egg|principia|egg changed the topic of #kspmodders to: Welcome to #kspmooders | <Majiir> egg is pretty much just a chickenfetus until you start talking about floating point | <SilverFox> "little" doesn't seem like a real word to me right now
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<G-Mobile>
SilverFox: yes
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<SilverFox>
G-Mobile, the game so far is some semblance of fun, if i had randomly spawning targets and comtrols it'd be great
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<G-Mobile>
SilverFox: cool
<SilverFox>
it's kinda neat to adjust the values and see how far it goes
<G-Mobile>
and you've got the whole "you're shooting at stuff you cant see" part, right?
<SilverFox>
well, if the target is anywhere past about 300-400m then yeah
<SilverFox>
so perhaps what I'll do is spawn a target, and have an arrow above the turret to show the direction, give you the distance, and then you can work it out
<SilverFox>
there are 3 types of munitions so far that I can implement, capsule, sphere, cube
<SilverFox>
capsule does a few flips before stopping, sphere likes to roll lots, cube doesn't like moving lots after it hits the ground
<SilverFox>
sphere would be good to get into tunnels and shit
<SilverFox>
cube would have more drag, but would be more accurate in its landing site
<SilverFox>
~temp 0c
<FoxBot9000>
SilverFox, having a hard time parsing that one...
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<G-Mobile>
Ok so you've got the shootery, what should be next
<SilverFox>
making some damn controls
<G-Mobile>
Ok sure
<Tank2333>
Kill people
<G-Mobile>
I kinda want to make it all in game interaction, like myst
<G-Mobile>
so have like levers and dials that you fiddle with to cause the cannon to move
<SilverFox>
yeah well that can suck a dick
<SilverFox>
I have to deal with unity being shit
<SilverFox>
at some power levels the damn shell phases through the ground
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<Tank2333>
Sounds annoying in the long run
<SilverFox>
it is, because I'll have to make a person whom you play
<SilverFox>
and do art assets and shit
<SilverFox>
and make levers and dials
<SilverFox>
fuck that
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<G-Mobile>
Ok then how about the gun is a vehicle you can get in and out if, and its controls are only active when you're in it, like ksp and kerbals
<SilverFox>
still fuck that at this point
<SilverFox>
arrow keys to rotate the artillery cannon and tilt it, done
<G-Mobile>
ok then ksp pitch/yaw/throttle keybinds
<G-Mobile>
never use the fucking arrow keys what is this 1978?
<SilverFox>
I can send you the code and you can feel free to bind the controls yourself
<SilverFox>
however, I'm just trying to get the thing working
<GlsFrg|phone>
use the pre-defined horizontal and vertical axis...
<GlsFrg|phone>
that will pick up wasd and gamepads by default
<GlsFrg|phone>
think of the peasants!
<SilverFox>
show me the api shit for that
<GlsFrg|phone>
input.getaxis or so
<G-Mobile>
So 0.1, it exists, 0.2, controls, 0.3 having targets and being able to shoot them?
<GlsFrg|phone>
ehm you can start numbering when it starts resemblig a game
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<G-Mobile>
Why?
<G-Mobile>
Milestones are always useful
<G-Mobile>
also this wont necessarily ever resemble a game
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<G-Mobile>
who did the ksp weapons mod? They might have useful thoughts about improving collision behavior with fast small projectiles
<SilverFox>
BahamutD
<G-Mobile>
he seemed nice, is he dead?
<SilverFox>
idk, maybe
<GlsFrg|phone>
log the position each frame, then raycast between current and last frame?
<G-Mobile>
I dont know when in the plan it should go in, but there will need to be blast area considerations on most of the ammo types, and until that gets added it will be overly cumbersome to hit normal sized targets
<SilverFox>
my goal is: shoot at big target, if it lands inside, you win
<SilverFox>
however Im currently dealing with a bug with how the turret is angled
<G-Mobile>
that works
<SilverFox>
ughhh right, this is fucking quats
<G-Mobile>
so then later on we can work on modeled targets and then blast areas will be necessary
<SilverFox>
dont get your hopes up, this project is only continuing because I havent hit a major bug yet
<SilverFox>
okay, got cannon tilt controls working, now to rotate the thing
<G-Mobile>
i just want to get to the point where theres a map and the player recieves messages describing the location of the target, and the player figures it out from there
<SilverFox>
well, I had planned for a button to say "Spawn New Target" and it gives you the direction and distance
<G-Mobile>
Right, but in the game it shouldnt give either of those
<SilverFox>
welp, cannon tilt controls is harder than I imagined
<G-Mobile>
it should only show you where you and it are on a map
<G-Mobile>
but thats later
<SilverFox>
there's no later until I can figure out this damn rotation issue
<G-Mobile>
Btw, new nanaca highscore on this machine, 9639.7
<darklight>
Now I just need ailerons and some crossed fingers that it's not too heavy when I chuck the thing, It will fly but the question is how well
<SilverFox>
or you could weigh it and do the calcs
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<darklight>
Or I could throw it and know for sure :P
<SilverFox>
and have it crash and waste money
<darklight>
So long as it feels like it has enough power and the control surfaces work, and the CG is in the right place (it will be, I glue the wings on last), it should fly
<darklight>
The only thing I'm worried about is I have no rudder and I don't know if the vstab is big enough, but meh, I can always fix both those problems later if needed :P
<SilverFox>
that and that it doesnt tilt right anymore
<SilverFox>
also, it falls through the ground
<SilverFox>
if I turn off gravity, it goes flying
<G-Mobile>
Clear all your scale and rotation factors
<GlsFrg|phone>
G-Mobile: so why does this have to be done by monday
<G-Mobile>
points
<SilverFox>
dont ask stupid questions
<SilverFox>
stay focused
<GlsFrg|phone>
don't give stupid answers
<G-Mobile>
what kind of answers would be left?
<SilverFox>
it's fucking arbitrary meaningless
<SilverFox>
now I cant tilt the cannon without the top of it staying flat on top
<SilverFox>
this is the fucky shit that goes down
<G-Mobile>
I'll help tonightmorrow, and get you some nice hexagonal assets, just dont burn out before then
<GlsFrg|phone>
I'm like 15 minutes from home, will join in too
<SilverFox>
I'm on the edge of burnout if I can't fix this fucking rotation issue
<SilverFox>
I dont give a shit about assets
<G-Mobile>
so put it down for now
<SilverFox>
damn thing wont work if we cant sort out getting the cannon to move properly
<SilverFox>
ima watch porn, fuck this
<G-Mobile>
chill off, have a wank, go kiss a girl and canabalize a donut
<SilverFox>
naw ima just shoot some capsules out
<SilverFox>
it's kinda neat
<SilverFox>
Greys, one thing I can set, what should the size of the playing field be, in km sqr
<G-Mobile>
whats rational
<SilverFox>
well, at 200 power I just shot the fucker a good 14km
<SilverFox>
althought Im just fucking around
<G-Mobile>
I think some of the best computerized artillery can fire accurately on targets 26km away
<G-Mobile>
is that rational for the engine
<SilverFox>
yeah well, each integer point of power makes a ~15 meter difference
<SilverFox>
lemme test that
<G-Mobile>
basically whats the positional position loss from being 26km away from the origin
<G-Mobile>
floating point loss
<G-Mobile>
precision
<G-Mobile>
words
<GlsFrg|phone>
I think floating point is about nine digits, so with five before the decimal dot you have four left behind, that should be plenty
<G-Mobile>
I want a graph of this but if a 30x30km square is rational for the engine, I think that should be "normal", but a lot of guns cant shut that far so once guns have performance constraints smaller maps will be fine too, and multiplayer may need bigger maps
<G-Mobile>
GlsFrg|phone: googling it about unity suggests thier FP only have 7.2 digits
<SilverFox>
go graph that and get the launch power curve
<G-Mobile>
unity is a clusterfuck so having a decimal should be stupid but I'll take it
<G-Mobile>
no I meant graph of FP precision
<SilverFox>
reminder, you can have decimal places in the power setting
<SilverFox>
m8 idk how to test that shit right now
<G-Mobile>
Workdotime bbl
<SilverFox>
just shot at 1000 power
<SilverFox>
this thing is fucking FLYING
<SilverFox>
120km distance
<SilverFox>
still going
<SilverFox>
not even on the way down yet
<SilverFox>
oh shit
<SilverFox>
unity just told me to calm down with the range
<SilverFox>
due to floating point precision
<G-Mobile>
Dude what if we implimented krakensbane so the bullet is always at origin so there's no functional range limit in flight
<SilverFox>
how bout you implement that
<SilverFox>
we still have a cannon rotation problem
<G-Mobile>
we'd still run into problems with force/momentum precision
<SilverFox>
we'd still run into cannon rotation problems
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<SilverFox>
250km
<SilverFox>
this thing is an icbm
<SilverFox>
now its starting to come down
<SilverFox>
145km upwards
<SilverFox>
300km
<SilverFox>
this one's definitely going to phase into the ground
<G-Mobile>
When we get to like, .17, we should make it so if you pass 100km, the ground goes away and the sky turns to a starfield, then at 200km the ground comes back and its the mooooon
<SilverFox>
oh GlsFrg|phone you mentioned using raycasting to figure out if we collide with the ground, however, there are sphere bombs that can roll
<SilverFox>
G-Mobile, but we'd still have cannon rotation problems
<GlsFrg|phone>
make them slow as fuck then
<SilverFox>
that's for air drag to do
<SilverFox>
so far there isnt drag on them
<SilverFox>
because idk how to drag
<darklight>
AddForce
<SilverFox>
orrr I could just adjust the drag value
<SilverFox>
darklight, im not vas levels of retarded
<darklight>
Unity does drag? wat
<SilverFox>
yeah
<SilverFox>
its a variable attached to rigidbodies
<G-Mobile>
SilverFox: we're at .2, playbility
<SilverFox>
yeah
<G-Mobile>
.17 is a ways down the road
<SilverFox>
cant add drag because we'd still have cannon rotation problems
<darklight>
Figure out how to parent
<GlassYuri>
wow fuck japan post's redelivery system
<darklight>
Fuck japans address system
<GlassYuri>
with couriers you just throw a number at their website and they'll be back in the next few hours, post won't deliver today even though it's just 19:00
<SilverFox>
darklight fuck you i know how to parent, it just fucks everything up
<darklight>
Or you're just a bad
<SilverFox>
it fucks with scaling and rotation
<darklight>
You aren't fiddling with wxyz values are you?
<SilverFox>
and makes the ends of the cannon all fucky
<SilverFox>
makes em point toward the up direction rather than the forward with cannon direction
<darklight>
Sooo... Is america more soverign by pulling out of the paris agreement?
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<Tank2333>
darklight yes
<Tank2333>
More coalmines
<Tank2333>
People wil love it
* darklight
is watching the news
<darklight>
How the fuck is australia committed to paris
<Tank2333>
His announcment speech was terrible
<darklight>
We mine coal, our power is mostly coal
<darklight>
We won't even touch nuclear
<darklight>
So what we gonna do?...
<Tank2333>
It was only signed 2 years ago
<Tank2333>
Go solar...
<darklight>
Expensive as fuck
<Tank2333>
So what?
<darklight>
Solar is not worth it currently
<darklight>
Do you want to pay a dollar a kwh? :P
<Tank2333>
If we can finance 100% renewble with it.. yes
<SilverFox>
we already do
<darklight>
Power here is 22c/kwh which is expensive for a developed country
<Tank2333>
It is not
<SilverFox>
I wouldnt pay stupid amounts per kWh, save that for the later generations
<Tank2333>
We have 30 euro cents
<SilverFox>
30 pent?
<darklight>
Nuclear is like the only real option for shittons of carbon free power
<darklight>
Obviously hydro is good too but the landscape needs to be setup for it
<SilverFox>
nuclear is great
<darklight>
wind and solar are a joke
<SilverFox>
especially if it's designed recently
<darklight>
I can see why this shit started in france given they are like 90% nuclear and sell power to other countries :P
<SilverFox>
we sell ALL our power to quebec for cheap
<Tank2333>
I think in the long run we should get away from nuclear
<SilverFox>
I think we should go full force nuclear
<darklight>
I think the long run is fusion, if it works
<SilverFox>
well that's under nuclear
<G-Mobile>
;c 2^23
<kmath_>
G-Mobile: 8388608.0
<G-Mobile>
Hmmmmmm
<Tank2333>
And where do we dump the waste?
<G-Mobile>
the moon
<SilverFox>
ocean
<G-Mobile>
subspace
<G-Mobile>
fusion reactors
<Tank2333>
As nuclear power startet in the 50s they said we figure it out in the near future
<G-Mobile>
chernobyl
<Tank2333>
Ocean? That was already done and it was banned
<G-Mobile>
LETS JUST PUMP CHERNOBYL FULL OF RADIOACTIVE WASTE
<Tank2333>
Godzilla and stuff
<Tank2333>
G-Mobile chernobyl is too small to contain the waste
<SilverFox>
you sure about that?
<darklight>
We bury it in aboriginal areas, ezpz
<SilverFox>
the sun
<Tank2333>
We are talking about millions of tons
<Tank2333>
Metric tons
<SilverFox>
a fuckton?
<SilverFox>
a METRIC FUCKTON?
<G-Mobile>
ayrs rock is secretly a capstone to a 15 mile deep 300 meter wide hole, we put the waste there
<Tank2333>
Exactly
<SilverFox>
wait
<SilverFox>
I KNOW
<SilverFox>
I FIGURED IT OUT
<SilverFox>
lets nuke north korea
<G-Mobile>
tank, yanno metric tonnes and short tones are roughly equivalent
<darklight>
Also I wasn't kidding about the aboriginal area
<SilverFox>
and put all the waste there
<G-Mobile>
;wa 1 tonne to tons
<kmath_>
G-Mobile: convert 1 t (metric ton) to short tons: 1.102 sh tn (short tons)
<darklight>
It was on the news sometime
<darklight>
Other countries are like "you sold it to us, you take the waste"
<Tank2333>
Thats a cheapout tactic
<darklight>
Get fucked :P
<SilverFox>
okay wait
<SilverFox>
with the experience the us will get from wall building
<SilverFox>
we can make a giant container in the ocean where atlantis is
<SilverFox>
and put it there
<Tank2333>
Lol
<Tank2333>
Right
<darklight>
Obviously nuclear has problems and that's why I'm fine that we don't have it
<G-Mobile>
so, how does a floating point represent a negative value with a decimal component
<Tank2333>
Container out of what
<darklight>
But don't jerk yourselves silly over wind and solar either
<Tank2333>
Trumpium
<Tank2333>
Chinesium
<G-Mobile>
arcordin to this site the significand is unsigned
<Tank2333>
Well my state has the capaicity to do it
<egg|df|egg>
there's a sign bit
<Tank2333>
But we have only 7 million peoples
<SilverFox>
and thus egg appears at hte mention of floats
<Tank2333>
Lol
<SilverFox>
the prophecy was correct
<SilverFox>
hail the chickenfetus
<Tank2333>
The motd is right
<egg|df|egg>
there's a sign bit, an exponent, and a mantissa; in IEEE 754 binary floating point, the leading 1 of the mantissa is not represented, only the bits after that
<egg|df|egg>
and the exponent is stored with an offset, so that small values represent a negative exponent
<egg|df|egg>
0 represents denormals iirc, and all ones is either infinity or NaN
<egg|df|egg>
that's binary32, binary64 is mostly the same but with moar bits (52 represented bits of mantissa for a 53 bit mantissa)
<egg|df|egg>
Tank2333: ...
<SilverFox>
I thought it was a standards thing
<egg|df|egg>
IEEE?
<Qboid>
egg|df|egg: [IEEE] => Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers
<G-Mobile>
what language is a mantissa
<SilverFox>
ayyyyyy
<SilverFox>
manteessa
<Tank2333>
I was right
<egg|df|egg>
Tank2333: some IEEE standards are about networking
<egg|df|egg>
Tank2333: others are not
<egg|df|egg>
this one is not
<SilverFox>
are double and float different standards, or just a subset?
<Tank2333>
Just subset
<egg|df|egg>
"double" is the C-family name for binary64, which is one of the formats defined by IEEE 754
<SilverFox>
aight, so subset
<egg|df|egg>
some languages call it long float
<egg|df|egg>
there's binary32 (aka "float")
<Tank2333>
Thats what she said
<SilverFox>
isnt there also a short float?
<egg|df|egg>
for storage only, not arithmetic
<egg|df|egg>
binary16
<G-Mobile>
egg, does the significand start at 0 or 1
<darklight>
Also someone needs op to jigger with topic
<egg|df|egg>
G-Mobile: ?
<darklight>
Majiir uas let us down
<darklight>
*has
<egg|df|egg>
G-Mobile: I do not understand your question
<SilverFox>
Majiir is intermittently dead
<G-Mobile>
Egg, is the maximum value of the significant 2^23 or 2^23-1
<egg|df|egg>
G-Mobile: can we talk about binary64? I am not used to the numbers in binary32
<egg|df|egg>
so, you have 52 bits
<egg|df|egg>
plus the implicit 1 for normalized numbers
<egg|df|egg>
so these can represent mantissae from 1<52 0s> to <53 1s>
<angavrilov>
G-Mobile: mantissa is a fractional number - you can have numbers with a 'decimal point' even in binary
<egg|df|egg>
and then for denormals, you don't get the implicit 1
<G-Mobile>
The important part is whether the max is a power of two, or one less than the power of two
<egg|df|egg>
the maximal value of the mantissa is all ones
<egg|df|egg>
(plus the implicit one)
<G-Mobile>
Of the significand
<angavrilov>
what is significand
<egg|df|egg>
why do you keep bringing in the word significand
<SilverFox>
the fuck is a significand?
<angavrilov>
there is sign, mantissa and exponent
<SilverFox>
^^^
<G-Mobile>
the integer you apply the exponent to
<egg|df|egg>
that's the mantissa
<egg|df|egg>
please call it the mantissa
<G-Mobile>
significand
<angavrilov>
you don't apply the exponent to an integer
<SilverFox>
reeeeeeeeeeeeee
<egg|df|egg>
lest the wrath of the egg be upon you
<G-Mobile>
your french wrath is no good in murkastan
<egg|df|egg>
also what angavrilov said: it's a number of the form 1.<bits> or 0.<bits> for denormals
<GlassYuri>
grilverfox, should I do this in unreal or unity, unity would have the advantage that we're doing the same thing, unreal would mean fairness because I'd have no slight fucking idea of what I'm doing
<SilverFox>
unity
<SilverFox>
its better if you know what you're doing
<SilverFox>
make a cylinder cannon
<SilverFox>
find a way to have it tilt like a cannon, and rotate like a cannon
<darklight>
Parenting.
<darklight>
Single axis rotation
<SilverFox>
so tilt up and down, then rotate around at the base
<SilverFox>
do that, show me your solution, and i'll implement it
<egg|df|egg>
also why do we have no ops
<egg|df|egg>
who did that
<SilverFox>
Majiir died
<SilverFox>
again
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<darklight>
And greys has a deop script
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<egg|df|egg>
but * ChanServ gives channel operator status to egg|df|egg ?
* egg|df|egg
is confused
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<darklight>
You have op.
<egg|df|egg>
ah it's just my client not showing the green dot thing
<darklight>
But nobody trolls topic
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<G-Mobile>
anya yall know how in excell to get the exponent of a number in scientific notation
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<darklight>
Cell formatting?
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<G-Mobile>
function
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egg changed the topic of #kspmodders to: Welcome to #kspmooders | <Majiir> egg is pretty much just a chickenfetus until you start talking about floating point | <SilverFox> and thus egg appears at hte mention of floats
<G-Mobile>
ah, int(log())
<darklight>
I don't think sf needs floating point, I think sf needs floats so he doesn't die in the shower
<G-Mobile>
Welp, broke excel
<G-Mobile>
-32-6=-3.8e1
<darklight>
Why are you using excel?
<G-Mobile>
Graaaaaphs
<SilverFox>
graaaaaaaaaaapherinos
<darklight>
Gnuplot? :P
<SilverFox>
my bets are that greys is on a mac
<G-Mobile>
so if I'm not entirely wrong, with meters as the base unit, below 83,886 meters from origin, the projectile would have a positional precision of 1 centimeter or better
<G-Mobile>
SilverFox: my work uses macs
<SilverFox>
remmeber these targets are rather large
<SilverFox>
1cm is excessive
<SilverFox>
within 1m is fine
<darklight>
Greys you're not taking into account integration areas jnless your flight path is a function
<G-Mobile>
Areas or errors?
<darklight>
Wow
<darklight>
errors
<darklight>
I..
<SilverFox>
go to bed
<darklight>
I have no idea how I ballsed that up
<darklight>
I'm not even tired, not even close
<G-Mobile>
SilverFox: this scales linearly, to reduce precision by two digits, increase range by two digits
<SilverFox>
so there ye go
<G-Mobile>
meter precision within 8.3 million meters
<SilverFox>
however, unity editor says that to reduce error you should get gud, at around 100km
<G-Mobile>
still, I think we wont have the angle precision or force precision to make 10k-km play function
<SilverFox>
80km playful is fine, we still have cannon rotation issues
<SilverFox>
playfield
<G-Mobile>
;wa angular width of 1 meter from 8388608 meters away
<kmath_>
G-Mobile: Wolfram couldn't understand your gibberish
<G-Mobile>
6.8302e-6
<G-Mobile>
No player is going to put up with that
<SilverFox>
what
<SilverFox>
the fuck are you on abouyt
<G-Mobile>
to shift the canon so that at 8.3 million meters it lands one meter to the left, you would have to rotate it .00000683 counter clockwise
<SilverFox>
I will try this, what part is the cannon, the cube?
<GlassFragments>
the cannon is the empty that the cylinder and the turret empty are parented to
<GlassFragments>
then the turret empty contains the cube and the barrel empty
<GlassFragments>
and the barrel contains the other cylinder
<G-Mobile>
if you had a 15 centimeter dial to adjust this gun, you would need to rotate a mark on the outside by about 20 nanometers to move 1 meter at 80km
<GlassFragments>
so the empties are not fucked in any way by scale
<G-Mobile>
15 centimeter -- radius
<GlassFragments>
why are we up to 80km now
<G-Mobile>
up?
<GlassFragments>
used to be 26km...
<G-Mobile>
26km is real world, this is the practicality in numbers for engine and interaction considerations
<SilverFox>
also it seems you aren't up to date on how the unity shits is recommended to be accessed; turret.GetComponent<Transform>().Rotate();
<GlassFragments>
stick with ranges at which you can see ingame, and mount the cannon on anime steampunk airships
<SilverFox>
apparently .transform is getting depreciated or some shit
<G-Mobile>
unity FPs can handle the distances we want just fine, but it would be unreasonable for the player to operate
<GlassFragments>
SilverFox, if unity developers had everything they depreacted for no real reason up their ass they would be dying very painfully
<GlassFragments>
I can see them depreacting the other shorthands but every gameobject needs a transform and you need it like very fucking often
<SilverFox>
yuuuuuuup
<G-Mobile>
Even at 27km the control dials would be fuckin massive to adjust by a meter
<GlassFragments>
by all logic .transform should also outperform GetComponent<transform>()
<SilverFox>
okay so wtf is the gameobject that's called "turret"?
<SilverFox>
it says "none"
<darklight>
Sf why didn't you save a reference? Or is transform a struct?
<G-Mobile>
We need more than just lever based movement multiplication, we need like, precision gear drives and worms
<GlassFragments>
SilverFox, have you ever been browsing some image site for cats and then suddenly seen a human hand which an object has attempted to pass through? because that's what I was reminded of when I saw your code
<GlassFragments>
SilverFox, assign them in the editor
<GlassFragments>
drag it from the outline into the component, make sure not to let go of the mouse or you'll dragdrop the object who knows where
<SilverFox>
im guessing that happened to you
<GlassFragments>
also using the tit button to select an object will only give an empty list
<SilverFox>
also does that input.getaxis bullshit work with arrow keys?
<GlassFragments>
yeah
<SilverFox>
there's a tit button?
<SilverFox>
neat
<GlassFragments>
the o with a . in the middle which somehow stands for selecting an asset
<SilverFox>
lemme see if I can find that
<GlassFragments>
you can see me use wasd and arrow keys in the video, except that you can't
<SilverFox>
oh i see it
<SilverFox>
k so I gots me a cylinder
<GlassFragments>
the visuals shouldn't be the main hierarchy
<SilverFox>
i rotated it and scaled it, but should I do such before parenting, or after?
<GlassFragments>
create three empties and arrange them as cannon containing turret containing barrel
<GlassFragments>
if you use the exact code I used the names don't matter
<GlassFragments>
then add the script to the cannon, and drag the objects into the component settings
<GlassFragments>
G-Mobile, what do you think of the idea of adjusting strength by having the player hand load the cannon with pulver packages
<SilverFox>
m8 fuck that you can program that shit yourself
<G-Mobile>
Later
<SilverFox>
lets see if I can fix all this code to get it working
<G-Mobile>
proof of concept first
<GlassFragments>
SilverFox, yeah and then put it in my portfolio and get a job because of it
<SilverFox>
whatever works for you dude
<SilverFox>
I want 1% of your salary tho
<G-Mobile>
mechanically, I love it, it forces the player into certain quantities and thus will have to play with inclination to hit with the propellant macks they can load
<G-Mobile>
packs
<GlassFragments>
G-Mobile, the only issue I see is having the player muzzle-load it by stuffing a cannon ball in a barrel, that'll give you fucked physics guaranteed
<GlassFragments>
if you breech load it you need some nice assets and animations for it
<GlassFragments>
you could also have a NPC loading crew to eliminiate the physics and take the animations beyond what we can possibly do
<G-Mobile>
It can be snap action, minimal physics stuff
<GlassFragments>
that's boring as fuck
<SilverFox>
so I have a problem
<SilverFox>
the up and down didnt work, probably because I offset the x rotation on the barrel 90 degrees
<G-Mobile>
Yea, but fuxky physics toys are only fun when they're built to exploit the fuckery
<G-Mobile>
which is basically goat simulator
<GlassFragments>
SilverFox, then exchange the vector, mine is probably poorly chosen
<SilverFox>
yeah I dont know what vector to replace it with
<SilverFox>
up and forward are the only two I know of
<GlassFragments>
if you have the tray designed so that the shell falls right in and have it transition from physics to cinematic when the ram pushes it into the barrel it might work
<GlassFragments>
left I think
<G-Mobile>
GlassFragments: ideally long term we'll have multiple gun assets and performance implications, most will be breach loaders
<GlassFragments>
but do you agree on the anime steampunk/retro-scifi setting?
<G-Mobile>
I'm not gonna sign off on a visual style sight unseen, but it's easy enough to make this part easily modable
<SilverFox>
GlassFragments, one problem with your code
<SilverFox>
how do I limit it so you can aim the turret into the ground?
<SilverFox>
cant*
<GlassFragments>
working on that
<SilverFox>
alright cool, thanks
<GlassFragments>
that was only to demonstrate input and correct rotation
<SilverFox>
right
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<SilverFox>
also, the angle seems to be slowly moving downward
<SilverFox>
at a rate of 0.0001 degrees per second
<SilverFox>
Greys probably deems this unplayable
<G-Mobile>
Murder
<SilverFox>
750 launch power
<SilverFox>
lets gooooo
<SilverFox>
1km/s
<SilverFox>
oh right, I also have a rocketshell script too
<G-Mobile>
on the list, muzzle velocity meter
<SilverFox>
so the damn things can be rocket powered
<G-Mobile>
Where are you 'launching' the projectile from?
<SilverFox>
the cannon
<G-Mobile>
Where on it
<SilverFox>
the cannon's position
<GlassFragments>
should I also add rotation limits while we're at it?
<SilverFox>
no
<SilverFox>
full 360 rotation
<G-Mobile>
is this like where in bad FPS the bullets shoot out of the camera?
<GlassFragments>
optional I meant...
<SilverFox>
I mean, sure, but I wont use it
<SilverFox>
not now
<SilverFox>
alright bois, 1000 launch power
<SilverFox>
that pretty much twice the speed
<G-Mobile>
SilverFox: can you get a screencap and draw a dot or something on the point where the bullet starts
<SilverFox>
i have no idea where the shell starts
<SilverFox>
I know it's not at the tip
<SilverFox>
probs the middle of the cannon shaft
<G-Mobile>
when you say cannon do you mean the barrel or more than that?
<SilverFox>
cannon. shaft.
<SilverFox>
the thing in which it shoots from
<G-Mobile>
Ok, so the origin of the canon is fine
<SilverFox>
right in the middle probably
<SilverFox>
and at low powers it phases through the bottom and just falls
<SilverFox>
1000 power got me an icbm that goes 390km
<GlassFragments>
I changed the elevation to rotate around vector3.right so please check if that works or not
<SilverFox>
-50 power just shoves it into the ground
<SilverFox>
I used left
<GlassFragments>
I also did but it put my barrel into the ground
<SilverFox>
sounds great
<GlassFragments>
oh shit I think I pointed mine backwards
<GlassFragments>
do you have your barrel pointing in direction of the blue arrow?
<SilverFox>
yeah, z axis
<GlassFragments>
I have mine pointing away from it
<SilverFox>
can we limit to 5 degrees instead of 15?
<G-Mobile>
obvsle
<GlassFragments>
you can limit to anythign with my script
<SilverFox>
uhh, I cant turn the turret now wtf
<SilverFox>
there we go
<GlassFragments>
having the barrel backwards has the advantage of x rotation being 1:1 elevation
<GlassFragments>
however you should never touch that directly anyway
<GlassFragments>
so, z forward it is
<SilverFox>
Greys, do you have a windows machine at work to play test?
<SilverFox>
thanks for the help GF
<SilverFox>
now we can move onto target generation
<GlassFragments>
dude my cannon doesn't shoot yet
<SilverFox>
oh thats easy
<GlassFragments>
yeah
<SilverFox>
you want to just sync up projects or something?
<GlassFragments>
...I guess?
<GlassFragments>
although I doubt we have the same goal, but sharing some assets and code would be nice
<SilverFox>
foor the launch codes this is what I have: GameObject.Find("Shell").GetComponent<Rigidbody>().AddForce(this.GetComponent<Transform>().up * (Main.cannonPower * 100f));
<SilverFox>
and this works for the cannon at all orientations?
<GlassYuri>
...it takes the orientation from the muzzle object
<SilverFox>
right
<GlassYuri>
which is a child of the barrel object
<SilverFox>
but I see you have Vector3.Forward
<SilverFox>
rather than the Vector3.Up
<GlassYuri>
because we established that cannons point forward
<SilverFox>
okay now for some fucked up reason it's manipulating my initial CapsuleShell gameobject when it shouldnt
<SilverFox>
there's some super fucky shit going on
<SilverFox>
and then, after it gets fired the first time, every other firing just points the camera at it being about 50m to the side of the cannon diagonally
<SilverFox>
I use Instantiate so it should be fucky like this
<SilverFox>
shouldnt*
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<SilverFox>
like wtf this is stupid
<G-Mobile>
Excitement always happens now
<SilverFox>
like, sexual?
<G-Mobile>
the new slogan for six flags
<SilverFox>
its normal to be on a schedule for that
<G-Mobile>
(Six flags is a lesser themepark franchise in the united states)
<SilverFox>
yes I know what six flags is
<G-Mobile>
But does GlsFrg|phone
<SilverFox>
probably
<G-Mobile>
or r0b4c9
<SilverFox>
who the fuck is that
<SilverFox>
they dont matter
<G-Mobile>
They matter hardest
<SilverFox>
mostest*
<SilverFox>
"hard" is not a word you can apply to "matter"
<SilverFox>
lol
<darklight>
They matter bigly
<SilverFox>
ew gtfo
<RandomJeb>
I learned something new today
<SilverFox>
whats that?
<RandomJeb>
six flags is a lesser theme park franchise in the united states
<SilverFox>
fucking kek
<SilverFox>
how is it a lesser theme park?
<SilverFox>
what are greater theme parks?
<RandomJeb>
disneyland
<SilverFox>
oh right that exists
<RandomJeb>
bigly
<SilverFox>
you know what the highest of culinary masterpeices is?
<SilverFox>
rice and cream of mushroom soup
<darklight>
I like creamy mushroom sauce :3
* darklight
clap claps silverfox
<SilverFox>
okay I just realized, everytime they say "Signal" in Twice's Signal MV, it's different
<SilverFox>
like, come to a fuckin consensus on how to butcher it, ya sloots
<GlassYuri>
why is hong kong on there twice, right next to itself
<darklight>
I think you mean better
<darklight>
We don't even have a decent bus service here
<GlassYuri>
and completely different
<SilverFox>
GlassYuri, does nipponese have different words for rice, one being uncooked, another being cooked?
<darklight>
Can we give glass op
<SilverFox>
no
<SilverFox>
only majiir can kick me
<GlassYuri>
darklight, finally someone says it
<SilverFox>
give me op
<SilverFox>
see how well that goes
<darklight>
Glass you need it
<SilverFox>
why
<GlassYuri>
GlassYuri4Führer2017
<GlassYuri>
yeah why do I need it
<darklight>
I am incapable of ops as I'd troll topic, and I always try to break lines :P
<darklight>
So you can kick sf
<darklight>
When he mentions nippon
<SilverFox>
inferior nippon*
<darklight>
Oh I'm thinking tk
<SilverFox>
yeah
<SilverFox>
TK already has ops
<SilverFox>
however, glass is my japanese dictionary, TK i use for cultural stuff
<SilverFox>
also im glass's mandarin teacher
<TheKosmonaut>
What?
<SilverFox>
curious if japanese has two words for rice, uncooked and cooked forms, like korean does
<darklight>
tk give glass ops
<TheKosmonaut>
no
<SilverFox>
pfffffffffffftlol
<TheKosmonaut>
SilverFox: And wait
<TheKosmonaut>
Well it depends
<SilverFox>
on?
<TheKosmonaut>
I guess; okome can be uncooked rice
<TheKosmonaut>
gohan is cooked rice
<SilverFox>
nice
<TheKosmonaut>
But gohan is also used to refer to meals in general as well
<SilverFox>
interesting
<GlassYuri>
tk give me ops
<darklight>
Why does gohan sound like a dragonball z character
<SilverFox>
because it's a two syllable name
<TheKosmonaut>
darklight: Because there’s a DBZ cahracter with the name Gohan
<SilverFox>
also that
<TheKosmonaut>
GlassYuri: 何で？
<SilverFox>
oh TK, are you still studying korean?
<TheKosmonaut>
SilverFox: Dropped off a bit because my possible work trip to Korea was scrubed
<TheKosmonaut>
scrubbed
<GlassYuri>
楽しそうから
<SilverFox>
sucks
<SilverFox>
that first char looks neat as shit
<TheKosmonaut>
GlassYuri: wwダメ
<TheKosmonaut>
SilverFox: Funny thing about that character
<TheKosmonaut>
楽し = Tanoshi = Fun
<SilverFox>
oh, I saw a character that looked like ichi does, was it ichi, or is there a syllable that uses the same character?
<SilverFox>
like, just a single horizontal line
<GlassYuri>
*楽しい
<TheKosmonaut>
you add a character bit on top which means grass and it becomes
<TheKosmonaut>
薬
<TheKosmonaut>
which is medicine
<SilverFox>
grass fun?
<TheKosmonaut>
DANK WEEEDDDDDDDD
<SilverFox>
I mean, alright
<SilverFox>
noice
<TheKosmonaut>
GlassYuri: I fucking hate typing in Japanese on my computer
<TheKosmonaut>
The kanji suggestions always get fucked up on IRC because you tab tab tab for the complete and then press enter
<TheKosmonaut>
but you can’t see that it’s entered the kanji
<TheKosmonaut>
so you press again and then suddenly you’ve entered the line into IRC
<GlassYuri>
while we're at grass, 草が生える (grass grows) means laughter
<TheKosmonaut>
四
<SilverFox>
of course it does
<GlassYuri>
because the w looks kinda like grass (I guess...)
<TheKosmonaut>
二
<SilverFox>
weed gives you the giggles
<TheKosmonaut>
○
<SilverFox>
thats not a perfect circle
<GlassYuri>
TheKosmonaut, I have this issue where the hexchat GUI library doesn't seem to support IMEs correctly so the options pop up in the top left of the screen instead of above your text
<GlassYuri>
also I fucking hate the IME and want to code my own but I'm not in for the trouble
<GlassYuri>
also keyword code, SilverFox I now have a cannon that shoots, and parented the default camera to it in a way that allows me to see enough for now, what to do next
<SilverFox>
ask Greys
<SilverFox>
mine still does fucky shit
<SilverFox>
have no idea why, but it does
<GlassYuri>
also keyword code, Greys I now have a cannon that shoots, and parented the default camera to it in a way that allows me to see enough for now, what to do next
<GlassYuri>
SilverFox, yours stopped working for no reason right?
<SilverFox>
yup
<SilverFox>
none that I know of
<GlassYuri>
so it just doesn't move with no errors or anything?
<SilverFox>
just shoots the shit without a launch code attached and manipulates the original shell piece which is instantiated from, so shouldnt be manipulated
<SilverFox>
check while your shell is firing if the original object stays in place or if it's fired too
<SilverFox>
I commented most of hte init code for the shell like moving it's position and rotation and the thing still goes flying on its own
<GlassYuri>
ur doin a wrong
<GlassYuri>
explain flying
<SilverFox>
rapid unplanned airborne movement
<SilverFox>
I also have the MovePosition code commented
<GlassYuri>
like collider overlap or what?
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<SilverFox>
both parts of cannon are separated
<SilverFox>
thought of that as well
<SilverFox>
moved the cannon way off to the side in case the shell was spawning in at 0 coords, and it still goes flying
<GlassYuri>
...what
<SilverFox>
yup
<SilverFox>
rapid y axis increase, z axis increase, and minor x axis increase
<GlassYuri>
so really like a physics bug type of motion
<SilverFox>
kraken, looks like
<SilverFox>
but I have no idea what's causing it
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<SilverFox>
it happens when I start the scene
<SilverFox>
anytime the capsule is loaded it goes fucky
<GlassYuri>
just eliminate the object and get a prefab
<SilverFox>
by giving the capsule a rigidbody it flies off
<SilverFox>
yeah this brand new capsule does the same thing
<SilverFox>
it just immediately is gone on a field trip
<darklight>
"Swiss court convicts man over 'defamatory' Facebook likes" not the onion
<SilverFox>
holy fuck I froze its position and now its rotating like crazy
<GlassYuri>
so I just tried a capsule myself, it comes out in the wrong orientation but is otherwise fine
<darklight>
Getting a fine over liking a facebook comment.
<SilverFox>
a cube does the same thing as well
<SilverFox>
all shapes fly off
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<darklight>
I think what we have learned is sf should uninstall unity
<SilverFox>
the only way to make it stop is to freeze position and rotation, and as soon as I unfreeze any position or rotation axis, it goes back to spinning and flying
<GlassYuri>
SilverFox, I think the only thing to do is close unity and go to sleep
<SilverFox>
it's 11:13
<GlassYuri>
that's almost midnight
<SilverFox>
AM
<GlassYuri>
then do something else for a while
<GlassYuri>
work on parts of the game that don't require cannons
<SilverFox>
...so work on zero parts of the game?
<GlassYuri>
...I want to create an airship enemy that just floats around stupidly (maybe along a curve or so) and continuously loses gas for each hole you put into it
<SilverFox>
go for it
<darklight>
inb4 sf calculates molecular weights and air transfers
<SilverFox>
how big are the artillery shells?
<GlassYuri>
that would be three parts, one up force to keep it floating, a torque to righten it, a forward force, and a steering force or torque
<GlassYuri>
if you count more than three elements in that list it's because my thoughts are faster than my fingers
<GlassYuri>
of that I have actually done the self-rightening torque, which I did in class because I wanted my ground plane to also be a physics object somehow
<SilverFox>
alright time to download 6GB of shit again
<darklight>
Wait, I had battlefield 2
<darklight>
Why are you reinstalling unity?
<SilverFox>
because it fucked up, seeing if a reinstall fixes it
<GlassYuri>
at this point I'm just being kept awake by luo tianyi and not actually able to develop anymore
<SilverFox>
nice
<SilverFox>
this is what its like to be a ubisoft employee
<GlassYuri>
why would they be listening to chinese vocaloid
<GlassYuri>
I'm not sure if they have working internet connections there
<G-Mobile>
Chocaloids?
<SilverFox>
Greys, targets or airships
<GlassYuri>
like airships aren't targets
<G-Mobile>
?
<SilverFox>
both of us are working on the game, seperately
<SilverFox>
and he wants to know where to go from here
<SilverFox>
as my unity install decided to go FULL retard
<G-Mobile>
What stage is done?
<SilverFox>
controls
<GlassYuri>
I have a working cannon
<G-Mobile>
Are there currently things to shoot at
<GlassYuri>
there would be if there were targets or airships
<darklight>
Hrmm. The spicey show hasn't disabled comments yet
<G-Mobile>
the entire things-to-shoit category will be revisited, I leave it up to you how complicated you want to make the placeholder
<SilverFox>
do you want ground to air, or ground to ground?
<G-Mobile>
Artillery is not normally used against air targets
<SilverFox>
mine is like, a circle that's a target looking thing, and if collision from shell, point
<G-Mobile>
good enough for now
<GlassYuri>
I FUCKING SAID PUT THE FUCKING CANNON ON FUCKING FANTASY AIRSHIPS THEN IT CAN SHOOT AT AIR TARGETS YOU IDIOTS
<GlassYuri>
had to be said.
<GlassYuri>
also artillery is totally used against air targets
<G-Mobile>
that can come later
<GlassYuri>
I just think that an airship is a relatively good enemy by what you get for the effort
<SilverFox>
I think a fucking disc is the easiest
<darklight>
Hrmm, somehow there is only one "hitler did nothing wrong" guy, apart from that the chat hasn't caught aids yet
<G-Mobile>
so with things to shoot done, .5 is probably the map system
<SilverFox>
I thought you didnt want to see it
<GlassYuri>
G-Mobile, are you developing your own version of this too?
<SilverFox>
when are artillery people using maps?
<GlassYuri>
all the time...
<G-Mobile>
always
<SilverFox>
pussies
<G-Mobile>
the original vision of gameplay is, you are at a gun, you have a map and some kind of comm station, text based would be easiest, you receive commands designating target coordinates and your map indicates your position, then you calculate a firing solution, aim, and shoot
<G-Mobile>
having never seen the target
<SilverFox>
is this because of your sexual identification of artillery shells?
<G-Mobile>
Pft
<G-Mobile>
Shells are for pleba
<GlassYuri>
airship now keeps altitude, moves forward and stays upright
<SilverFox>
looks good, except that Start and Update are weirdly indented
<darklight>
Or derp, blimp right?
<SilverFox>
so what is the difference here between AddForce and AddRelativeForce?
<GlassYuri>
world and local coordinates
<GlassYuri>
darklight, setting the drag and angular drag somewhat high in unity serves as a hack PID replacement
<darklight>
Now you have to teach silverfox what a transform is
<SilverFox>
GlassYuri, seems fair
<darklight>
GlassYuri: Well, you have the P part of PID :P
<GlassYuri>
darklight, the altitude keeping currently works by just turning off the floatyness when above the target altitude, and usually is accurate to about 4 to 6 millimeters
<GlassYuri>
I think the effective range of my cannon right now is like 50 to 100 meters
<SilverFox>
wtf is that range
<SilverFox>
mine is fucking intercontinental
<SilverFox>
with up to 400km range
<GlassYuri>
...on firing, you should use ForceMode.Impulse not ForceMode.Force, right?
<SilverFox>
I dont adjust those
<SilverFox>
but check em out
<darklight>
You could probably just set a velocity right?
<SilverFox>
darklight wtf
<SilverFox>
get out
<GlassYuri>
yes but that ignores mass
<darklight>
And?
<SilverFox>
OUT
<darklight>
It's easier to set a muzzle velocity :P
<SilverFox>
why would you ever ignore mass?
<darklight>
For the initial firing you dolt
<SilverFox>
you're the fucking dolt
<SilverFox>
ignoring mass like an idjit
<darklight>
If you're having different materials for canonballs, then I guess that might make sense?
<SilverFox>
or you know, different types and makes of artillery shells
<SilverFox>
different sizes
<SilverFox>
shapes
<darklight>
I wonder what the formula would be for the force, do you apply force while it's in the barrel?
<SilverFox>
f=ma
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<GlassYuri>
well in the last 6 or 7 hours I have created a working cannon and a kind of enemy that reacts to being shot at (by righting itself up and continuing to fly in the direction it happens to be pointing at when it regains control
<GlassYuri>
)
<SilverFox>
congrats
<SilverFox>
do you feel good about yourself?
<GlassYuri>
if I were still awake enough to feel anything
<GlassYuri>
I feel thirsty
<GlassYuri>
that's a start
<SilverFox>
punch yourself in the face repeatedly
<SilverFox>
pain is a pretty strong feeling
<darklight>
It's more than what sf has :P
<SilverFox>
darklight stfu I ran into problems
<SilverFox>
I'd be where he is if unity didn't cockblock me
<GlassYuri>
I think I'm going to grab some drinks from the convenience store and then sleep
<darklight>
You're rotating around up and then rotating around left
<darklight>
I really don't see why unity would fuck that up
<GlassYuri>
then tomorrow I'll look into getting this fucking airship done properly
<SilverFox>
darklight seriously stop, are you lagging by a day or something?
<darklight>
Yeah... you know what, fuck this channel. Apologies greys :P
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<SilverFox>
the chinese language sounds very unappealing to me
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<SilverFox>
wtf
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<SilverFox>
so targets have been implemented, working on a 3D object to point in the directon of the target
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<SilverFox>
sweet jesus christ it's happened again
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<SilverFox>
hrmmmmmmmmmmmm
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<SilverFox>
Greys, I give up on the project, I have no idea what is causing this scene corruption, but it's like having to start over every 30 minutes, and I wont have that, you'll have to contract Glass from here on out
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