raptop changed the topic of #principia to: READ THE FAQ: http://goo.gl/gMZF9H; The current version is Galileo. We currently target 1.5.1, 1.6.1, 1.7.x, 1.8.1, and 1.9.1. <scott_manley> anyone that doubts the wisdom of retrograde bop needs to get the hell out | https://xkcd.com/323/ | <egg> calculating the influence of lamont on Pluto is a bit silly… | <egg> also 4e16 m * 2^-52 is uncomfortably large
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<_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] lpgagnon opened issue #2716: Crash during ascent after dropping boosters - https://git.io/JUCtl
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<_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] lpgagnon edited issue #2716: Crash during ascent after dropping boosters - https://git.io/JUCtl
<_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] lpgagnon edited issue #2716: Crash during ascent after dropping boosters - https://git.io/JUCtl
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<discord-> S​tandecco. — @egg does calling `Planetarium.SetUniversalTime()` at the start of a new save create issues with Principia?
<discord-> S​tandecco. — I don't think it should, but just to be sure
<discord-> e​gg. — if you go back in time it will instantly crash, if you go forward we will integrate. What are you trying to do though
<discord-> e​gg. — @Standecco if you just want to start the game later than 1951, you should probably modify the Principia `game_epoch` and the RSSTimeFormatter `epoch` instead
<discord-> S​tandecco. — I have this mod: https://github.com/Standecco/CustomScenarioManager
<discord-> S​tandecco. — it should ideally support any planet pack (and both stock/principia), so I'm trying to make sure that everything works
<discord-> e​gg. — yeah, in that case you would want to change the epochs of the stock orbits when you are not moving things with principia
<discord-> e​gg. — does the game still crash after 68 years from time 0, or did they fix that
<discord-> S​tandecco. — uh, let's check that
<discord-> S​tandecco. — > change the epochs of the stock orbits when you are not moving things with principia
<discord-> S​tandecco. — why is that needed? Won't they automatically move to the correct position according to the UT when I change it?
<discord-> e​gg. — yes but my point is that you could do that while keeping game start = UT 0
<discord-> S​tandecco. — at the moment I have this extremely simple method to update the time: https://github.com/Standecco/CustomScenarioManager/blob/master/src/KSPScenarioManager/Scenario.cs#L200-L207
<discord-> e​gg. — and in that case you will avoid bugs arising from large UT
<discord-> S​tandecco. — @egg but then stock will show the clock as "Y1-001"
<discord-> S​tandecco. — at the moment I have this extremely simple method to update the time: https://github.com/Standecco/CustomScenarioManager/blob/master/src/KSPScenarioManager/Scenario.cs#L200-L207
<discord-> S​tandecco. — and this to parse various date formats: <https://github.com/Standecco/CustomScenarioManager/blob/master/src/KSPScenarioManager/DateHandler.cs> (edited)
<discord-> e​gg. — that can be worked around, complete game breakage cannot
<discord-> S​tandecco. — I'm sure that stock works with negative values because I ended up with them while testing date conversion
<discord-> e​gg. — (maybe stock no longer requires less than 2^31 seconds of UT, but there is also the questions of mods that would do the same stupid thing; you really want to test that extensively)
<discord-> e​gg. — the question is not negative values, it is large values. Stock used to put UT into a signed 32-bit integer at one point, which meant the game broke after 68 years.
<discord-> s​iimav. — Hmm, how is Scorpu's career still working in 2030+?
<discord-> S​tandecco. — right, it's a `double` now
<discord-> e​gg. — it has always been a double
<discord-> e​gg. — what I am saying is that some part of the logic would try to fit it into an int
<discord-> e​gg. — @siimav maybe they fixed it?
<discord-> e​gg. — (no idea who scorpu is or what their career setup is)
<discord-> s​iimav. — Any guess on the KSP ver it used to be an issue? Scorpu has a long-running career in KSP 1.2.2.
<discord-> S​tandecco. — seems to not have crashed, so good
<discord-> e​gg. — @siimav I remember that from the days when @NathanKell eggsisted, so that was a while ago
<discord-> e​gg. — @Standecco please try to use the game a bit in that setup to see if some common mods or weird corners of the game are unhappy, but maybe it now works
<discord-> s​iimav. — RP-1 itself would definitely be happier with large UTs rather than epoch values
<discord-> S​tandecco. — @egg if I set the epoch for each celestial body to my new UT, won't I have large values there instead? Isn't it just shifting the problem around?
<discord-> e​gg. — most systems do not look at the orbit epoch, most systems do look at the UT
<discord-> S​tandecco. — > please try to use the game a bit in that setup to see if some common mods or weird corners of the game are unhappy, but maybe it now works
<discord-> S​tandecco. — I'll do you one better, I'm going to land a kerbal on Duna in 2020
<discord-> e​gg. — but again, maybe most systems are better-behaved and my concerns are no longer relevant
<discord-> e​gg. — there is nothing inherently bad about large UTs (at least not until you get much larger), this is just defence against stupid logic
<discord-> S​tandecco. — the external mod concern is still valid, though, so I might end up changing the epochs
<discord-> S​tandecco. — the issue would be that I'd have to create a custom KSP calendar to show the correct date
<discord-> e​gg. — yeah but then maybe you will screw with mods that do expect some value of UT=0, as @siimav pointed out
<discord-> e​gg. — perhaps changing UT is now the way to go
<discord-> e​gg. — > I'll do you one better, I'm going to land a kerbal on Duna in 2020
<discord-> e​gg. — try it with Principia and enjoy the load times
<discord-> e​gg. — (we will recompute the solar system from t=0 on every scene change)
<discord-> e​gg. — (yes we know, we should not, this is part of #2400)
<discord-> S​tandecco. — was going to get to that - would changing `game_epoch` work around the issue?
<discord-> e​gg. — nope
<discord-> S​tandecco. — alright, so there's nothing I have to do to support principia or to ease anything
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<Blu3wolf> is that #2400 a public bug? Is it something we can view?
<discord-> S​tandecco. — it is an issue in the principia github repo
<discord-> S​tandecco. — you can view it, yes
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<Blu3wolf> Thanks!
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<discord-> Z​eusbeer. — 2400 😭
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<discord-> B​uilderbast. — Wait how does that bot work, im seriously concerned
<discord-> B​uilderbast. — Wait how does that bot work, im seriously confused (edited)
<discord-> D​amien. — it's advanced alien tech from tthe future
<discord-> D​amien. — right bot?
<discord-> D​amien. — it's advanced alien tech from the future (edited)
<UmbralRaptop> Yes, definitely aliens
<UmbralRaptop> The synapsid named Damien is correct
<discord-> B​uilderbast. — So i can just talk to the bot?
<UmbralRaptop> Yes, though really you're talking to an IRC bridge
<discord-> Z​eusbeer. — Interesting bot
<discord-> B​uilderbast. — Ah cool
<discord-> Z​eusbeer. — How do I talk trough it?
<discord-> Z​eusbeer. — And how do we know if it's egg or anyone else
<discord-> B​uilderbast. — You must bring an offering, that worked for me
<discord-> Z​eusbeer. — A smile good enough?
<discord-> H​onorabaru Emperor. — @鹊桥IRC can you talk to me
<discord-> H​onorabaru Emperor. — magic AI alien tech
<discord-> D​amien. — @Zeusbeer
<discord-> D​amien. — 鹊桥IRC: U​mbralRaptop. is UmbralRaptop using the bot
<discord-> D​amien. — the name changes
<discord-> Z​eusbeer. — Wowie
<discord-> Z​eusbeer. — Incroyable
<discord-> D​amien. — the bot just copy/paste every from here to there and there to here
<discord-> D​amien. — the bot just copy/pastes everything from here to there and there to here (edited)
<UmbralRaptop> Yeah. Also, edits look weird on this end, and I'm not sure reactions come through
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<egg|laptop|egg> > how do you know if it’s egg
<egg|laptop|egg> well, it says egg
<discord-> Z​eusbeer. — 👀
<discord-> Z​eusbeer. — heyo
<egg|laptop|egg> 𒉭
<discord-> Z​eusbeer. — so why are some people limited to talking via this irc bridge?
<raptop> Granted, discord isn't as bad resource-wise as slack, but it's no irssi
<discord-> Z​eusbeer. — ?
<egg|laptop|egg> because some people find IRC convenient, are in a pile of IRC channels already, and don’t want to start using a different thing just for the Principia channel
<egg|laptop|egg> and vice-versa, the IRC channel pre-exists the discord but lots of people are on the discord and not on the IRC channel
<discord-> Z​eusbeer. — mhm, those people probably used IRCs before I was born
<discord-> Z​eusbeer. — my guess was that it was ment for people where discord is banned in their country
<discord-> e​gg. — nope, it is just that the IRC channel existed, and this started existing independently, and having to keep track of two independent channels annoyed me (and joining them meant that questions from one place could be answered by people from the other, too)
<discord-> Z​eusbeer. — incroyable, principia must have been a really closed group for a long time
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<discord-> Z​eusbeer. — I must have been living under a rock, never heard of IRC before this
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<discord-> _​felixu_. — Where do you even get access to IRC?
<discord-> D​amien. — Anyone else feel super old right now?
<raptop> felixu: sudo apt-get install irssi (or weechat or whatever)
<discord-> Z​eusbeer. — most people used skype before discord :?
<raptop> Or I guess, yum, depending on your distro
<discord-> _​felixu_. — It's a linux thing only?
<discord-> l​pg. — I feel like yelling at some kids to get off my lawn
<discord-> _​felixu_. — Please, for real, excuse me for being born in the 21st century
<discord-> Z​eusbeer. — 2003 gang 🤡
<discord-> D​amien. — Kids these days don't even remember the loading sound of the ZX spectrum
<raptop> nah, there are irc clients all over the place, I'm just being silly
<raptop> notably hexchat
<discord-> D​amien. — And rotary phones
<discord-> D​amien. — And the fall of the Soviet union
<discord-> S​tonesmile. — ZX spectrum was last produced in '92... thats not only kids not remembering that
<discord-> D​amien. — Admittedly I was super young then
<discord-> l​pg. — speaking of feeling old <https://twitter.com/IncredibleCulk/status/1298730289737293824?s=20>
<kmath> <✔IncredibleCulk> Hey guys, wanna feel old? ⏎ ⏎ I'm 40. ⏎ ⏎ You're welcome.
<discord-> s​cimas. — I'm old enough to have been alive when irc was one of the only few chatting protocols (?) around but young enough to have never used it myself.
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<discord-> l​amont. — i'm 48, i used IRC an awful lot
<discord-> B​utcher. — > Anyone else feel super old right now?
<discord-> B​utcher. — @Damien yes.
<discord-> B​utcher. — I remember when you basically had irc and icq as options.
<discord-> B​utcher. — Last *millenium*.
<discord-> s​martdummies. — > i'm 48, i used IRC an awful lot
<discord-> s​martdummies. — @XKdiver Thank god I'm not the oldest one here. 44 and please everyone - Get Off My Lawn.
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<raptop> watch rashid sunyaev log in, or something
<discord-> S​kylar. — I am but a youngling and havent really used much of any chat service outside of discord before discord
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