01:11 <discord-> L​u. — well i asked a dev who was on discord on announce day and he said it probably wouldnt make the game fun for most players

01:12 <discord-> L​u. — so i doubt they doin it

01:12 <discord-> L​u. — anyway hope u guys end up adding it, n body is awesome 🙂

02:26 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin opened pull request #2302: Ground track analysis - https://git.io/fjAv1

02:37 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin synchronize pull request #2302: Ground track analysis - https://git.io/fjAv1

07:32 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy reviewed pull request #2301 commit - https://git.io/fjAUv

07:44 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy labeled pull request #2301: Fix the mac build - https://git.io/fjNji

08:07 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy pushed 3 commits to master [+0/-0/±19] https://git.io/fjAUz

08:07 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin 4fcead2 - fix the mac build

08:07 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin 32f8aa9 - si

08:07 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy bab74a4 - Merge pull request #2301 from eggrobin/fix-the-mac-build Fix the mac build

08:07 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #2301: Fix the mac build - https://git.io/fjNji

08:59 <discord-> D​amien. — @Lu I'm guessing if it can be done it will be done but it won't be quick or easy

09:03 <discord-> L​u. — ok thx

10:52 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #2303: Clean up and modernize our C# code - https://git.io/fjAkZ

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11:30 <discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — It definitely won’t be quick. And as of now we don’t know if it will happen at all. We don’t know if any mods will happen. We don’t even know if the game will happen. All we have are some unspecific movies straight out of a 3d renderer, some even less specific statements of so called devs, and a hoard of hyped fanbois that now fet their hopes up so high that they inevitably will be dis

11:30 <discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — It definitely won’t be quick. And as of now we don’t know if it will happen at all. We don’t know if any mods will happen. We don’t even know if the game will happen. All we have are some unspecific movies straight out of a 3d renderer, some even less specific statements of so called devs, and a hoard of hyped fanbois that now get their hopes up so high that they inevitably will be dis

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12:01 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin synchronize pull request #2302: Ground track analysis - https://git.io/fjAv1

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12:13 <discord-> L​u. — swt

12:14 <discord-> L​u. — a lot of them already seem quite upset on the forums so i can online imagine its going to get worse before it gets better

12:14 <discord-> L​u. — a lot of them already seem quite upset on the forums so i can only imagine its going to get worse before it gets better (edited)

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12:34 <discord-> S​pace Dwarf. — I’m pretty sure I’ve seen some of actual footage

12:35 <discord-> S​pace Dwarf. — Of the in game versions of some of the trailer ships and stations

12:44 <discord-> S​tandecco. — @Sir Mortimer we also have 5 minutes of gameplay

12:45 <discord-> S​tandecco. — and no real reason for the devs to lie. This isn't an AAA title with a huge public, it's a niche game with a very dedicated audience and a very good educational reputation

12:47 <discord-> S​tandecco. — as someone said on the forums, this is a very good title, for a publisher, to have in their catalog; ruining the IP with devs blatantly lying is a very stupid move

12:47 <discord-> L​u. — i would argue that ksp2 is a AAA title

12:47 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #2304: Fix problems found on Linux - https://git.io/fjAIo

12:48 <discord-> L​u. — the price tag (90 here) is exclusively for AAA games, take 2 is a 'mid size' publisher and the dev team is relatively large and has been working on it for around 2 years

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12:49 <discord-> L​u. — oops sry thats off topic for this room

12:49 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin reviewed pull request #2303 commit - https://git.io/fjAI6

12:49 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin reviewed pull request #2303 commit - https://git.io/fjAIi

12:49 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin reviewed pull request #2303 commit - https://git.io/fjAIP

12:49 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin reviewed pull request #2303 commit - https://git.io/fjAIX

12:49 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin reviewed pull request #2303 commit - https://git.io/fjAI1

12:50 <discord-> S​tandecco. — this is _the_ off topic room

12:50 <discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — Lol

12:50 <discord-> S​tandecco. — ksp is an AAA for its price, but you clearly can't compare it to what is currently considered an AAA audience

12:51 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin labeled pull request #2304: Fix problems found on Linux - https://git.io/fjAIo

12:51 <discord-> S​tandecco. — that said, I'm obviously cautious with the game since we still lack the technical details; but I doubt microtransactions and the other controversial topics will be there

12:52 <discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — Oh qnd btw: my general opinion of gamers and their sense of entitlement is only slightly better than my opinion of politicians 😉

12:52 <discord-> L​u. — AAA games aren't all GTAV level

12:52 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin synchronize pull request #2302: Ground track analysis - https://git.io/fjAv1

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12:53 <discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — And as long as KSP2 won’t run on macOS it’s utterly irrelevant for me anyway.

12:54 <discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — @Standecco i think one cannot have microtransactions and mods

12:54 <discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — It’s either the one or the other

12:54 <discord-> L​u. — when they charge that price for it and put 30 ppl behind it for ~3 yrs and a big publisher buys out the prequel, it all points in that direction

12:54 <discord-> S​tandecco. — @Lu yeah, of course they're not on the level of the third best selling game of all times

12:55 <discord-> L​u. — i think some of the concerns are valid as we really dont know the extent to which they will turn this into a cash cow

12:55 <discord-> S​tandecco. — lol, ksp a cash cow

12:55 <discord-> S​tandecco. — @Sir Mortimer when they tried it went horribly wrong in a much more mainstream an larger audience

12:56 <discord-> L​u. — ~50k steam reviews on ksp1 indicate a reasonably large audience

12:57 <discord-> S​tandecco. — skyrim has 18k only in the special edition (only released in 2016) and ignoring the console players

12:59 <discord-> e​gg. — @Sir Mortimer

12:59 <discord-> e​gg. — > We don’t even know if the game will happen.

12:59 <discord-> e​gg. — or when, that is a point that too many forget

12:59 <discord-> e​gg. — also I like the fact that you properly use RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK for apostrophes rather than APOSTROPHE (which should not be used for apostrophes)

12:59 <discord-> e​gg. — afaict it is easier to do so on mac?

13:00 <discord-> e​gg. — @Standecco you do not need to lie for announced release dates not to align with reality

13:01 <discord-> e​gg. — you merely need to encounter the harsh realities of software engineering

13:01 <discord-> S​tandecco. — they said spring 2020, I doubt it'll happen much later

13:01 <discord-> S​tandecco. — it can be delayed, but not much more than a year

13:02 <discord-> S​tandecco. — @egg I don't even have that character in my keyboard

13:09 <discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — @egg it’s the ios auto completion - in this case 😃

13:09 <discord-> S​tandecco. — also, this https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/187315-kerbal-space-program-2-master-post/&do=findComment&comment=3656319

13:10 <discord-> S​tandecco. — ```I can point to dozens of single-player only games which are always online, and KSP2 doesn't even have that argument anymore, allegedly. Games are no longer individual experiences, they are "services" now.

13:10 <discord-> S​tandecco. —

13:10 <discord-> S​tandecco. — Plenty of games with mod support have DRM.

13:10 <discord-> S​tandecco. —

13:10 <discord-> S​tandecco. — I could easily counter saying that the only reason to believe it will stay on steam is hope and optimism. Despite what advertisements for lawyers tell you, past results are a good indicator of the future, its sort of what the scientific method is founded on.

13:10 <discord-> S​tandecco. —

13:10 <discord-> S​tandecco. — Easy. Extra skins, extra parts, extra planets. You know all those upgrades for the buildings in career mode? Easy micro-transaction targets. Want to revert to launch for the 11th time that day? Sorry, you've run out of revert tokens, wait 24 hours, or pay the low, low price of 500 kurbles (i couldn't think of a better pun for a currency then with "ruble", sue me). Why would they do any of this? B

13:10 <discord-> S​tandecco. —

13:10 <discord-> S​tandecco. — It would cost extra money to hire or train support staff, and there's not enough revenue to be gained to offset it, so there's no reason to support it. They'd have more of an incentive to try and get it to run on iOS or Android before supporting MacOS or Desktop Linux.```

13:10 <discord-> S​tandecco. — ```Easy. Extra skins, extra parts, extra planets. You know all those upgrades for the buildings in career mode? Easy micro-transaction targets. Want to revert to launch for the 11th time that day? Sorry, you've run out of revert tokens, wait 24 hours, or pay the low, low price of 500 kurbles (i couldn't think of a better pun for a currency then with "ruble", sue me). Why would they do any of this

13:10 <discord-> S​tandecco. — don't be this guy

13:12 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin reviewed pull request #2303 commit - https://git.io/fjALm

13:14 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin reviewed pull request #2303 commit - https://git.io/fjALs

13:15 <discord-> l​pg. — `kurbles` is brilliant

13:15 <discord-> S​tandecco. — sue him

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13:24 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #2304: Fix problems found on Linux - https://git.io/fjAIo

13:24 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±12] https://git.io/fjAL0

13:24 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy da20352 - Problems found on Linux.

13:24 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy 616f9de - Merge pull request #2304 from pleroy/Linux Fix problems found on Linux

13:31 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy reviewed pull request #2303 commit - https://git.io/fjALr

13:35 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy synchronize pull request #2303: Clean up and modernize our C# code - https://git.io/fjAkZ

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13:44 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #2305: Next release is Fibonacci - https://git.io/fjAte

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13:51 <discord-> e​gg. — I know this channel is bad at having a topic, but could we avoid turning it into #ksp-2-speculation ?

13:53 <discord-> D​amien. — Yeah agreed. That should be in #offtopic if anywhere

13:54 <discord-> S​umguy. — #other-games more like

13:55 <discord-> D​amien. — ^

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14:01 <discord-> e​gg. — this channel is more for catpics and linguistics

14:12 <discord-> D​RVeyl. — Usually folks forbid politics and religion first. But I see how KSP 2 speculation can rise to that level.

14:13 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin labeled pull request #2305: Next release is Fibonacci - https://git.io/fjAte

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14:41 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #2305: Next release is Fibonacci - https://git.io/fjAte

14:41 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/fjAqe

14:41 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy a5a6eed - Next release is Fibonacci.

14:41 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy d973d16 - Merge pull request #2305 from pleroy/Fibonacci Next release is Fibonacci

14:59 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #2306: More tolerances on Linux - https://git.io/fjAqn

14:59 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #2306: More tolerances on Linux - https://git.io/fjAqn

14:59 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±4] https://git.io/fjAqc

14:59 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy cbf6d16 - More tolerances on Linux.

14:59 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy 0e5ea5e - Merge pull request #2306 from pleroy/Linux2 More tolerances on Linux

14:59 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy labeled pull request #2306: More tolerances on Linux - https://git.io/fjAqn

15:00 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin unlabeled pull request #2306: More tolerances on Linux - https://git.io/fjAqn

15:00 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin labeled pull request #2306: More tolerances on Linux - https://git.io/fjAqn

15:23 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy created tag 2019083011-del Ferro - https://git.io/fpDwq

15:23 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy tagged 0e5ea5e as 2019083011-del Ferro https://git.io/fjAqD

16:01 <discord-> e​gg. — https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/releases/tag/2019083011-del%C2%A0Ferro

16:01 <discord-> e​gg. — @Standecco ^

16:01 <discord-> e​gg. — https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scipione_del_Ferro

16:01 <discord-> S​tandecco. — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scipione_del_Ferro

16:13 <discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — Cubic equations can be depressed?

16:14 <discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — I knew stuff could be monotone, even strictly so, but moods are new

16:15 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy commented on pull request #2303: Clean up and modernize our C# code - https://git.io/fjAmr

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16:23 <discord-> e​gg. — @Sir Mortimer I am writing an identifier called `reduced_longitudes_of_equator_crossings_of_ascending_passes_`

16:24 <discord-> e​gg. — maybe I should switch to German identifiers, that way I would save some space with the `_` and `of`

16:26 <discord-> S​tandecco. — did I link that page immediately after you did or was I blind in not seeing you had already posted it?

16:28 <discord-> e​gg. — @Standecco you linked it within the same minute, so might just be lag

16:46 <discord-> e​gg. — https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/wiki/Change-Log#del-ferro

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17:11 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin synchronize pull request #2302: Ground track analysis - https://git.io/fjAv1

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17:15 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy opened issue #2307: Migrate to Disco Dingo - https://git.io/fjAYu

17:15 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy assigned issue #2307: Migrate to Disco Dingo - https://git.io/fjAYu

17:16 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy opened issue #2308: Use non-nullable types in C#8 - https://git.io/fjAYg

17:17 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy opened issue #2309: Run slow tests in post-submit - https://git.io/fjAYa

17:18 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin labeled pull request #2303: Clean up and modernize our C# code - https://git.io/fjAkZ

17:19 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #2303: Clean up and modernize our C# code - https://git.io/fjAkZ

17:19 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy pushed 6 commits to master [+0/-0/±53] https://git.io/fjAYo

17:19 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy df1ff00 - Boxed and BurnEditor.

17:19 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy 38e5869 - All the other things.

17:19 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy 60a42ba - The adapter.

17:19 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] ... and 3 more commits.

17:30 <discord-> S​tandecco. — how much did apside computation impact performance?

17:35 <discord-> e​gg. — @Standecco https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/2261

17:36 <discord-> S​tandecco. — from 8 to 10 fps

17:36 <discord-> S​tandecco. — very good

17:36 <discord-> S​tandecco. — hoping it scales so that 40 fps become 50 fps

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17:57 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin synchronize pull request #2302: Ground track analysis - https://git.io/fjAv1

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23:01 <_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin commented on issue #2237: Trajectory above surface on Phobos ends in Collision - https://git.io/fjAZq

23:42 <discord-> e​gg. — https://i.imgur.com/1KG8VFo.png