raptop changed the topic of #principia to: READ THE FAQ: http://goo.gl/gMZF9H; The current version is Fréchet. We currently target 1.5.1, 1.6.1, and 1.7.x. <scott_manley> anyone that doubts the wisdom of retrograde bop needs to get the hell out | https://xkcd.com/323/ | <egg> calculating the influence of lamont on Pluto is a bit silly… | <egg> also 4e16 m * 2^-52 is uncomfortably large
<discord-_> F​alcon. — That is what I have been doing for the most part egg, what i was planning on doing, was planning all my maneuvers through the original model, deleting that plan, then copying the 2nd and 3rd maneuvers now onto the new plans 1st and 2nd maneuvers, (copying from a screenshot) then going from there
<discord-_> F​alcon. — that is how i was planning to do it
<discord-_> F​alcon. — yeah, enough playing around this evening, slowly learning about how to do interplanetary missions then
<discord-_> K​irk. — Aw, you told him the truth? Convincing people the IRC bot is sentient is fun
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<discord-_> l​pg. — sorry. it got painful to watch
<discord-_> l​pg. — @egg still looking for saves with long-lived boring craft? my quicksave times have gotten out of hand, so this is as long-lived as mine are going to get. (2 vessels, 1600d and 1400d, accounting for 155MB of a 162MB save)
<discord-_> n​eph. — That was hard to read
<discord-_> n​eph. — I'm laughing in the club
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<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — @egg I will, but I'll be quite swamped by real life matters for a while
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — oh my
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — > I dont know the difference between a human talking through it and the algorithm
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — my sides 🤣
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — don't worry falcon, they do that all the time 😛
<discord-_> n​eph. — I'd pay to get somebody to set up a couple covert GPT-2 bots and unleash them on the server
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — I've been discovered.
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — *beeps*
<discord-_> e​gg. — @lpg yes, I am interested
<discord-_> e​gg. — @lpg post the save on https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/2400
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — egg must be the fastest keyboard switcher in the world
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — and fun fact: windows has, for some reason, 2 different shortcuts
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — windows key + space
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — ctrl + shift
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — alt+k = ∆
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — they both work in the exact same way
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — (mac)
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — who uses that
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — get out of here with your unix stuff
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — look how i can type manœuvre without even looking
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — œ is alt+ö (and seriously, who doesn't have ö on a keyboard)
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — I, unsurprisingly, don't
<discord-_> e​gg. — I really need to make myself a layout with which I can type French, it's embarrassing
<discord-_> e​gg. — (considering that I'm french,)
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — I raise you by an ß.
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — I need 2 different keyboards just for discord
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — luckily english is just a subset of the characters i need for german
<discord-_> e​gg. — @Sir Mortimer ꜩ
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — but considering how rarely i type german on that keyboard, i would be better of with a en layout anyway
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — @egg you're cheating. that's not a real character.
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — this laptop has no numpad, so to get ` and ~ I have to switch to the US layout
<discord-_> K​enira. — > œ is alt+ö (and seriously, who doesn't have ö on a keyboard)
<discord-_> K​enira. —
<discord-_> K​enira. — > I, unsurprisingly, don't
<discord-_> K​enira. —
<discord-_> K​enira. — *laughs in german*
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — `´`´`´
<discord-_> e​gg. — @Sir Mortimer ſz
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — @egg what are those?
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — @Standecco he's cheating. he probably just copy+pasted a character from the next principia release name.
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — i mean
<discord-_> e​gg. — ſtandecco
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — hey @egg, ltr release names when?
<discord-_> e​gg. — well the current one is left-to-right
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — محمد بن موسی خوارزمی
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — is there an alphabet that principia has never used?
<discord-_> e​gg. — oh plenty
<discord-_> e​gg. — all the indic scripts, cuneiform, mongolian...
<discord-_> e​gg. — @Sir Mortimer I think you meant RTL
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — not many mongolian mathematicians, eh?
<discord-_> e​gg. — @Sir Mortimer but https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/wiki/Change-Log#%D7%A4%D7%A8%D7%A0%D7%A7%D7%9C, https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/wiki/Change-Log#%D8%A8%D9%88%DA%98%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C
<discord-_> e​gg. — @Standecco oh there are some
<discord-_> e​gg. — ᠮᠢᠨᠭᠭᠠᠲᠦ
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — I couldn't even begin to read that name
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — it's just a single character
<discord-_> e​gg. — @Standecco well, conveniently, you have it there in four different scripts
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — i'm still waiting for principia 𓁧𓁉𓂀𓇌
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — I'm waiting for principia in sardo
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — it's a language
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — it even has some wikipedia pages
<discord-_> e​gg. — ᠮᠢᠨᠭᠭᠠᠲᠦ, 明安图, Мянгат
<discord-_> e​gg. — @Sir Mortimer is that a name?
<discord-_> e​gg. — I don't think we have names of any mathematicians from that time
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — might have the name of some medics
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — or something in cuneiform 𒀆𒀁𒀏𒀚𒀞
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — i swear that last symbol means "rocket"
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — how does that even work?
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — @egg no it's just random hieroglyphs. I think they didn't really have mathematicians back then.
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — oh wow
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — 𒀰
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — that there is *ONE* character
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — even better: 𒀱
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — oh wow
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — no wonder no one knew how to read or write
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — what do these characters correspond to?
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — Noun
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — 𒀱 (DNAGA, DALḪAMUN)
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — I guess that doesn't answer your question.
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — ΅΅
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — apparently the name of a god
<discord-_> n​eph. — why, I just spotted some IPA and not the hopsey kind
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — > ΅΅
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — αππαρεντλy, τhισ κομες υπ whεν yου hιτ "shift+q" τwιcε ιν α γρεεκ κεyβοαρδ
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — lol
<discord-_> B​utcher. — You lot are crazy.
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — I'm starting to notice that english has 10 times the amount of sounds of romance languages
<discord-_> B​utcher. — English is a bit odd, because it's a mashup of greek, latin, french and german
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — yeah but what even is y
<discord-_> B​utcher. — I suppose, saxon rather than german.
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — latin or greek had that as a u
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — in a similar pronunciation to "you"
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — y ~ ü
<discord-_> n​eph. — Here's a pretty tame phonemic chart for standard (received?) English. Once you start trying to keep track of all the myriad regional accents it quickly becomes horribly overwhelming.
<discord-_> B​utcher. — Þou?
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — I guess the v or c (like in cheese, not cake) were also not present in latin or greek, but those appeared in other languages too
<discord-_> B​utcher. — They could be sounds from germanic influence rather than latin.
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — @neph the vowels alone are almost as big as the entire italian phonetic alphabet
<discord-_> n​eph. — we do have many vowels
<discord-_> n​eph. — Yet there are so many more out there!
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — the hardest thing to teach to kids here is how different pronounciation is from the written form. we're used to write stuff as we speak it in german. similar to latin. but then you sit there and have to explain to a 6 year old why the english say i to the letter e, and how u is pronounced as a most of the time...
<discord-_> B​utcher. — Yeah, I'm learning Spanish and it's nice to have one pronunciation for everything and no silent letters.
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — hermano!
<discord-_> B​utcher. — You can thank French for a lot of the crazy stuff I suspect. 😉
<discord-_> B​utcher. — Si, amigo!
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — h in spanish is not silent
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — but it is a hell of a lot different from the german h 🙂
<discord-_> n​eph. — The fact that half our lexicon is Saxon and the other half is Norman and then they tried to latinfy everything in the 1700s doesn't help either
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — oh, italian doesn't even have that sound
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — we struggle a lot in that regard
<discord-_> B​utcher. — j is closer to other german h I'd imagine (assuming german h is similar to english).
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — the real italian accent is not having any difference between words with initial h or without it
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — 99% of people either add it to all words or omit it from all words
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — @Standecco a canadian once asked me how we say "good bye" in german. I replied with "tschüss" - and got empty stares. they just didn't know how to even attempt pronouncing ü
<discord-_> n​eph. — There's a vowel that simply doesn't exist in English
<discord-_> B​utcher. — ü is a bit like "oo" in some cases?
<discord-_> n​eph. — We've got that in spades, but not rounded
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — @Sir Mortimer we should all switch to esperanto anyway
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — https://translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=auto&tl=en&text=dem%20kübel%20ist%20übel
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — @Butcher I think it's more like υ in greek
<discord-_> n​eph. — @Butcher Take the "i" in bit and then make your lips round instead of wide while saying it
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — @Sir Mortimer wow, that's a closed vowel
<discord-_> B​utcher. — It's the u in uber is how I think of it.
<discord-_> n​eph. — No, the u in uber is too far back in your mouth
<discord-_> n​eph. — At least where I'm from, you say that almost at the base of your tongue
<discord-_> B​utcher. — Depends how you say uber.
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — > No, the u in uber is too far back in your mouth
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — yeah, in what accent?
<discord-_> n​eph. — NC Appalachia 🤷
<discord-_> B​utcher. — ok, more like the ou of you?
<discord-_> n​eph. — Yes, but I think ever more forward? Unsure
<discord-_> n​eph. — That sound is at the middle of my tongue for me
<discord-_> B​utcher. — Bear in mind I speak RP english more or less.
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — like the u in Ubermensch
<discord-_> n​eph. — Ah, a foreign language to us hick hillybillies
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — @Butcher what's RP english?
<discord-_> n​eph. — 👑
<discord-_> B​utcher. — Received pronunciation.
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — landan english?
<discord-_> n​eph. — BBC English
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — I speak BE
<discord-_> B​utcher. — Not Landan.
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — which is short for broken english
<discord-_> B​utcher. — That's cockney or more likely these days, estuary.
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — do you have a loicence to use the soidewalk?
<discord-_> B​utcher. — @neph The Queen is a bit different from how most folk speak these days, she's still got her 1950s accent.
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — @Butcher so it's similar to this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kbKoStfAHQ
<discord-_> n​eph. — We need to resurrect the Transatlantic accent, it's the 20s again
<discord-_> n​eph. — "annyaang"
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — @Butcher for u, take the ü in "cuenta" (sorry, it's the only spanish word with an u that I can think of) and make it a lot more closed
<discord-_> B​utcher. — @Sir Mortimer Kindof, but he has an odd accent (he's very Alan Rickman).
<discord-_> B​utcher. — Have you seen The Crown?
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — @Butcher for ü, take the u in "cuenta" (sorry, it's the only spanish word with an u that I can think of) and make it a lot more closed (edited)
<discord-_> B​utcher. — @Standecco Yeah that makes sense.
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — @Butcher yes
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — sigh. accents.
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — I'll never loose mine.
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — but at least i can pass for a german, when I want to.
<discord-_> B​utcher. — Tommy Lascelles is a good example.
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — and I could blend in with the siwss, if I don't talk too much 😛
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — and I could blend in with the swiss, if I don't talk too much 😛 (edited)
<discord-_> n​eph. — Speaking of excellent accents, I used to fly with this guy in CalMil. Endlessly entertaining when he piped up on comms. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4bS_YdNNgQ
<discord-_> B​utcher. — In fact both of these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk6DJBTKBvQ
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — aah, nice.
<discord-_> B​utcher. — Mine accent has a bit of a Manchester inflection, so not exactly that, but not far off.
<discord-_> B​utcher. — My accent has a bit of a Manchester inflection, so not exactly that, but not far off. (edited)
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — oh my. if you have problems with Ü, never ever go to switzerland.
<discord-_> B​utcher. — Just need to go to the French bit.
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — @neph what is that accent?
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — it sounds like a weird version of the accent that 1960s US propaganda had
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — the bad mic quality probably helps in that regard
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — nah that's not an accent I'd associate with the US
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — me neither, in truth, but it still reminded me of those old videos
<discord-_> n​eph. — It's been years since I last talked to that guy, I want to say he said someplace not too far north of London
<discord-_> B​utcher. — Sounds about right.
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — yeah I can see that
<discord-_> B​utcher. — Sounded home counties to me.
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — it's not pure london accent either, right?
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — I'm not that good with accents, but since literally no one guesses where I'm from based on my accent, I guess I'm condoned
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — If I could pick an accent to learn, I'd pick australian 😛
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — in italian, I mean
<discord-_> n​eph. — Mortimer, seconded.
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — @Sir Mortimer acadaca?
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — that's ACDC for you
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — not really an accent thing, but australian nonetheless
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — it's the way they say water that I feel in love with. wohtah
<discord-_> B​utcher. — @Sir Mortimer Struth g'day mate, throw another shrimp on the barbie!
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — hehehe
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — finally found it
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsUvcjk8J5c
<discord-_> S​tandecco. — the narrator has a thick accent, the guy doesn't speak english at all
<discord-_> B​utcher. — The second one I can follow, but that first guy is like WTF.
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<discord-_> e​gg. — @Sir Mortimer yeah 𒀱 is fun (cc @bofh453)
<discord-_> e​gg. — @Standecco the [h] thing exists in the French accent too
<discord-_> e​gg. — but we also screw up stress and final s
<discord-_> e​gg. — @Butcher nah German *ü* is [y] like french *u*
<discord-_> B​utcher. — My french skills are poor.
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<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] lpgagnon commented on issue #2400: History persistence lets .sfs files get very large - https://git.io/Jv3Gj
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<discord-_> T​ransparent_Elemental. — i just installed principia after a long break
<discord-_> T​ransparent_Elemental. — these orbits are way too dank man
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<discord-_> M​yshiko. — I love those orbits - with KS3P bloom on, the orbits are so shiny 🙂