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<queqiao-> ⟨Slothnaut⟩ Could anyone point me where i could get assisted with fixing this error
<queqiao-> ⟨Al2Me6⟩ Have you considered reading the top message?
<queqiao-> ⟨Slothnaut⟩ i did
<queqiao-> ⟨Slothnaut⟩ and i installed it
<queqiao-> ⟨Sumguy⟩ You did not
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ It appears that you installed the wrong thing, then installed the correct thing while leaving the wrong thing installed
<queqiao-> ⟨Al2Me6⟩ ⟪Slothnaut⟫ unknown.png ⮪ wut
<queqiao-> ⟨Slothnaut⟩ which one should i remove
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ (and quite possibly installed the correct thing wrong, too, but that’s another question)
<queqiao-> ⟨Sumguy⟩ The master folder
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ you should remove both, and start over, following the instructions
<queqiao-> ⟨Slothnaut⟩ ok, so should i only install the one linked in the read me
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ and put it in the right place; the second message in your screenshot sounds like it went in the wrong place.
<queqiao-> ⟨Slothnaut⟩ i placed the principia folder in the game data so it should be the correct path now
<queqiao-> ⟨Mudkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ you got it this time from releases right
<queqiao-> ⟨Slothnaut⟩ Yes i got the correct version and it is working now, thank you gentlemen
<queqiao-> ⟨Kerbinator(no guarantee suggest)⟩ execute source code 🤣
<queqiao-> idk whether you put the binary with the source in two folders in gamedata
<queqiao-> ⟨Zeusbeer⟩ Egg I think your DLL needs more angry capital letters
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<queqiao-> ⟨von Kerman⟩ it's not ok, flyby without impact 😦 i […] ⮪ Success! The improved script deviated from the Moon by just 652km! It's immune to variance, spool-up, loss of communications if the burn is directly prograde, and fits in 500 bytes which is the avionics storage limits 🙂
<queqiao-> ⟨von Kerman⟩ Success! The improved script deviated from the Moon by just 652km! It's immune to variance, spool-up, loss of communications if the burn is directly prograde, and fits in 500 bytes which is the avionics storage limit 🙂
<queqiao-> ⟨MucYum⟩ @everyone
<queqiao-> Gifts for the new year, nitro for 3 months from Steam:
<queqiao-> ⟨Kerbinator(no guarantee suggest)⟩ ⟪von Kerman⟫ Success! The improved script deviated […] ⮪ with early tech?
<queqiao-> ⟨von Kerman⟩ Not really early tech. It's not direct ascent. I have 1958 rocketry (RD-0105) and deep space avionics so I can wait in parking orbit.
<bees> careful, next step would be starting your own space program... irl
<bees> this is what happens after you start to write scripts to complete missions
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<queqiao-> ⟨Stonesmile⟩ ⟪von Kerman⟫ Success! The improved script deviated […] ⮪ How do you account for variance? (I assume you use the effective spool up time to account for spool up?)
<queqiao-> ⟨von Kerman⟩ Counting dV that is actually expended
<queqiao-> ⟨von Kerman⟩ E:activate.
<queqiao-> SET DVE TO 0.
<queqiao-> SET T0 TO T.
<queqiao-> WAIT 0.
<queqiao-> ⟨von Kerman⟩ dve - total dV expended, dvm - planned dV for the maneuver
<queqiao-> ⟨Stonesmile⟩ So you update the acceleration each time step?
<queqiao-> ⟨von Kerman⟩ yes, each physics tick
<queqiao-> ⟨Stonesmile⟩ That'll do it 😆
<queqiao-> ⟨von Kerman⟩ no need to calculate spool up 🙂
<queqiao-> ⟨Kerbinator(no guarantee suggest)⟩ Hmm, however why I didn't see PRmanoeurve in this script
<queqiao-> ⟨von Kerman⟩ what is PRmaneuvre
<queqiao-> ⟨von Kerman⟩ * PRmaneuvre?
<queqiao-> ⟨Kerbinator(no guarantee suggest)⟩ the manoeurve node of Principia
<queqiao-> ⟨Kerbinator(no guarantee suggest)⟩ So you need to activite it manually via key binding?
<queqiao-> ⟨von Kerman⟩ i don't have any integration with principia or anything, and it's not the whole script anyway
<queqiao-> ⟨Stonesmile⟩ ⟪von Kerman⟫ no need to calculate spool up 🙂 ⮪ RF has a field for it (recent update), it should make a small difference for precise manoeuvres
<queqiao-> ⟨von Kerman⟩ this is the whole script
<queqiao-> ⟨von Kerman⟩ well, i'm trying to fit this in 500 bytes. 500.
<queqiao-> ⟨von Kerman⟩ so no integration, no fancy things at all
<queqiao-> ⟨von Kerman⟩ script is activated in kOS console some time before the burn, then it waits until the maneuver time which is also specified in the parameters
<queqiao-> ⟨Kerbinator(no guarantee suggest)⟩ kinda extreme though, precisely 500B
<queqiao-> ⟨Kerbinator(no guarantee suggest)⟩ ⟪von Kerman⟫ this is the whole script ⮪ You still need to start burn process with pressing E?
<queqiao-> ⟨von Kerman⟩ no, i need to enter this in the console: run burn("E3", "PROGRADE", 3147, 30).
<queqiao-> ⟨von Kerman⟩ and it will burn in 30 minutes from the command.
<queqiao-> ⟨von Kerman⟩ using engine tagged "E3" and SAS mode "PROGRADE", dV 3147 m/s.
<queqiao-> ⟨Kerbinator(no guarantee suggest)⟩ hmm, so it may not execute any other type of manoeurve because of lack of Principia node involvement
<queqiao-> ⟨Kerbinator(no guarantee suggest)⟩ (Fixed angle to velocity vector, or inertially fixed relative to inertial space)
<queqiao-> ⟨von Kerman⟩ No, it can use SAS mode "MANEUVER" to execute any principia maneuver.
<queqiao-> ⟨Kerbinator(no guarantee suggest)⟩ 👀
<queqiao-> ⟨von Kerman⟩ But this fails when there is no signal. It must be done when there is signal.
<queqiao-> ⟨von Kerman⟩ "PROGRADE" works anytime, even without signal, I only need to remember to set maneuver reference frame on the navball.
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<queqiao-> ⟨scimas⟩ egg, you are still including the barycentric navball asset in the releases. Not an issue, just fyi. Also, what is the the navball_compass used for? Looks like it's just a rotated navball_surface.
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin opened issue #3277: Crash in TEST3274 - https://git.io/J9GFg
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<queqiao-> ⟨ganlhi⟩ Hello! Is there a video somewhere showing the proper way to do a rendez vous with Principia? I read the wiki, managed to configure the navball in the correct mode so my map shows the "loops", but I'm not sure about how to use them to determine the closest approach and how many sync orbits will be needed.
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<queqiao-> ⟨Damien⟩ ⟪ganlhi⟫ Hello! Is there a video somewhere […] ⮪ Each loop is an orbit around the planet/moon. If you get an intercept with your target and it's on a loop 6 loops away, you'll intercept in 6 orbits
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<queqiao-> ⟨Damien⟩ So where the stock system only shows you your next two closest intercepts, principia shows you as many as you want
<queqiao-> ⟨Mudkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ would anyone like some spaghetti
<queqiao-> ⟨ganlhi⟩ Ok so I just need to increase the flight plan duration to show more, until I find the closest intercept
<queqiao-> ⟨Al2Me6⟩ ⟪Mudkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟫ unknown.png ⮪ Uh what frame and what body?
<queqiao-> ⟨Mudkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ i dont remember
<queqiao-> ⟨Damien⟩ ⟪ganlhi⟫ Ok so I just need to increase the […] ⮪ Yes, or plan a burn so that you make an intercept happen in the next orbit or two
<queqiao-> ⟨Mudkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ its just an old ss i found
<queqiao-> ⟨Al2Me6⟩ * Huh,
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<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ Mudkip909 | 𒀱 supporter 𒄠𒈪𒉏​𒊑𒍮𒌝​𒊭​𒀱​𒋳𒅗
<queqiao-> ⟨Mudkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ hi
<queqiao-> ⟨Mudkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ cuneiform go brr
* raptop is pretty certain that pressing a reed stylus into a clay tablet does not make a "brr" sound
<queqiao-> ⟨Mudkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ does it make more of a "ssshlrrp" sound
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ it really doesn’t make much of a sound; but, since it sounds like you are unfamiliar with the script, allow me to ask again in transliteration, _am-mīnim rēṣum ša dalḫamun šumka_?
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ * _am-mi-nim re-ṣú-um ša dalḫamun₄ šum-ka_?
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ (or in English translation, why is thy name supporter of dalḫamun?)
<raptop> good question
<queqiao-> ⟨Mudkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ ⟪egg⟫ it really doesn’t make much of a sound; […] ⮪ wtf
<queqiao-> ⟨Mudkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ kpiosjgfrdgfn;vncoiohifr
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ it really doesn’t make much of a sound; but, since it sounds like you are unfamiliar with the script, allow me to ask again in transliteration, _am-mi-nim re-ṣú-um ša_ DALHAMUN₄ _šum-ka_?
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ or perhaps supporter of Nisaba?
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ or of storms? of disasters?
<queqiao-> ⟨Mudkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ i support 𒀱 because ROXCC
<queqiao-> ⟨Mudkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ i support 𒀱 because ROCC
<queqiao-> ⟨scimas⟩ egg, you are still including the […] ⮪ Looks like I forgot to tag you egg
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ ⟪scimas⟫ Looks like I forgot to tag you egg ⮪ ah yes, good point; I might as well drop the purple navball. re navball_compass… I don’t know ? This might be a holdover from a time when we would sometimes let KSP orient the navball itself.
<queqiao-> ⟨scimas⟩ Cool. I started playing KSP again yesterday after many many months and am using the test build you posted a few days ago. Was just wondering why it was half the size of the regular releases and stumbled across those images while exploring.
<queqiao-> ⟨Al2Me6⟩ (windows only)
<queqiao-> ⟨scimas⟩ (I know the images are tiny, the difference comes from not having linux and macos binaries)
<queqiao-> ⟨scimas⟩ Oh got ninja'd by Al2Me6 for a moment 😄
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ ⟪scimas⟫ Cool. I started playing KSP again […] ⮪ do tell us about the behaviour of the test build when it comes to save file size (the issue it is supposed to address), as well as obviously any crashes or other bugs you might encounter. We want this to be thoroughly tested, since it goes into some rather deep systems of Principia
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ * Principia.
<queqiao-> ⟨Mudkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ imma see how deep we talkin
<queqiao-> ⟨scimas⟩ ⟪egg⟫ do tell us about the behaviour of the […] ⮪ Sure, it's a pretty new save right now, so nothing to report at the moment. But I'm playing sandbox, so should have multiple ships staying in orbit soon-ish.
<queqiao-> ⟨Mudkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ oh
<queqiao-> ⟨pEdro⟩ during normal gameplay i have not found any bugs in the tes build, so thats something, filesize i have not checked yet, but im going to run some testing of different orbits next week
<queqiao-> ⟨Mudkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ o...ono
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