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<regex> So, insofar as linq is concerned, is this statement good or bad? Would an if statement durring iteration of the entire list be better?
<regex> FlightGlobals.Vessels.Where(v => v.vesselType != VesselType.Debris && v.vesselType != VesselType.Flag && v.vesselType != VesselType.SpaceObject && v.vesselType != VesselType.Unknown && v.vesselType != VesselType.EVA);
<Asymptote> Hello guys! I have an unusual request
<Sarbian> regex: turning it around ( v.vesselType== xxx || v.vesselType== yy) would be shorter I guess
<Asymptote> I'm writing my Phd dissertation about "co-development strategies in the game software industry", I've chosen KSP as a case study and I need to gather some data and insights from its modders'.
<Asymptote> Would you agree to complete an online survey? It takes around 10 to 15mn, it's fully anonymous, and it will be a great help!
<Sarbian> regex: and you don't do anything with the result
<Asymptote> Here's the link : https://goo.gl/forms/1vrkPYH4az8l32sb2
<regex> Sarbian, not really worried about brevity, unless that's a better query overall
<regex> I'm not up on the iuntricacies of how bad linq is
<regex> ^intricacies
<Asymptote> sarbian: can you take it from here? :)
<Sarbian> Yep
<Asymptote> Lastly, know that I'm not affiliated with Squad or T2 in any way
<Sarbian> So as Asymptote was saying he is writing his Phd dissertation and need KSP modders to fill out a survey. I have met him and he is an actual post grad and the survey does not take much time to fill out.
<Sarbian> I never saw a thesis on game modding and I am quite interested in who this will turn out so please take some time to look into it.
* Sarbian fails at English once more
<Sarbian> ([...] HOW this will turn out [...])
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<Sarbian> grr
Sarbian changed the topic of #kspmodding to: Welcome to #kspmodding - the channel for discussing, and learning about, modding Kerbal Space Program. Code of Conduct: https://git.io/vSQh6 | Always provide logs. | *** PSA: https://kerbalspaceprogram.com/api/index.htm | Someone is wrtting a Phd dissertation on KSP modding please fill out this survey https://goo.gl/forms/1vrkPYH4az8l32sb2 - I have met him and it s legit
<Sarbian> Better
Sarbian changed the topic of #kspmodding to: Welcome to #kspmodding - the channel for discussing, and learning about, modding Kerbal Space Program. Code of Conduct: https://git.io/vSQh6 | Always provide logs. | *** PSA: https://kerbalspaceprogram.com/api/index.htm | Someone is writting a Phd dissertation on KSP modding please fill out this survey https://goo.gl/forms/1vrkPYH4az8l32sb2 - I have met him and it s legit
<Asymptote> Well the french academic literature is kind of mute about it, or not very thorough, and I pretty lost also tbh. Most of the available works about modders communities and user-dev relationships have been published in english journals.
<Asymptote> *I think
<Asymptote> Thanks for the sticky sarbian.
<Sarbian> egg: do we have a bot that can repeat a message a specific hours ? (also read last 5 mins here)
<egg> Sarbian: uh, je pense pas, depuis la disparition de Kountdown
* egg reads scrollbackt to figure out what this is about
* egg cannot type scrollback
<Sarbian> T es en suissie, y a pas horloges là bas ?
<egg> Sarbian: hmm, maybe also poke around in #RO, possibly more active
<Sarbian> good idea
<egg> Sarbian: si, mais elles sont pas sur IRC
<egg> Sarbian: Asymptote: CAVEAT: #RO will bias the sample
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<egg> but then again, so will sampling from IRC
<Sarbian> Ce nouveau clavier rate des touches
<Asymptote> Also if you guys have any questions about the survey or my research, I'll be idling here for a bit (contact info are also in the link).
<egg> Asymptote: also, if PhD student, I recommend #kspacademia; largely not KSP-related, but has academics (also former academics, also catpics, also numerical analysis, algebraic structures, linguistics...)
<Asymptote> What's #RO?
<egg> Realism Overhaul
<egg> and associated mods
<egg> chock full of modders :-p
<Asymptote> From KSP?
<egg> yeah this is all KSP
<Sarbian> yes, that s the full scale / realsim mod for KSP
<Asymptote> And why would they bias the data? :p
<egg> because all Realism Overhaul modders, or modders from related mods
<Asymptote> Ok i'm joining in then.
<egg> so very realism-heavy
<Asymptote> Sounds neat.
<egg> Asymptote: whereas #kspacademia wouldn't bias the data, but 5 min into the discussion the bibliography of your thesis is going to include citations to J. Math. Pures Appl., A&A, and Biol. Psychiatry, as well as a picture of a cat for no discernible reason :-p
<Sarbian> #kspacademia is full of mean people who throw math at you
<egg> :D
<egg> Sarbian: I mean, whitequark throws lots of biology
<egg> also eleggtronics
<Asymptote> Haha, why not.
<egg> Asymptote: aggravating edge cases: my plugin is mostly C++
<egg> (also it's 70 kilolines lately)
<Asymptote> Ok, tour is finished.
<Asymptote> egg: tick the "other case" and add your situation
<Asymptote> I think you can tick several choices on that one
<egg> technically there's #kspmodders, but, maybe don't go there
<Asymptote> But why though? ;^)
<egg> stronk typing
<egg> (why is it 70 kilolines? because I'm slightly nuts and everything gets out of hand)
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<kmath_> <whitequark> there's C++ code and then there's C++ code in Principia https://t.co/7yzqs9v8uL
<Sarbian> Damn, you started him. he will never stop now :(
<Sarbian> ;)
<egg> :D
<Asymptote> What am I supposed to read there? I barely read python. (prepares to dodge rotten tomatoes and other wastes)
<Asymptote> >Principia is a mod for Kerbal Space Program (KSP) which implements N-body and extended body gravitation. Instead of being within the sphere of influence of a single celestial body at any point in time, your vessels are influenced by all the celestials.
<Asymptote> Neat. I didn't know this mod, might install it someday
<Sarbian> I ll be in the next room, ping me a couple of time if I am needed
<egg> Asymptote: well mostly the thing I selected is comments
<egg> the comments are citation upon citation :D
<egg> (and then it's just a function declaration, this says that NewtonDelambreStørmerVerletLeapfrog is a function that returns a SymplecticPartitionedRungeKuttaIntegrator)
<egg> Asymptote: as for whitequark's tweet, latin comment and Unicode identifiers
<kmath_> <whitequark> "… I have no idea whether the guy is called Chebyshev, Tchebyshoff, Tschebyscheff or whatever" -- @eggleroy https://t.co/BzvVv8otZP
<Asymptote> Code exegesis? Good lord...
<Asymptote> egg: are these people discussing Principia's source code?
<Asymptote> egg: btw do you speak latin? I'd like to know if this commentary is one of these classy dev private jokes.
<egg> Asymptote: the comment is just a citation from Newton's Principia
<egg> Asymptote: it's Newton's 3rd law
<egg> Asymptote: and the code implementing it
<Asymptote> Makes sense.
<egg> Asymptote: as far as fancy comments go, I think you can't beat apollo guidance
<Asymptote> >Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense
<Asymptote> >Noli se tangere
<Asymptote> egg: the other comments look sound and clear. what did I miss?
<egg> Asymptote: what other comments? in principia?
<egg> or in the AGC code
* egg is confused
<egg> so many links :-p
<Asymptote> in BURN_BABY_BURN--MASTER_IGNITION_ROUTINE.agc
<egg> Asymptote: well, the latin comment (presumably a typo of NOLI ME TANGERE)
<Asymptote> egg: Thanks for the links btw, code commenting practices are pretty interesting to say the least.
<egg> Asymptote: principia's practices are really mostly my silliness, I wouldn't see them as established practice
<Asymptote> egg: what are established practices?
<egg> :-p
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