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<_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] MiracleMagician commented on issue #2196: Peformance issue when vessel isn't newly launched - https://git.io/fjz7o
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — Why does no one read the wiki
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — I'll have to write a very big and clear description of the orbital telemetry in game
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — I'll have to write a very big and clear description of the orbital telemetry experiment in game (edited)
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — If you have 10 satellites around earth, it's going to take 10 years to get those 75 science points
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — If you have 10 satellites around earth, it's going to take 3 years to get those 75 science points (edited)
<discord-_> D​amien. — make the description super long
<discord-_> D​amien. — so i breaks the PAW
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — Never
<discord-_> D​amien. — so it breaks the PAW (edited)
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — I already had problems with descriptions breaking configure modules
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — I might have some of those still in
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<discord-_> P​hineas Freak. — Can someone please chime in and explain why **stock KSP is not going to have proper celestial positioning**?
<discord-_> P​hineas Freak. —
<discord-_> P​hineas Freak. — Can someone please chime in and explain why **stock KSP is not going to ever have proper celestial positioning**?
<discord-_> P​hineas Freak. —
<discord-_> P​hineas Freak. — https://github.com/KSP-RO/RealSolarSystem/issues/171 (edited)
<discord-_> B​utcher. — @Standecco wiki is not super easy to find. Normal Google brings up kerbalism non - to stuff.
<discord-_> B​utcher. — @Standecco wiki is not super easy to find. Normal Google brings up kerbalism non - ro stuff. (edited)
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — @Phineas Freak i guess he just wants a preset that’s wrong all the time except the 60s
<UmbralRaptop> Phineas Freak: Stock gravity is, uh, very simplified. See the SOI thing and conics.
<UmbralRaptop> But both Earth and Sun gravity have significant effects on the Moon's orbit.
<UmbralRaptop> Not sure which is the largest effect over the time period. Nutation?
<_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] pleroy commented on issue #2196: Peformance issue when vessel isn't newly launched - https://git.io/fjzFI
<_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #2197: Support edition of all manœuvres in a flight plan - https://git.io/fjzFm
<discord-_> B​utcher. — @Phineas Freak would it be rude to suggest to him that it's a game?
<discord-_> B​utcher. — But really, wants realistic gravity simulation, refuses to use mid that gives realistic gravity sim...
<discord-_> B​utcher. — But really, wants realistic gravity simulation, refuses to use mod that gives realistic gravity sim... (edited)
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — I don't see why he needs the moon to be in the exact same position as it was in the 60s
<discord-_> P​hineas Freak. — My first guess was because of the 50th Apollo anniversary. That would be much more accurate if someone was to use Principia...
<discord-_> P​hineas Freak. — Also, the inaccuracy of the celestial body positions is known since the dawn of RSS (almost): https://youtu.be/KoJrIPz6fPE?t=523
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<discord-_> D​amien. — @Phineas Freak tell him to delete system32
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<discord-_> e​gg. — @Phineas Freak replied to this with some numbers
<discord-_> D​amien. — I rate that reply egg/10
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<discord-_> e​gg. — It's easy to get confused about that; the orbit is way more perturbed than people tend to think
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<discord-_> e​gg. — @Phineas Freak @RaiderNick you could do something to help with the phases of the moon, if that is something you care about; the rest is a lost cause.
<discord-_> e​gg. — (see my latest reply to that issue)
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — you had me at `there are 3.43 years between the Apollo 11 launch and the Apollo 17 splashdown`
<discord-_> e​gg. — @Sir Mortimer did I get the dates wrong?
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — no, it was the 3.43 years that i liked about that :)
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — great post btw
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — i'll now go google to find out what it actually means 😄
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — i think that post killed all illusions regarding accuracy of anything regarding celestial body positions and orientations.
<discord-_> e​gg. — precession is a thing
<discord-_> e​gg. — it's way more of a thing that people tend to think
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<discord-_> e​gg. — (this is true for artificial satellites as well)
<discord-_> D​amien. — Explaining to people who try principia and can't launch into plane, why not is one of my favourite things
<discord-_> e​gg. — yeah RSS (and this makes sense) picks the highest possible inclination, i.e. the most forgiving one
<discord-_> D​amien. — You're not in kansas any more Dorothy
<discord-_> D​amien. — That's the moment that principia slaps you in the face and tells you to git gud
<discord-_> D​amien. — That's the moment principia slaps you in the face and tells you to git gud (edited)
<discord-_> D​amien. — @egg \○/
<discord-_> D​amien. — @egg yay (edited)
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — @Damien what's the problem people have, they launch east and wonder why their orbital plane is off?
<discord-_> D​amien. — @Sir Mortimer it's impossible to laugh directly into an orbit with an inclination lower than your launch latitude
<discord-_> e​gg. — @Sir Mortimer no they try to launch when the inclination of the moon wrt the equator is 18ish
<discord-_> D​amien. — @Sir Mortimer it's impossible to launch directly into an orbit with an inclination lower than your launch latitude (edited)
<discord-_> e​gg. — and launch from florida instead of relocating to french guyana
<discord-_> D​amien. — @Sir Mortimer in 'stock' RSS the moon is inclined at around 28°. KSC is around that latitude
<discord-_> D​amien. — So you can always launch to a coplanar orbit
<discord-_> e​gg. — 28 is the maximum inclination it gets irl
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — ah ok. i never launched anywhere but from ksconkerbin
<discord-_> e​gg. — but it goes as low as 18
<discord-_> D​amien. — Principia has no time for your shenanigans
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — but yeah that's painfully obvious
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — ah ok. i never launched anywhere but from ksc on kerbin (edited)
<discord-_> e​gg. — 28°36′ and 18°20′ more accurately
<discord-_> D​amien. — That's nearly always the point where people realise that while they might be pro at RSS, they know nothing (John Snow)
<discord-_> D​amien. — It confused me at first too
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zLS2Wqj7Es
<kmath> YouTube - Kerbalism Van Allen Belts: Kerbal Space Program
<discord-_> e​gg. — nice!
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — damn i forgot to add the magnetopause
<discord-_> e​gg. — @Sir Mortimer you should try putting some on a tilted planet other than the home planet with Principia, to check that it works with tilt
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — (it stays fixed, oriented towards the sun)
<discord-_> D​amien. — @Sir Mortimer is there an 'in belt' situation?
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — yeah that's why i was asking how to tilt something in stock with kopernikus without having to install RSS
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — load times with RSS are not acceptable for testing stuff during development
<discord-_> e​gg. — did you see my reply?
<discord-_> e​gg. — it's easy
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — huh?
<discord-_> e​gg. — > i was asking how to tilt something in stock with kopernikus
<discord-_> e​gg. — I replied to that
<discord-_> e​gg. — a couple of times
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — @Damien i had an in belt situation, but it conflicts with "in space high" so it's removed for now
<discord-_> D​amien. — Ok
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — sorry egg didn't get that
<discord-_> e​gg. — okay lemme dig through the backlog a bit
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — that's what you get from looking at discord on a mobile device a lot
<discord-_> e​gg. — @Sir Mortimer basically:
<discord-_> e​gg. — 2.
<discord-_> e​gg. — ```
<discord-_> e​gg. — principia_gravity_model {
<discord-_> e​gg. — body {
<discord-_> e​gg. — name = Duna
<discord-_> e​gg. — axis_declination = 30 deg
<discord-_> e​gg. — }
<discord-_> e​gg. — }
<discord-_> e​gg. — ```
<discord-_> e​gg. — @Sir Mortimer ^ that will give you a tilted duna (you need retrobop so the Jool system doesn't blow up, we only apply it to a true stock solar system so as soon as you have a `principia_gravity_model` you have to do it yourself, e.g. in Kopernicus)
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — okay
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<discord-_> B​utcher. — Sometimes I think I'm smart, then I look at principia Dev chat and I'm like. 🤥
<_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] eggrobin reviewed pull request #2197 commit - https://git.io/fjzNq
<discord-_> D​amien. — Same here
<_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] pleroy reviewed pull request #2197 commit - https://git.io/fjzNc
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<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — !install
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — erm
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — !principia
<discord-_> R​O Bot. — Download the latest version of Principia from https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/blob/master/README.md; make sure to download the right one for the version of KSP that you are using (otherwise the game will crash on load).
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — ah crap
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — no 1.7.1
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — !ec
<discord-_> R​O Bot. — 1 EC =1kJ
<discord-_> R​O Bot. — 1 EC/s = 1 kW
<discord-_> R​O Bot. —
<discord-_> R​O Bot. — Energy is something that is stored. A battery has X Joules of energy. A supernova contains a very large X Joules of energy.
<discord-_> R​O Bot. —
<discord-_> R​O Bot. — Power is some amount of energy over time. A battery discharging its X Joules of energy will produce Y Watts of power over (X/Y) seconds.
<discord-_> R​O Bot. —
<discord-_> R​O Bot. — Thus: batteries measured in kilo-joules (= 1 EC), and solar panels, RTGs, etc, all measured in watts/kilowatts (where 1 kW = 1 KJ/sec = 1 EC/sec)
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<_whitenotifier-5dfc> [abseil-cpp] pleroy pushed 4 commits to master [+0/-0/±49] https://git.io/fjzAT
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<_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #2198: Upgrade the C# tools and the paths to dependent projects - https://git.io/fjzAB
<_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] eggrobin labeled pull request #2198: Upgrade the C# tools and the paths to dependent projects - https://git.io/fjzAB
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<_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #2198: Upgrade the C# tools and the paths to dependent projects - https://git.io/fjzAB
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<discord-_> 𒀯​ 𒄷 𒄈𒀭𒁇. — [Particularly luminous AGN may output a supernova equivalent every few weeks]
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<_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] pleroy closed issue #1936: [Request] Multiple nodes editing - https://git.io/fAoZ6
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<_whitenotifier-5dfc> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #2197: Support edition of all manœuvres in a flight plan - https://git.io/fjzFm
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<discord-_> B​utcher. — My principia / kOS integration seems to work. 🎉
<discord-_> B​utcher. — I can read manoeuvre info directly from the flight plan.
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — https://youtu.be/CXmeSMBzf1c
<kmath> YouTube - Kerbalism: Van Allen Belts in Kerbal Space Program
<discord-_> D​amien. — @Sir Mortimer really good work there
<discord-_> D​amien. — are they van allen belts if not around earth though? 😛
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — heh
<UmbralRaptop> If you name them kan Allen or something, I am legally obligated to stab you
<discord-_> D​amien. — I'd just call them radiation belts tbh
<discord-_> D​amien. — you know some smug fucker on the forums will call you out on it
<discord-_> D​amien. — ACCHUALLY....
<UmbralRaptop> "radiation belts" is a perfectly good generic term, and IIRC common in the literature
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — ← quickly edits the video description before waking up to a knife in his back
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<discord-_> e​gg. — UmbralRaptop: is "forbidden doughnut" common in the literature
<UmbralRaptop> Unfortunately probably not
<discord-_> T​heRealWiwaxia. — The Ouchie Sphere
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — I have to see what this looks like with rss
<discord-_> e​gg. — @Sir Mortimer have you tested it with principia?
<UmbralRaptop> Speaking of forbidden donuts: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Plutonium_ring.jpg
<discord-_> B​utcher. — In the subject of belts, are the current kerbalism belts in the right place? Or is this what you're fixing?
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<discord-_> D​amien. — that's what he's fixing
<discord-_> B​utcher. — Nice.
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