07:01 <discord-> B​utcher. — @Kobymaru I have persistent rotation and Principia. Are you telling me its going to break?

07:59 <discord-> M​ike. — the soi boundary issue should be there regardless of PR being installed or not i think, so it should be fine to use it

08:30 <discord-> B​utcher. — I've not noticed anything so far, but I'm still tooling around in leo.

09:38 <discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if there is a time when the stock system becomes unstable?

09:40 <discord-> S​tandecco. — with retrograde bop, I'm assuming?

09:43 <discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — Yes

09:44 <discord-> S​tandecco. — not that I know of, but others might have more knowledge on the matter

09:52 <discord-> D​amien. — @Kobymaru @Butcher @neph PR and principia work fine together, but the universe rotates around the body you're orbiting to do the axial tilt and doesn't rotate you to suit.

09:52 <discord-> D​amien. —

09:52 <discord-> D​amien. — It's fine if you have attitude control

10:12 <discord-> K​obymaru. — I definitely had problems with PR. Sometimes when I switched back to a ship that I left with little to no rotation, it would rotate insanely fast

10:14 <discord-> K​obymaru. — This issue is related: https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/1639

10:17 <discord-> K​obymaru. — And that happened multiple times and only fixed itself when I uninstalled persistant rotation

11:16 <_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #2215: Proper name for the Taylor series - https://git.io/fjw4T

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11:17 <_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] eggrobin labeled pull request #2215: Proper name for the Taylor series - https://git.io/fjw4T

11:22 <discord-> D​amien. — Yeah that's the issue I raised. I've never noticed the rotation change though

11:22 <discord-> D​amien. — Yeah that's the issue I raised. I've never noticed the rotation speed change though (edited)

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11:52 <_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] pleroy pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/fjw40

11:52 <_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] pleroy 9ac6b15 - Proper name for the Taylor series.

11:52 <_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] pleroy 2a99983 - Merge pull request #2215 from pleroy/Taylor Proper name for the Taylor series

11:52 <_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #2215: Proper name for the Taylor series - https://git.io/fjw4T

12:16 <_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #2216: Rewrite FukushimaEllipticBD - https://git.io/fjw4P

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12:38 <discord-> B​utcher. — What happens without pr? Do ships just stop dead during warp like stock?

12:38 <discord-> D​amien. — Yes

12:38 <discord-> D​amien. — So it's more or less mandatory

12:38 <discord-> D​amien. — I have no issues with PR and principia

12:39 <discord-> D​amien. — The bug mentioned in the bug report is there with or without PR

12:41 <discord-> B​utcher. — Stock is cheaty.

12:42 <discord-> D​amien. — Very

12:45 <_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] pleroy commented on pull request #2216: Rewrite FukushimaEllipticBD - https://git.io/fjw4x

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12:47 <_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] eggrobin labeled pull request #2216: Rewrite FukushimaEllipticBD - https://git.io/fjw4P

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14:31 <discord-> D​RVeyl. — @egg Ref from 1 May: "once you're in the space centre scene, Principia has seen the game_epoch setting and it's all over" when discussing with @Pap about changing the starting date/time.

14:31 <discord-> D​RVeyl. —

14:31 <discord-> D​RVeyl. — Can you clarify? Do I need to beat the PrincipiaPluginAdapter constructor (where you create a new FlightPlanner), OnAwake (where you initialize unmodified_orbits_ and add all your handlers for TimingManager), or OnLoad (where you deserialize everything) ?

14:34 <discord-> e​gg. — @Damien @Butcher et al. At the moment we don't interact with rotation much (there's the rotating the universe around the ship thing but stock does that too, albeit more subtly). We plan to; at which point we will do persistent rotation ourselves (and correctly, PR is very confused about how rigid body dynamics work)

14:34 <discord-> D​RVeyl. — (Tho messing about during the GameScenes.MAINMENU might be a far simpler workaround.)

14:36 <discord-> e​gg. — @DRVeyl the FlightPlanner is completely irrelevant, so is TimingManager

14:36 <discord-> e​gg. — that's all C#-side stuff

14:37 <discord-> e​gg. — @DRVeyl what matters is this https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/blob/2a9998363e8632586ded3489b9c465390c544024/ksp_plugin_adapter/ksp_plugin_adapter.cs#L2078-L2081

14:37 <discord-> e​gg. — @DRVeyl which happens in the first OnLoad: https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/blob/2a9998363e8632586ded3489b9c465390c544024/ksp_plugin_adapter/ksp_plugin_adapter.cs#L606-L607

14:38 <discord-> e​gg. — > (Tho messing about during the GameScenes.MAINMENU might be a far simpler workaround.)

14:38 <discord-> e​gg. — Well yes, because again, once the plugin has been created there is no going back

14:38 <discord-> e​gg. — so there is no place for you to do that elsewhere

14:40 <discord-> e​gg. — (assuming you're talking about where to put an UI to configure that here; if you don't need UI it's a trivial MM patch anyway)

14:42 <discord-> D​RVeyl. — Thanks. Makes sense. Was looking for where any code would need to live if it has to operate differently on a per-savegame basis. I had only looked at the top level of your plugin and wasn't sure when all the initialization happened.

14:42 <discord-> D​RVeyl. — Thanks. Makes sense. Was looking for where any code would need to live if it has to operate differently on a per-savegame basis. I had only looked at the top level of your plugin and wasn't sure when all the initialization happened. (Ans: ResetPlugin() called by OnLoad() ) (edited)

14:43 <discord-> e​gg. — only the first OnLoad though

14:43 <discord-> D​RVeyl. — Right.

14:43 <discord-> e​gg. — subsequent OnLoad see the thing that's serialized and forever etched in marble in the savefile

15:35 <_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #2216: Rewrite FukushimaEllipticBD - https://git.io/fjw4P

15:35 <_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] pleroy pushed 7 commits to master [+2/-0/±11] https://git.io/fjwRx

15:35 <_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] pleroy 413eae6 - Maclaurin series.

15:35 <_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] pleroy de3c48b - Clarification.

15:35 <_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] pleroy 3b497fb - Taylor, not Maclaurin.

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16:53 <_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #2217: Rewrite FukushimaEllipticBsDsMaclaurinSeries - https://git.io/fjw0y

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17:30 <_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] eggrobin labeled pull request #2217: Rewrite FukushimaEllipticBsDsMaclaurinSeries - https://git.io/fjw0y

17:34 <_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] pleroy synchronize pull request #2217: Rewrite FukushimaEllipticBsDsMaclaurinSeries - https://git.io/fjw0y

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18:14 <_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #2217: Rewrite FukushimaEllipticBsDsMaclaurinSeries - https://git.io/fjw0y

18:14 <_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] pleroy pushed 8 commits to master [+0/-0/±7] https://git.io/fjwEj

18:14 <_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] pleroy bf42898 - Add the Fs polynomials and some support for Bs and Ds.

18:14 <_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] pleroy 6bfe62c - Merge branch 'master' into EllipticBsDs

18:14 <_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] pleroy c127152 - Something that works but doesn't deduce.

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20:36 <discord-> D​ocRockwell. — @Kobymaru When running Principia, I used Mandatory RCS instead of Persistent Rotation, it has a settings menu that lets you turn it on/off, which is necessary when things bug out like that.

21:20 <discord-> L​ord Lima Bean. — @DocRockwell mandatory RCS?

21:21 <discord-> D​ocRockwell. — That's the name of the mod, it's on ckan

21:29 <discord-> B​utcher. — Isn't that just reduced reaction wheels?

21:35 <discord-> e​gg. — Re. the "persistent rotation done right in Principia" effort thing, this involves elliptic function & elliptic integrals, hence these pull requests since 2200 https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pulls?q=is%3Apr+author%3Apleroy

21:36 <discord-> e​gg. — See https://www.math.unipd.it/~fasso/research/papers/norway.pdf

23:10 <discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — the math in principia.... wow