UmbralRaptop changed the topic of #principia to: READ THE FAQ: http://goo.gl/gMZF9H; The current version is Fano. We currently target 1.3.1, 1.4.x, 1.5.1, and 1.6.1. <scott_manley> anyone that doubts the wisdom of retrograde bop needs to get the hell out | https://xkcd.com/323/ | <egg> calculating the influence of lamont on Pluto is a bit silly…
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<discord-> h​ooya. — using principia for my school project right now 😎
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<discord-> K​urgut. — BEPI on the way!
<discord-> K​urgut. — planned until 2nd venus flyby for now..
<discord-> K​urgut. — also I launch from Kourou to a 200km orbit, and there wasn't the 4 ap/pe markers your were talking about @egg , or does it need to be completely equatorial to appear?
<discord-> K​urgut. — also I launched from Kourou to a 200km orbit, and there wasn't the 4 ap/pe markers your were talking about @egg , or does it need to be completely equatorial to appear? (edited)
<discord-> K​urgut. — gotcha Mercury
<discord-> K​urgut. — now just add 6 more of mercury and we're good :p
<discord-> D​amien. — principia playground I take it?
<discord-> D​amien. — because if you say RP-1 I'm gonna quit ksp
<discord-> K​urgut. — so you can quit.
<discord-> K​urgut. — it's an aerobee rocket
<discord-> K​urgut. — unguided
<discord-> K​urgut. — with tank I
<discord-> K​urgut. — ejection from Earth is done by the force of the decoupler
<discord-> K​urgut. — the probe is a bucket
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<discord-> D​amien. — yeah I thought so lol
<discord-> K​urgut. — ^
<discord-> K​urgut. — RSSRO sandbox
<discord-> D​amien. — ah
<discord-> K​urgut. — even no lag with so long traj, and high steps, a real pleasure
<discord-> e​gg. — @Kurgut 4 ap/pe would be for completely *circular* orbits
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<discord-> e​gg. — but that's easy to get
<discord-> e​gg. — my question is 4 AN/DN
<discord-> K​urgut. — k
<discord-> e​gg. — that would be for *very very very* equatorial orbits
<discord-> K​urgut. — it is circular tho
<discord-> K​urgut. — 5 degree inclination
<discord-> e​gg. — not circular enough
<discord-> K​urgut. — I'll check
<discord-> K​urgut. — 199*201 ?
<discord-> e​gg. — who gives you those numbers
<discord-> K​urgut. — principia
<discord-> e​gg. — well that's not circular *enough*
<discord-> K​urgut. — lol
<discord-> e​gg. — especially at a low inclination like that
<discord-> K​urgut. — ok :p
<discord-> e​gg. — the 4-apsis phenomenon is driven by oblateness, so it's more visible on highly inclined orbits
<discord-> e​gg. — but it should be visible on *any* orbit, as long as you make it circular enough
<discord-> e​gg. — just use your RCS to perform an adjustment at either apsis
<discord-> e​gg. — and you'll see the apsides split
<discord-> K​urgut. — yup
<discord-> D​amien. — enough about apsides, it's been over a day since the last principia version. what will the next version bring?
<discord-> e​gg. — @Damien a new moon, probably
<discord-> e​gg. — @Damien to be honest the Fatou new moon is not even there yet, it's in a bit more than 15 min
<discord-> e​gg. — 3 juin 12h 01min 57s Nouvelle Lune.
<discord-> K​urgut. — ok, let's ask again in 15 min then
<discord-> D​amien. — 😄
<discord-> D​amien. — that's the new rule now
<discord-> D​amien. — every release has a flagship feature
<discord-> D​amien. — next release is to be either editing maneuvers in a chain without redoing the chain, or native MJ maneuver execution
<discord-> K​urgut. — + principia fancy orbital data infos
<discord-> D​amien. — or that
<discord-> D​amien. — yeah to be fair that's #1
<discord-> K​urgut. — and some big flashing egg popping up on the screen to warn you when your GEO sat is drifting
<discord-> D​amien. — it's painful for me at the moment on a 4k telly. It's hard to read the principia apside marker numbers but obviously the KER/MJ numbers are wrong
<discord-> D​amien. — so changing an orbit gives me eye strain
<discord-> K​urgut. — reduce the distance between your eyes and the screen ?
<discord-> D​amien. — I usually do
<discord-> D​amien. — but that means getting up
<discord-> K​urgut. — oof
<discord-> D​amien. — ikr
<discord-> K​urgut. — tough
<discord-> D​amien. — I wish KSP dpi scaling wasn't a bag of broken spaghetti
<discord-> e​gg. — @Damien the Principia UI now scales, so there's that
<discord-> e​gg. — @Damien @Kurgut if every release has a flagship feature, what's the Fatou flagship
<discord-> D​amien. — yeah but it scales at a different rate to other mods
<discord-> D​amien. — so my principia window is bigger than everything else
<discord-> e​gg. — O_o
<discord-> K​urgut. — haha
<discord-> K​urgut. — that's good
<discord-> e​gg. — ☊ and ☋ with respect to the equator?
<discord-> e​gg. — 1.7.0?
<discord-> e​gg. — the pile of bugfixes? that's hardly a flagship
<discord-> D​amien. — we're easily pleased
<kmath> <eggleroy> 🌑 Fatou, the new release of Principia, is out; 1.7.0, ☊ and ☋ with respect to the equator, fixed some bugs introduc… https://t.co/o8eAAhL8ge
<egg> hi kmath
<egg> bots relayed by bots
<discord-> K​urgut. — happy new moon
<discord-> A​very. — Will principia make a difference practically if I'm just playing normally?
<discord-> D​amien. — in LEO, no
<discord-> D​amien. — beyond that there's a bit more to learn but still fine
<discord-> D​amien. — the main difference is the moon's inclination changes relative to KSC
<discord-> D​amien. — and you can view trajectories in different reference frames
<discord-> D​amien. — which can be both confusing and really useful
<discord-> A​very. — Mk
<discord-> D​amien. — my advice would be to try it out in stock first
<discord-> A​very. — Does it make the game noticeably laggier?
<discord-> D​amien. — yes and no. if you make the projected trajectory really long and precise, yes, if it's short, no
<discord-> D​amien. — you have tune it to your needs
<discord-> D​amien. — you have to tune it to your needs (edited)
<discord-> A​very. — Ok
<discord-> D​amien. — generally you'd have it short and precise for an orbital rendezvous, and long and imprecise for an interplanetary transfer
<discord-> D​amien. — cm error vs m/km error
<discord-> D​amien. — the two settings are steps and tolerance
<discord-> D​amien. — steps high is most distance and most lag
<discord-> D​amien. — tolerance low is max accuracy
<discord-> D​amien. — and therefore most lag
<discord-> D​amien. — install it on a stock install, play around with it until you can do interplanetary, moon landing etc and then come back to RSSRO
<discord-> D​amien. — you'll learn it a lot faster
<discord-> A​very. — Ok
<discord-> e​gg. — @Damien well, lag is only dependent on tolerance
<discord-> e​gg. — sorry
<discord-> e​gg. — @Damien lag is only dependent on *steps*
<discord-> D​amien. — steps high is most distance (edited)
<discord-> e​gg. — ~@Damien well, lag is only dependent on tolerance~ (edited)
<discord-> D​amien. — make your mind up 😄
<discord-> e​gg. — @Damien ~well, lag is only dependent on tolerance~ (edited)
<discord-> D​amien. — I thought tolerance affected it too
<discord-> e​gg. — @Damien ~~well, lag is only dependent on tolerance~~ (edited)
<discord-> e​gg. — no
<discord-> e​gg. — tolerance means the steps will be smaller
<discord-> D​amien. — good to know
<discord-> e​gg. — but the amount of work done is the number of steps
<discord-> D​amien. — riiight, so that's why tolerance reduces the trajectory length
<discord-> D​amien. — I did wonder
<discord-> K​urgut. — ^
<discord-> e​gg. — so basically you can tune the step count to however much you and your machine can stand
<discord-> e​gg. — and then fiddle with the tolerance
<discord-> e​gg. — but that's not always ideal, because there are times when you might be OK with the game being a bit laggier to get moar trajectory (or moar precision)
<discord-> D​amien. — so don't just minmax both and then try and plan maneuvers at 0.6fps
<discord-> e​gg. — in that case, you can increase the stepsize
<discord-> e​gg. — @Damien well, depends what you want :-p
<discord-> D​amien. — mm level precision on a 10 year plan pls
<discord-> K​urgut. — *at 0.6fps* now it's soo much better since fatou
<discord-> D​amien. — ok 0.7 then
<discord-> K​urgut. — I planned BEPI at 16000 steps +, for a 1000 days+ long traj
<discord-> K​urgut. — and was good
<discord-> K​urgut. — lol
<discord-> D​amien. — ```plan has timed out at 30 seconds```
<discord-> D​amien. — the thing is though, when we see that message we still try and increase the plan length, just in case it's lying
<discord-> e​gg. — hah
<discord-> e​gg. — We might improve the error messages in Fermat, we'll see
<discord-> D​amien. — tbh the warning is ok, but it doesn't explain why
<discord-> D​amien. — be it impact trajectory or just whatever reason it times out
<discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — Fermat. The name rings a bell.
<discord-> A​very. — So basically
<discord-> A​very. — Your orbit is influenced by the mun even if you arent in it's SOI
<discord-> A​very. — Ok
<discord-> A​very. — I get it now
<discord-> A​very. — It was literally updated today
<discord-> A​very. — For 1.7
<discord-> D​amien. — yeah it was
<discord-> D​amien. — both my RSSRO install and my RSS/SMURFF install are on 1.6.1 though
<discord-> D​amien. — but for a stock install use whatever you like
<discord-> A​very. — What's SMURFF
<discord-> D​amien. — makes stock parts work with RSS
<discord-> S​tandecco. — a small mod that keeps stock gameplay but increases their isp and mass
<discord-> S​tandecco. — mass ratio, sorry
<discord-> D​amien. — useful for if you want to practice stuff in RSS but without the RO limitations
<discord-> A​very. — Oh
<discord-> D​amien. — me and @Kurgut use it for practicing weird principia maneuvers in RSS
<discord-> A​very. — Do I need RSSVE for lunar eclipses
<discord-> D​amien. — I'm not sure tbh
<discord-> e​gg. — you need scatterer for eclipses I think
<discord-> e​gg. — @Avery > It was literally updated today
<discord-> e​gg. — yes, because it's the new moon
<discord-> e​gg. — new moon, new release
<discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — @egg btw how long does it take you to upload the binary to china?
<discord-> e​gg. — not very long
<discord-> A​very. — What @egg
<discord-> e​gg. — what what
<discord-> D​amien. — what what what
<discord-> A​very. — Oh you
<discord-> A​very. — Ok
<discord-> D​amien. — @Avery he releases principia on each new moon
<discord-> A​very. — Yeah I get it
<discord-> A​very. — Took me a minute
<discord-> A​very. — Sorry
<discord-> e​gg. — Since March 2017
<discord-> e​gg. — before that it was a mess
<UmbralRaptop> Did the moon eggsist before March 2017?
<discord-> e​gg. — hm
<discord-> e​gg. — probably not
<discord-> A​very. — No it was a government conspiracy until then
<discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — they retrofitted the landing.
<discord-> A​very. — Alright I think I get it now
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<discord-> A​very. — Ok I dont get it
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<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Idk how we can land on the Moon on the moon if it’s a crescent, reee
* egg is not sure what it is that Avery does not get
<discord-> D​amien. — she doesn't get that the egg game here but we've not seen the chicken yet
<discord-> D​amien. — she doesn't get that the egg came here but we've not seen the chicken yet (edited)
<discord-> D​amien. — is the chicken going to be in the next release?
<discord-> A​very. — Ok I get it again
<discord-> A​very. — I had the frame of referance wrong
<discord-> K​urgut. — for how much time ? ^^
<discord-> D​amien. — @Avery ECI (Earth Centered Inertial) is basically like stock
<discord-> D​amien. — after that things get weird
<discord-> A​very. — Ok I landed on the mun
<discord-> D​amien. — nice
<discord-> A​very. — I mean for the maneuver I had kerbin as the frame of reference instead if the kerbin-mun barycenter
<discord-> A​very. — I mean for the maneuver I had kerbin as the frame of reference instead of the kerbin-mun barycenter (edited)
<discord-> A​very. — Or whatever
<discord-> D​amien. — picking the right reference frame is half the battle
<discord-> D​amien. — the other half is posting pics of weird orbits to troll non-principia players
<discord-> n​eph. — ^^^
<discord-> n​eph. — This guy gets it
<discord-> D​amien. — @Avery try to go to one of the mun lagrange points
<discord-> K​urgut. — and write in a language sprinkled with maths and some random δ ΝΦΞς stuff you either don't understand
<discord-> D​amien. — yeah no
<discord-> K​urgut. — yeah or no?
<discord-> D​amien. — no yeah
<discord-> K​urgut. — bruh, that's stock.. I've chills
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — College just makes me think of Greek letters as Fraternities or Sororities 😃
<UmbralRaptop> I'm not sure what sort of college you're going to
* UmbralRaptop eyes G^{μν} = 8π T^{μν}
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<discord-> K​urgut. — yes, as I always told you.
<discord-> A​very. — @Damien sounds hard
<discord-> K​urgut. — it's not 😃
<discord-> D​amien. — it's not as hard as you'd think tbh
<discord-> D​amien. — you don't have to swing round the moon like I did
<kmath> YouTube - Kerbal Space Progam - Principia | Tutorial | Kerbin-Mun Lagrange L4 and L5 points
<discord-> K​urgut. — that's L4 tho
<discord-> K​urgut. — L1 will come
<discord-> K​urgut. — one day in the future
<discord-> K​urgut. — but I'll do direct RSS, stock is same after all
<discord-> A​very. — What happens if the Jool system is left as it is in the stock game?
<discord-> D​amien. — it crashes
<discord-> D​amien. — the jool system is unstable
<discord-> K​urgut. — Vall (vall?) gets kicked out of Jool
<discord-> A​very. — Yes Vall
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<UmbralRaptop> Jool is grossly unstable. But then you've got a slightly underweight Saturn orbited by 3 terrestrial planets
<kmath> YouTube - N-body simulation of KSP's solar system -- closeup of Jool's moons
<discord-> A​very. — This is kinda satisfying ain't it
<discord-> D​amien. — :d
<discord-> D​amien. — 😄
<discord-> D​amien. — yeah it makes some cool patterns
<discord-> A​very. — Touchdown
<discord-> D​amien. — once you get the hang of things, if you use SMURFF on RSS you can also do the stuff that's RSS specific, like sunsynchronous orbits etc
<discord-> A​very. — I'll try that later
<discord-> D​amien. — yeah, just get used to the basics for now
<discord-> A​very. — I even managed to get near the KSC unintentionally lol
<discord-> D​amien. — once you get the hang of the reference frames you'll be good
<discord-> D​amien. — unfortunately the more you learn about this mod and RL orbital mechanics the more stupid you feel
<discord-> K​urgut. — as everything? :^
<discord-> D​amien. — and you start reading nasa pdfs for fun
<discord-> K​urgut. — as everything? 😃 (edited)
<discord-> A​very. — Lol Vall just gets gets the fuck out of the system
<discord-> A​very. — xd
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<discord-> K​urgut. — so far so good
<discord-> K​urgut. — now starting doing the Mercury flyby fest
<discord-> K​urgut. — first one fine tuned to a 3 year mercury orbit
<discord-> D​amien. — >still hasn't done a GA
<discord-> K​urgut. — hehe
<discord-> K​urgut. — ! you did
<discord-> K​urgut. — juno
<discord-> D​amien. — I planned it
<discord-> D​amien. — never actually did it
<discord-> K​urgut. — but it was a GA to nowhere^
<discord-> D​amien. — yeah
<discord-> K​urgut. — ah
<egg|work|egg> makes sense, gravity assists are a travelcard for the solar system
<discord-> K​urgut. — hah
<discord-> K​urgut. — in MCSA
<discord-> K​urgut. — ufg, long resonance transfer orbits make things messy
<discord-> K​urgut. — but pretty
<discord-> K​urgut. — Mercury 2, Pe at 18km, passed at 4km form the surface.. ups
<discord-> K​urgut. — the 2 next flyby are go
<discord-> K​urgut. — damnit, how much Δv Bepi has.. this cheater uses ion engines
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<UmbralRaptop> NEXT engines and the like are h4x
<UmbralRaptop> >3000 s, and the propellant can hit something like 5 g/cm³
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<egg> kurgut: MCSA where M is Mercury?
<discord-> K​urgut. — ye
<discord-> K​urgut. — yes (edited)
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<discord-> 𒀯​ 𒄷 𒄈𒀭𒁇. — @egg Is the interplanetary superhighway more or less complicated than the swiss transit system?
<_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #2195: Base32768 now works - https://git.io/fjEj7
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<egg> the swiss transit system isn't really that complicated
<egg> it's dense, but fairly sane
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<discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — does it work with gravity assists?
<UmbralRaptop> Sometimes. Primarily the cog railways.
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