raptop changed the topic of #principia to: READ THE FAQ: http://goo.gl/gMZF9H; The current version is Fréchet. We currently target 1.5.1, 1.6.1, and 1.7.x. <scott_manley> anyone that doubts the wisdom of retrograde bop needs to get the hell out | https://xkcd.com/323/ | <egg> calculating the influence of lamont on Pluto is a bit silly… | <egg> also 4e16 m * 2^-52 is uncomfortably large
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<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Man, going interplanetary with srbs is hard
<UmbralRaptor> Precision, or ΔV?
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Precision
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — I have to modify the is rocket before it rolls out to have less deltav actually
<UmbralRaptor> hah
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Turns out I'll have more deltav for my upper stage then I thought I would when I get into orbit
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — I plan on burning all of the fuel in the transfer stage completely and then just have the srb go off right after
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — How does Principia handle multi stage burns in the flight plan?
* UmbralRaptor wants to say that it knows about staging
<discord-> e​gg. — nah it does not know about staging
<discord-> e​gg. — it does not know about inactive engines either
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — So, I guess for a multi stage burn you have to wing it then?
<UmbralRaptor> Unless you're a fungi from Yuggoth, using wings in space is not recommended
<discord-> F​alcon. — Failed to load assembly C:\Users\bluef\Desktop\KSP RSS 1.7.3\GameData\Principia\x64\serialization.dll:
<discord-> F​alcon. — System.BadImageFormatException: Format of the executable (.exe) or library (.dll) is invalid.
<discord-> F​alcon. — What might this mean above?
<discord-> F​alcon. — From reading a little bit on bad image formats, it basically means that the path isnt correct for the utility to find its place
<discord-> l​pg. — it in most likelyhood means absolutely nothing. I've had that particular exception about as long as I've been using princpipia
<discord-> F​alcon. — fair, so that exception is acceptable?
<discord-> F​alcon. — im just trying to go through and figure out my exceptions and issues
<discord-> l​pg. — I have 4 principia-related BadImageFormatExceptions in my logs, they've always appeared harmless
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<discord-> B​utcher. — It means those are c++ dlls so are a "bad format" for c#
<discord-> B​utcher. — It's normal.
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<discord-> e​gg. — @Falcon, have you tried reading the FAQ?
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<discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — @egg you could rename the DLLs to something with a different file extension
<discord-> e​gg. — I guess, but that would be kinda weird
<discord-> e​gg. — admittedly we already screw up a bit on mac, where we call it .so instead of .dylib
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<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] eggrobin labeled pull request #2452: Clean up after the merge of #2438 - https://git.io/JvkIt
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<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] pleroy 8d4b109 - I am a bit of a piglet myself.
<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] pleroy 32da6c3 - Merge pull request #2452 from pleroy/Cleanup Clean up after the merge of #2438
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<discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — We rename our KSP version specific dll files to kbin and load the correct binary for whichever version we detect at runtime
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<discord-> e​gg. — @Sir Mortimer yeah but we have assembly manifests, I'm not sure those would like that trick
<discord-> e​gg. — (otoh, I guess if we felt adventurous we could use that kind of trick to target multiple architectures and be faster on AVX)
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<discord-> B​utcher. — All the avx please.
* discord- e​gg. — gives @Butcher a VAX_
<discord-> h​otchilliAS. — Anyone got any suggestions for interplanetary launch window planning? (First attempt)
<discord-> B​utcher. — @egg 🤨
<discord-> B​utcher. — You can have a pdp then.
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<discord-> e​gg. — @hotchilliAS not sure about window planning (besides the fact that the windows are the same as they are in real life), maybe others here have some advice; in order to plan the actual manoeuvres, use the reference frame centred on the target planet which fixes the direction of the sun (same principle as the frame used for a rendez-vous)
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<discord-> h​otchilliAS. — Alright, thanks. I'll have a play about with it
<discord-> e​gg. — @Butcher, @lpg, @Damien: Could you try playing with RO+Principia for a while on a save where you *don't* delete vessels, so we can have data on the kind of vessel histories that we accumulate (and so we can try to compress them in smart ways)
<discord-> D​amien. — I'm PCless at the moment. Sorry
<discord-> D​amien. — What about someone with a fleshed out RO adding principia and timewarping for a while?
<discord-> D​amien. — What about someone with a fleshed out RO install adding principia and timewarping for a while? (edited)
<discord-> D​amien. — Wouldn't be ideal but would be useful for those with lots of crafts in play
<discord-> D​amien. — Wouldn't be ideal but would be useful for data on those with lots of crafts in play (edited)
<discord-> B​utcher. — @egg I guess, though the massive history gets annoying.
<discord-> B​utcher. — I have a vessel up at the moment that's been running for a couple of years or so, in a boring orbit.
<discord-> F​alcon. — do you want their PCs to explode egg?
<discord-> F​alcon. — xD
<discord-> e​gg. — @Butcher well the annoying history is the point, we want to see how we can do things so they don't get big
<discord-> F​alcon. — if its just for an experiment alright, but 30+ vessels in space, debris or active satellites definitely hits the performance
<discord-> B​utcher. — Time to install VS on this computer.
<discord-> B​utcher. — Glad I have fast internet.
<discord-> e​gg. — @Falcon we're not looking at the warp performance here, just savefile size
<discord-> e​gg. — @Butcher so I guess if timewarp gets too slow feel free to destroy some vessels, just don't delete them for the sole purpose of keeping the save smol
<discord-> l​pg. — if a choice needs to be made, any particular "kinds" of vessels that would be most worth preserving?
<discord-> D​amien. — I'm guessing satellites in repeating orbits are the main problem from previous discussions
<discord-> D​amien. — LEO sats etc
<discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — if it's a compression thing, then you want to delete satellites that have very noodly histories. orbiters, interplanetary transits not so much.
<discord-> B​utcher. — Yes, I have a few sats in boring LEO.
<discord-> B​utcher. — I don't need 1000 days of history there.
<discord-> F​alcon. — i know you arent @egg i was just commenting that it was going to "kill" their PCs by attempting to do that
<discord-> F​alcon. — :p
<discord-> D​amien. — That's the idea
<discord-> e​gg. — @Sir Mortimer well, the thing is the noodly ones are fairly regular orbits
<discord-> e​gg. — so we might be able to store them in a more compact form (Fourier transforming them maybe?)
<discord-> e​gg. — and yeah, the stuff that's not periodic is likely not the main problem
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