
<Hyratel>
in the 2-3 TB range
<Hyratel>
I mean yes, bulk buys will get it within 2-3x of physical media, but user-scale buys last I saw was still around 4x cost per GB
<Hyratel>
and the available sizes are not suited to drop-in replacement (yet)
<Greys>
SSDs are already replacing spinning discs in user-facing machines because they're more stable and smaller with sufficiently similar prices
<Hyratel>
only for lightweight or split-set, currectly
<Hyratel>
currently*
<Hyratel>
ie, Boot SSD, phys drive for games
<Greys>
a lot of people aren't putting them in desktops either
<Greys>
nah nah, ssd for games
<Hyratel>
then my information must be old
<Hyratel>
because my last look said they were still about 3x cost per GB with much lower size peaks (0-.5TB)
<Hyratel>
0.5*
<Greys>
true, but consumers in general don't need bulk storage like they used to think they did
<Hyratel>
Strongly disagree
<Greys>
games need to go on SSDs because the speed has a big impact on performance, the OS needs it for the same reason
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<Greys>
but if you don't have 200GB of music, or 5TB of movies, why have a spinning disk
<Greys>
I do, and all the streaming services fail to provide value to me
<Hyratel>
I've got a single 1TB HDD and it's 3/4 full, mostly of games
<Greys>
the highest end samsung 2.5" formfactor 1TB hard drive is 340$
<Greys>
now if you go with the substantially higher end NVMe M.2 960 EVO, then you're looking at 480 and up
<Greys>
if you don't go with the absolute best 2.5", mushkin has a 1TB for 270$
<Greys>
but most people don't need that
<Greys>
the average person can live on 256GB and streaming services
<Greys>
gamers aren't average and you should really look into having less installed, keep the installers on a big HDD, and keep the games you actually play on a reasonably priced quarterTB drive
<Greys>
I paid like 70$ for the 230GB my OS and games run on
<Greys>
and yes, I paid 50$ each for the 4TB NGSTs in my NAS raid
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<xShadowx>
my mom "but i dont want google to know everything about me" me "then dont use the internet"
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<Greys>
it's hard to find useful numbers on this
<Greys>
depending on which graph you trust, in the early ninties they expected the price per megabyte of HDDs to reach zero in 2004, or the 4 year cost of maintaining and operating a TB in a datacenter would cross in 2016 and roughly stabilize in 2017 with SSDs becoming about 30% of HDD
<Hyratel>
my storage is better than my stream throughput
<Hyratel>
also I'm capped but it's generous
<Hyratel>
300GB/mo or something like
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<Greys>
huge advantage of tape drives, they're extremely stable, very dense, and cost zero energy when not in use, so the operation cost doesn't include the same kind of electrical or cooling considerations
<Greys>
Hyratel, surely there is a way to back up steam games?
<Hyratel>
on 'other storage' but 1x HDD is relatively cheap
<Hyratel>
1x 1TB
<Hyratel>
$60
<Hyratel>
you're talking "$200 for 512GB is cheap" hahaha no
<Hyratel>
I'm still using an 8 yr old CPU because I'm fuck broke
<Greys>
300 for 1TB
<Hyratel>
my point remains
<Greys>
probably 140$ for 512
<Hyratel>
that's 5x ppGB
<Hyratel>
that's luxury not competitive
<Greys>
I'm very very tired of dealing with angry people; so I'm just going to stop talking
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<Hyratel>
i'm not angry just poor
<Hyratel>
well I am angry because i'm poor but that's another discussion entirely
<Greys>
I know, it sucks
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<Greys>
just saying, in an ideal middleclass world, the games you play are on an SSD; and if you don't build the machine yourself there's gonna be a point in like two or three years when you won't be able to get it with an HDD
<Greys>
SilverFox, Arin beat Ganon Ganon first try
<Greys>
less ganon ganon seems like it might be a QTE
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<Greys>
I want a zelda where ganon is a complex entity trying to achieve what he believes is good
<Greys>
Arin spent like 10 minutes shooting the glowy spots with the wrong bow
<Greys>
dark beast gannon is much less threatening
<Greys>
for such a beautiful game, the fight with ganon is a visual clusterfuck of incomprehensibility
<Greys>
man between the destruction of ganon's immortal soul and the after credits scene; zelda put on like 30lbs
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<Greys>
does "netflix and chill" refer to sex or drugs
<r4m0n>
mostly sex AFAIK
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<SilverFox>
"Lady's don't have groins" mmmmmkay
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<Hyratel>
I want to like Starmade but the performance is very CPU bound and it chugs hard on my system; there's no pause function in SP so you can't just Step Away; the UI is better than it used to be but it's still a very high learning curve