TheKosmonaut changed the topic of #kspmodders to: Welcome to #kspcovfefe | <Majiir> egg is pretty much just a chickenfetus until you start talking about floating point | Upon being elected Operator from 1:11:03AM to 1:11:19AM, GlassYuri immortalized his term with these words: “Do I have to give a fucking speech now?"
<SilverFox>
Greys, you know those cookie jars that are vacuum sealed around the lid, how well do they work for water? Would they work better?
<darklight>
You want sealed water?
<SilverFox>
no
<SilverFox>
underwater sealed cookies
<darklight>
They are called drink bottles
<darklight>
Ah
<SilverFox>
like, if I put something inside the jar, would the jar still work underwater
<darklight>
Better I'd imagine, as air leaks easier than water
<darklight>
It'd be boyant though
<SilverFox>
great
<SilverFox>
dreamworld me isnt fullretard
<SilverFox>
because I was sooooo confident in my answer
<darklight>
Those cookie jars aren't the best though :P
<SilverFox>
I had to like, home invent some sort of underwater speakers or some shit because patents were fucked
<darklight>
Also getting the cookies out will be difficult underwater
<SilverFox>
so I thought of sealing the two halves of this thing I was given with a press seal vacuum seal
<SilverFox>
it's just the seal tech I was worried about darklight
<SilverFox>
for whatever reason this thing was a speaker, or at least had one in it, and it needed to be able to store things or something
<darklight>
Maybe you should inquire about it at your next tupperwear party
<SilverFox>
it was about the size of a cymbal monkey
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<Greys>
water weighs more than air, so they would work better underwater until they collapse
<SilverFox>
yeah
<SilverFox>
in my dream i was in some sort of design team or something
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<Greys>
I didn't read most of that conversation
<SilverFox>
I was given a two part device that they wanted water resistent/proofed and it was a speaker and storage device
<SilverFox>
the last part is implied, since it was never stated that it would be used for storage, but things *had* to be put inside it
<SilverFox>
so I was sitting there with whom I think was my colleague, and I was like "Bam, put a lever on that shit and vacuum seal it"
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<SilverFox>
TheKosmonaut, what is the difference between wakarimasen and shirimasen?
<TheKosmonaut>
Shiranai
<SilverFox>
ok
<SilverFox>
does japanese have an official romanization structure?
<icefire>
you mean romaji
<TheKosmonaut>
SilverFox: there are a few ways of doing it
<TheKosmonaut>
Some will write Tokyo, Tōkyō, or Toukyou
<SilverFox>
also, in japanese, is "ai" always pronounced seperately or as we do with "eye"?
<SilverFox>
yeah but which is the official method as dictated by government?
<icefire>
do they even have one
<SilverFox>
that's what I'm wondering
<icefire>
theres like 3 or 4 different versions
<icefire>
what kosmonaut said
<SilverFox>
Im quite sure korean has one, and it's acceptable when transitioning from english to korean, but it's best to get off it asap
<TheKosmonaut>
So Hepburn and Nihon-Shiki are most common but there isn't a mandate for one or the other
<SilverFox>
okay cool
<SilverFox>
which system is used here?
<SilverFox>
also, the character that looks like an h is an n right?
<TheKosmonaut>
SilverFox: you'll mostly see Hepburn(above image)
<SilverFox>
alright, cool
<TheKosmonaut>
Kunrei/nihon-Shiki is actually uncommon for official use now that I think of it
<SilverFox>
however what is the word above? It doesnt seem to fit the amount of syllables in the romanized name
<TheKosmonaut>
Because, for example, Hepburn was made by foreigners whereas Kunrei was made in Japan. So while the latter does better represent Japanese language, it's not really useful for foreigners.
<TheKosmonaut>
An example
<TheKosmonaut>
さ し す せ そ
<TheKosmonaut>
Sa shi su se so
<SilverFox>
right
<SilverFox>
I knew the hook one was shi
<TheKosmonaut>
Sa si su se so
<SilverFox>
ahh
<TheKosmonaut>
So the first was Hepburn and the second is kunrei
<SilverFox>
so the first is more accurate to the sound and the second is more accurate to the character?
<TheKosmonaut>
Yea
<SilverFox>
okay cool
<SilverFox>
the official romanization of korean iirc does the same, where it's more accurate to the sound than character, but this has obvious problems when 갓 갖 and 갖 characters (at the bottom) get involved, which all end up producing "kat"
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<SilverFox>
darklight, how do current limiting resistors work? how does a circuit put out 2A or 1A for usb charging devices and not allow anything higher for input?
<darklight>
Are you asking how resistors work, or how current limiting circuits work? :P
<SilverFox>
im curious how a port can accept all currents at 5v except higher than 2A
<SilverFox>
is it some fuckin resistor setup or what?
<darklight>
That rating on usb power supplies is a max current you can drawn before things turn into flames
<SilverFox>
right but like, on usb battery banks
<darklight>
But things have protection :P
<darklight>
Oh, you mean current limiting circuits
<SilverFox>
okay, so what's the IUD on my battery bank gonna be like
<darklight>
You put a 0.1ohm resistor or so on the ground and if you pull 1amp, you get 0.1v across. If you compare that to a fixed reference voltage, say 0.1V, you can drive a transistor with an op amp
<SilverFox>
okay
<darklight>
So that'd be a current limiting setup
<SilverFox>
so how do you determine if shit is above that 1A?
<SilverFox>
and how do you limit that input current to be 1A instead of it trying to pull more?
<darklight>
I just said. A small value resistor, hell even a pcb trace can be used to measure current :P
<darklight>
An opamp driving a transistor
<SilverFox>
like, if it cuts off once that reads that 1A as 0.1V then the battery isnt charging, and there isnt that input anymore, so it closes, and then it starts again?
<SilverFox>
mate I am watching this fucking pupper sleep
<darklight>
vin is reference voltage for the current
<GlassYuri>
SilverFox, why do you watch others sleep if you could just sleep yaself
<SilverFox>
BECAUSE ITS A PUPPY AND ITS CUTE
<SilverFox>
its so peaceful
<SilverFox>
dreaming them puppy dreams
<darklight>
I just realised that picture will make no sense unless you know how an op-amp works
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<GlassYuri>
SilverFox, you just indirectly said that you're not cute
<SilverFox>
I mean
<SilverFox>
I never say im cute
<SilverFox>
soooooooooooooooooooooooooo
<darklight>
The simple way of explaining it is when it runs in comparator mode, when + (non inverting output) is a higher voltage than the - (inverting output), the output will go up to the rail, otherwise it will be ground
<GlassYuri>
no you just implied the opposite
<darklight>
Basically "is + > than -"
<SilverFox>
ohhhh so thats how it checks for greater
<darklight>
When they have feedback it'll do whatever it has to it's output to make those voltages match
<SilverFox>
GlassYuri, im not fuckin cute
<SilverFox>
better?
<GlassYuri>
loser
<SilverFox>
씨발 임마
<darklight>
Also that thing connected to its output is a mosfet but a resistor and transistor will work just as well
<GlassYuri>
get cute or get rekt
<SilverFox>
shrekt
<darklight>
Just a bit more circuitry, but more reliable :P
<SilverFox>
tyrannasaurus rekt
<SilverFox>
more reliability is always nice
<GlassYuri>
erektile dysfunction
<SilverFox>
ayyy
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<SilverFox>
~c 1024 * 576
<FoxBot9000>
SilverFox, 589824.0
<SilverFox>
something doesnt add up here
<SilverFox>
the fuck does "Quality: 2000k" mean?
<SilverFox>
fuckin stupid
<GlassYuri>
production value of 2 million dollars (zimbabwean)
<SilverFox>
GlassYuri, how much money you think you'll make in a lifetime?
<GlassYuri>
enough to get a hitman onto your ass
<GlassYuri>
no actually
<GlassYuri>
no fucking idea
<GlassYuri>
also a hitman would be a fucking waste of money I could spend on model trains
<SilverFox>
;wa 250,000USD to yen
<kmath>
SilverFox: convert $250000 (US dollars) to Japanese yen: ¥27.82 million (Japanese yen)
<SilverFox>
you think you can make that much?
<SilverFox>
spend that on killing me?
<SilverFox>
why would you anyways?
<SilverFox>
you cant kill me
<GlassYuri>
do they really cost a quarter million usd?
<SilverFox>
up to a mill yeah
<SilverFox>
anything below that is probably a fed honeypot
<SilverFox>
killing people is easy, but doing it for a living is hard
<GlassYuri>
what a fucking waste of money you can kill a person with your hands or some object you don't need anymore for free
<SilverFox>
yeah you can, and you'll probably get caught because you arent experienced or know what you're doing
<SilverFox>
like the plebe you are
<GlassYuri>
the number one reason for getting caught is having close ties to the victim
<GlassYuri>
if you just kill a random person with no witnesses you should be fine
<SilverFox>
yeah totes dude
<GlassYuri>
also don't try to be smart about the body and weapon, just fucking leave them there
<SilverFox>
yeah dont wear gloves either
<GlassYuri>
why not
<GlassYuri>
I would try not to touch the weapon directly
<SilverFox>
you might as well call 119 and call in the murder yourself
<GlassYuri>
gloves can be disposed easily enough
<SilverFox>
just put them on the person you killed
<GlassYuri>
yeah leave lots of fingerprints and dna evidence
<SilverFox>
they'll definitely not suspect you if there's enough of it
<GlassYuri>
what
<SilverFox>
yeah
<SilverFox>
if there's a little, then its like you're just shit at hiding it
<SilverFox>
but if there's that shit everywhere, how could you have done it?
<SilverFox>
its like it was planted
<GlassYuri>
how could you have done it? sloppily of course
<SilverFox>
there's too much evidence
<SilverFox>
doesnt add up
<GlassYuri>
yeah then do it right in front of a police station in broad daylight, that's gonna cause an evidence overflow exception and kill everyone inside the police station
<SilverFox>
not if the exception is properly try catch'd
<SilverFox>
and then it'll just tick over to the negatives and they can't suspect you if there's less than zero reason to
<GlassYuri>
software made by private companies for public institutions is trash, you should now
<SilverFox>
why should I know?
<GlassYuri>
because you have likely heard of bullshit like voting machines and wannacry
<SilverFox>
ive not heard of wannacry
<GlassYuri>
"<SilverFox> GlassYuri, how much money you think you'll make in a lifetime?" back to this
<GlassYuri>
uk hospitals rely on software that only runs on xp, government spending cuts mean that it can't be replaced AND that they cancelled the microsoft extended support service, then got ransomwared
<SilverFox>
oh right
<SilverFox>
that
<SilverFox>
yeah the reliance on old OS was probs due to the machines they used not having drivers on the newer OSes
<GlassYuri>
I think the EU actually has a program where they fund open source software development for public institutions
<SilverFox>
that sounds nice
<darklight>
Heh
<darklight>
Also vitas was involved with some eu funded thing iirc
<GlassYuri>
SilverFox, anyway why do you want to know how much I'll make over my entire life
<darklight>
I don't know of many companies that are insane enough to run linux
<SilverFox>
I never asked how much you would make
<GlassYuri>
"<SilverFox> GlassYuri, how much money you think you'll make in a lifetime?"
<SilverFox>
sudo bash Greys.sh
<SilverFox>
I asked how much you think you'd make
<SilverFox>
which is asking your opinion on it, rather than getting the carfax
<GlassYuri>
I honestly don't know
<GlassYuri>
I mean you could look up how much a game programmer makes on average and multiply by years until retirement age
<darklight>
Nothing, japan's economy will collapse :P
<SilverFox>
assuming you get a job doing that
<GlassYuri>
darklight, if all the fearmongering is true then japan should collapse multiple times a year
<darklight>
You're more broke than the US is ;)
<GlassYuri>
yeah but what are they gonna do about it
<GlassYuri>
it's not like you can sell a country in pieces on ebay
<SilverFox>
but you can
<darklight>
You'll default on your china loan!
<SilverFox>
alaska
<darklight>
Bigly savings!
<darklight>
Don't be salty sf
<SilverFox>
alaska is ours
<darklight>
It does seem odd you have to drive through another country to get more americw
<darklight>
america
<darklight>
Obviously the US should annex canada
<SilverFox>
or we can just buy alaska
<SilverFox>
because we have money lying around
<SilverFox>
obvs
<GlassYuri>
annex mainland america and send them to alaska
<SilverFox>
sell alaska to russia
<SilverFox>
we can keep a closer eye on them then
<darklight>
Do you really want alaska though?
<SilverFox>
yeah
<SilverFox>
I do
<SilverFox>
gimme that shit
<GlassYuri>
ya know there's the northern shipping passage
<SilverFox>
the wut
<GlassYuri>
canada claims it to be their territory, the US wants it to be international
<SilverFox>
fuck yeah it's ours
<SilverFox>
fuck off mates
<SilverFox>
so is that island that denmark fuckers keep trying to take from us
<darklight>
Fuckin leafs :P
<SilverFox>
leafs hasnt won a stanley since fucking 67
<SilverFox>
which is absolutely hilarious
<G-Mobile>
Smart dumb bells
<SilverFox>
wut
<G-Mobile>
built in accelerometer, bluetooth, and they're selectables so they can calculate calorie burn by weight
<darklight>
"Trump 'suggests' solar panels for Mexico wall" well at least he's trying and it's a better idea than solar roads
<GlassYuri>
darklight, because walls have such a large roof surface area...
<GlassYuri>
the mountings of the solar panels might help a lot with climbing though
<GlassYuri>
if they used towers instead of photovoltaic they might use the mirrors to direct the beam at intruders
<darklight>
Glass yeah I haven't seen the source, I assume it was an off the cuff mark like "australia has a better healthcare system"
<darklight>
It was pretty retarded though
<RandomJeb>
hey if you're building the wall anyway why not put some panels on it? I assume the US-mexican border is a great area for solar power
<RandomJeb>
make america solar again
<RandomJeb>
trump
<darklight>
The wall is more a huge solid steel fence, which is claimed to be more appropriate
<darklight>
Ha just as I found out, eevblog uploads solar wall video :P
<RandomJeb>
lol
<RandomJeb>
that's going on my to watch list
<darklight>
Aaahhhh hahaha
<darklight>
The sun will pay for the wall
<darklight>
aaaaahahahahahaha
<RandomJeb>
this just in; the sun is mexican
<GlassYuri>
my cheap ass thermometer has 18-28 degrees marked as pleasant
<GlassYuri>
18 yes, 28 no
<darklight>
23 is ideal for me with occasional outside trips
<darklight>
25 is good
<darklight>
22 is too cokd
<darklight>
*cold
<darklight>
Wow the calculations so far have been totally legit
<darklight>
But I suspect the blow is coming and I know what it will be :P
<RandomJeb>
22 is good for just hanging around
<RandomJeb>
18 is great for manual labor
<RandomJeb>
anything over 24 is too hot
<RandomJeb>
unless it's very dry, I'm wearing very few clothes and I have somewhere I can sit or lay down in the sun
<RandomJeb>
then I'm willing to extend the upper limit to 28
<RandomJeb>
I still wouldn't call either 18 or 28 'pleasant'
<VITAS>
yes the company i work for does a bunch of eu funded projects. they arent focused on open source but are more scientific in nature. But i use open source software where i can to fullfill the companies part in it.
<darklight>
Hrmmm... you know what... the solar system won't pay for the wall amd he gave it a fail, but by his numbers it would actually slightly *reduce* the cost of the wall?
<VITAS>
and my boss loves opensource so he wants us to 100% run linux witch is a pain for desktop computers in an work env
<darklight>
some of these comments are gold
<darklight>
"The wall WILL pay for itself because the solar roadway along the top of it will be a tollway."
<darklight>
I can hear the ancaps reee'ing in the distance
<darklight>
VITAS: I guess if you're cheap it saves on the cost of windows, but computers come with the windows tax anyway sooo?
<darklight>
Unless you guys build your own, which would be... incredibly weird
<VITAS>
it doesnt save a dime. What you save in licensing youve to give to someone else to give a some integrated solution like redhat or suse
<VITAS>
and it takes up more manhours than windows to get going because there isnt 1-2-3 company infrastructure
<VITAS>
there a good solutions for managing servers but not desktops
<darklight>
I'm aware suse and redhat are really in the service industry
<VITAS>
they build echosystems
<VITAS>
so does canonical
<darklight>
Ubuntu doesn't charge though, although I can't remember if suse and redhat do these days either
<darklight>
But I can see businesses buying into support
<VITAS>
depends canonical charges for managment software
<VITAS>
like their update managment
<darklight>
apt-get update; apt-get upgrade?
<VITAS>
no forgot its name but its like WSUS for linux
<darklight>
I'm unfamiliar with wsus but I assume that's the one where you test out updates before deploying?
<VITAS>
ubuntu landscape
<VITAS>
is the name
<darklight>
Very cloudy and synergy-like
<darklight>
:P
<darklight>
Steamline integrated
<VITAS>
yes but thats what you want
<darklight>
Return on investment
<darklight>
:P
<VITAS>
i dont want to do stuff manualy if i can automate it
<darklight>
(I can't think of more buzzwords atm)
<VITAS>
gives me more time for important things
<VITAS>
like cookies, coffee and ksp ;P
<darklight>
At 750-1500 a year though
<VITAS>
business prices = *100
<darklight>
Wait
<darklight>
750 dollars per node?
<darklight>
Huh
<VITAS>
its normal for microsoft products to cost the same in licensing as the hardware
<darklight>
I think I must be reading some ubuntu cloud service thing
<darklight>
This obviously can't be for management software
<VITAS>
but you see it isnt realy cheaper
<darklight>
1 cent per machine per hour?
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<G-Mobile>
;wa 10 doge coin to cad
<kmath>
G-Mobile: Wolfram couldn't understand your gibberish
<darklight>
GlassYuri one day their, there, and they're will all merge into one word
<darklight>
Kinda like "whom"
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<darklight>
That being said, I would like to point out "I could care less" implies you care at least a little bit so it's possible to care less, while "I couldn't care less" means you literally can't care less, and are therefore at 0 caring
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<G-Mobile>
I think we'll see the opposite, because merging them causes ambiguity; most people even pronounce them differently to clear the ambiguity
<G-Mobile>
thay're, theer, ther
<G-Mobile>
maybe thehr would be more representitive
<kmath>
YouTube - Coal giant sues John Oliver over "Last Week Tonight" segment
<Greys>
this could be an important one, murray is the equivalent of the EDGE trademark fuckstick, and John intentionally made this super public, if this guy gets knocked down peg it could set legal precident to block this kind of attack based PR defense; and it would be yet another arrow in trump's hide
<Greys>
also I kinda doubt a bullshitinium company like Murray Energy can actually throw all that much money at a lawsuit they're likely to lose; while HBO is pumped full of GoT money
<Greys>
murray must run this gambit on a platform that they look well funded and they can scare people into settling out of court
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<Greys>
what do you call the property of resisting change in magnetic state
<Orum>
not sure if this site is legit, or the equivalent of the onion
<Orum>
"A 32-year old man went on a killing frenzy last night, after spending 36 hours in a row watching Walkind Dead while doing drugs."
<SilverFox>
florida?
<RandomJeb>
ohio
<Orum>
"...a 24-year-old Starbucks employee who had recently awoken from a seven-month-long coma reportedly committed suicide this week after learning Donald Trump had won the presidency."
<teabot>
Reporteadly.
<SilverFox>
all this sounds plausible tbh
<Orum>
you couldn't make this shit up...
<RandomJeb>
this is actually fake news though
<Orum>
I see Donald Trump is in the channel today
<RandomJeb>
believe me
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<Orum>
is there an equivalent of rainmeter for the *nixes?
<Orum>
ah, Cinky
<Orum>
Conky*
<SilverFox>
Conker's Bad Fur Day
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<SilverFox>
Majiir is too busy being a scrub to join us today
<SilverFox>
this must be soooo shit when anything ever gets involved
<SilverFox>
a fuckin fly would block the signal
<darklight>
GlassFragments by daves numbers, it would be cheaper to build the solar wall than a regular wall, but this does not take into account cost overrun
<SilverFox>
I think a solar wall would be nice, since it could generate power and be actually useful
<VITAS>
build solar houses from your solar wall then :)
<SilverFox>
if houses had solar on them, it'd definitely lessen the load on current generators
<SilverFox>
not saying we can go full solar and be fine, fuck no
<VITAS>
as a germany i can say: walls arent great. we had a thermo nuclear one and it didnt work
<VITAS>
:D
<SilverFox>
we still need coal so long as we dont have lots of nuclear going
<VITAS>
but if trump wants to build a wall he should build one out of coal
<SilverFox>
naw that's wasteful
<SilverFox>
do it outta gold
<VITAS>
interresting. germany is quitting nuclear and doesnt restart his coal industry
<SilverFox>
the fuck are they moving onto then?
<VITAS>
but it would create jobs
<VITAS>
wind and solar
<SilverFox>
pfffffft
<VITAS>
but without walls
<VITAS>
and water, wave,...
<SilverFox>
there's no way they can sustain with solar and wind alone
<VITAS>
and i think hot air from poletics
<VITAS>
not with your energy use
<VITAS>
:D
<VITAS>
start by building houses not sheds
<VITAS>
and you wont need so much heating
<SilverFox>
wind sucks in dense areas
<VITAS>
offshore
<SilverFox>
might as well do tidal
<VITAS>
ive read that germany opend a new powerline to some ofshore windpark called "eastwind" incedently thats the same name of soem flack in WW2 :D
<VITAS>
i bet that trumps hot air can heat at least 1 major city and fly 3 hot air baloon fleets :)
<VITAS>
and hes dense too
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<darklight>
It is pretty silly, unless he means isolated solar powered monitoring systems
<darklight>
I'm sure he would have said that if he ment any of that though
<VITAS>
im sure he isnt sure
<darklight>
My bet is on a silly off the cuff remark
<darklight>
Also because of that, I doubt you will see solar freaking walls
<SilverFox>
hopefull the panels are ontop the wall right?
<darklight>
It's a pretty solid fence though
<VITAS>
im waiting for someone to burst into a laugh during that interview
<VITAS>
how can they be serious?!
<darklight>
Oh my god they are half serious
<darklight>
I fucking lost it at "we can sell the energy to mexico"
<VITAS>
good effort
<VITAS>
:D
<VITAS>
whats next? selling opil to suadi arabia?
<VITAS>
police sewrvices to iraq and afganistan?
<VITAS>
-w
<darklight>
Well iirc you guys did have a power deficit when you shut down your nuclear plants, and did buy from france, but actually getting mexico to contribute to the wall? lulz
<darklight>
I highly doubt it though
<VITAS>
europe has an continental power grid
<VITAS>
my electricity is provided by a company that doesnt own a single powerplant but buys all its electricity at the central electricity market
<VITAS>
so its quite normal to buy and sell electricity across borders here
<darklight>
That isn't too surprising
<VITAS>
and there are still plants running i think.
<VITAS>
but yes the problem is gap filling electricity
<VITAS>
i think its done with water dams and cisterns as well as gas
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<darklight>
We call that "base load" I thinks
<VITAS>
not base load but things that can fill gaps
<VITAS>
like if its not sunny and not windy and dry