TheKosmonaut changed the topic of #kspmodders to: Welcome to #kspcovfefe | <Majiir> egg is pretty much just a chickenfetus until you start talking about floating point | Upon being elected Operator from 1:11:03AM to 1:11:19AM, GlassYuri immortalized his term with these words: “Do I have to give a fucking speech now?"
<G-Mobile>
Retina in displays is the concept that two neighboring pixels cannot be distinguished from eachother, by being just past the retina line the fidelity of the screen exceeds the viewer's capacity to discern fidelity
<Glass|phone>
so basically it makes each individual pixel more expensive to manufacture, and requires more of them
<G-Mobile>
but if you had an 8k phone, thats so far past the retina line that you're doing all this rendering and refreshing for a hige depth of fidelity past what can be discerned
<G-Mobile>
huge
<G-Mobile>
its like, smart people recognize that 60Hz is not the limit of perception in human vision, but its hard to argue that 600Hz plasma screens are not past that limit, and if you made a screen that updated ten thousand times per second, that would be extremely pointless
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<Glass|phone>
THE HUMAN EYE CAN ONLY SEE 24 FPS
<G-Mobile>
its also worse on phones because rendering and refreshing more pixels costs more battery
<G-Mobile>
my intestines seem to be sorting themselves out
<G-Mobile>
i should go back and fix all the numbers in my model
<SilverFox>
the human eye doest see frames per second
<G-Mobile>
but there is, somewhere, a poibt where the human eye cannot perceive higher framerates
<G-Mobile>
this machine has a modulo
<SilverFox>
well
<SilverFox>
its moreso that it cant perceive changes in the frames
<SilverFox>
and that point is determined by how much has changed
<SilverFox>
if you have a solid screen colour, that framerate limit is going to be rather high
<SilverFox>
if you have a bunch of shit going on, that number will be lower
<G-Mobile>
If you had a 10kHz display, you could fit in all sorts of crap that would be imperceptible even with huge state deltas
<SilverFox>
this is because of how the brain handles info coming in, if there's lots, it'll throw away info
<SilverFox>
basically how you'd test this is hold solid for all but one frame
<SilverFox>
if you can perceive that one frame, you can perceive that framerate
<SilverFox>
also there's a speed to the transfer of neuron charges
<SilverFox>
and that's a hard limit
<G-Mobile>
I dont think we need to test it but by all means, develop a high speed tester
<SilverFox>
the complicated one comes when you want to test with lots of shit going on
<G-Mobile>
i think for typical americans the perception floor is between 120hz and 240hz, we know its higher than 60 because 90 is necessary for VR to not cause sickness
<SilverFox>
and we can perceive the difference between 120 and 144
<G-Mobile>
but can half of us
<SilverFox>
90 and 144 especially
<SilverFox>
I'd say yeah
<G-Mobile>
based on what study
<SilverFox>
its just much less of a difference
<SilverFox>
some youtube video I watched
<G-Mobile>
was it at 60hz?
<SilverFox>
it was like this log curve
<SilverFox>
the higher the framerate, the lesser the perceivable difference
<SilverFox>
it was about if 144hz monitors are worth it vs 120hz
<SilverFox>
so really anything above 144hz is just not worth the expense
<G-Mobile>
Well thats just mathlation
<G-Mobile>
increasing precision reduces the delta potential, what matters as a baseline is whether those deltas become excessively divisible by the perception floor
<SilverFox>
i have no idea what this means, but its just not worth it to buy anything higher than 144hz
<SilverFox>
if you do, then you should be an fps player or some shit
<SilverFox>
where high framerates matter
<G-Mobile>
if you measure your height in integer meters and then integer centimeters, the unitized variance represents less change, but if what matters is if you'll fit in a 2 meter long box, centimeters are irrelevant
<G-Mobile>
this is first grade stuff batman
<SilverFox>
you talk weird
<SilverFox>
Greys, would you quit your job to do another day job where people pay you to watch you eat things, if the pay was higher?
<G-Mobile>
you declared that higher frequencies are less different from lower frequencies and the change per increase would be unworthy of cost past 144, who gives a frunk
<G-Mobile>
i wonder if 8K 240Hz with reverse scan interlacing would be cool
<G-Mobile>
so every the average age of the update on a given pixel would be lower
<G-Mobile>
i have the most bullshit on this screen
<G-Mobile>
Imagine kemono friends if it were an action show about biking
<kmath>
YouTube - HILL CLIMB GIRL - (Japan ANIMATOR Expo)
<G-Mobile>
Similar bad CG and unskilled animation
<G-Mobile>
btw, depends on the raise
<SilverFox>
well, at what percentage of raise do you think you'd do that for?
<SilverFox>
im not wanting to call out numbers here
<G-Mobile>
transition costs are a real thing, and there's never certainty that the new place will work out
<SilverFox>
established company blah blah they're trust worthy and done business for years with good track record
<SilverFox>
hypothetical company anyways
<G-Mobile>
I'd probably need like 3$/hr more
<SilverFox>
I have no idea if that's significant or not
<SilverFox>
also your hours would be moreso on a daily schedule rather than shift work/night work
<SilverFox>
also you could choose what times you go in, to pander to the different audience timezones
<SilverFox>
but you'd still work the same amount of hours
<G-Mobile>
Its about 25%
<G-Mobile>
You dont have a job do you
<G-Mobile>
this sucks, most of my body is sore from exercise yesterday, and my guts hurt for no reason
<G-Mobile>
at least the soreness is representative of accomplisment
<SilverFox>
is it though?
<SilverFox>
how do you know the soreness is from exercise and not from some other bodily harm you've caused?
<G-Mobile>
nanites
<SilverFox>
Greys, do you remember runescape?
<SilverFox>
like, back when it was considered good?
<G-Mobile>
I don't recall that being a time no
<SilverFox>
well I do
<SilverFox>
that shit was some definition of fun
<G-Mobile>
do you think it would be possible to build a dedicated hardware VNC viewer that can outperform a reasonable spec PC and plug into a monitor like chromecast
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<SilverFox>
for what purpose?
<G-Mobile>
remote desktopery
<SilverFox>
I do that on my pc and laptop and it performs just fine for things
<G-Mobile>
set up your PC somewhere with network access and plug this thing into a screen on your desk
<SilverFox>
all depends on your network
<G-Mobile>
gigabit is common, 10gig is coming to consumers soon
<SilverFox>
yeah fuck no it aint
<SilverFox>
dont lie
<SilverFox>
dont get my hopes up
<G-Mobile>
acersus is putting out a 99$ 10G nic, the imac pro has 10G, and we'll probably see 10G on acersus's motherboards within a year
<SilverFox>
me and my 5/0.6
<SilverFox>
Mb
<G-Mobile>
that's internet
<G-Mobile>
not network
<G-Mobile>
this wouldn't be going over the internet in most situations
<SilverFox>
well 10Gb is overkill
<SilverFox>
well you should definitely be fine then
<SilverFox>
just depends on your resolution and shit
<G-Mobile>
but if it's a dedicated device and maybe a dedicated network KVM, I'd want to be able to crank everything up so high that only twitch FPS gameplay would be impacted
<SilverFox>
do some testing
<G-Mobile>
can VNC do hypersampling?
<SilverFox>
probably not
<SilverFox>
if by that you mean scale up then probs not
<G-Mobile>
I mean capture at 10x
<SilverFox>
idk if you'd want to
<SilverFox>
sounds like it'd be shitty
<SilverFox>
either performance wise, or drawtime wise
<G-Mobile>
it'd probably digital end to end so that might not even be a thing
<G-Mobile>
recieve digital frame from the GPU, send digital frame over the network, send digital frame to monitor, yea there's no way to go faster than unity here
<teabot>
Unitea.
<SilverFox>
this whole thing is going to be a tradeoff for framerate x quality
<teabot>
Frameratea.
<G-Mobile>
I see no reason I can't put together a dedicated system that can outperform both
<G-Mobile>
this animu's leg is attached to the side of her abdomen
<SilverFox>
this guy just streams his puppy doing pupper things
<G-Mobile>
"Knight`s & Magic"
<SilverFox>
HMMMMMMMMM
<G-Mobile>
not even knight's, or knights', or something else that that doesn't make sense
<G-Mobile>
knight grave s
<G-Mobile>
btw it's an anime baout sexy children who fight or something with mechs and shit
<SilverFox>
it's fontisy
<G-Mobile>
battle girl high school looks trashy, probably CG of a kemono grade
<G-Mobile>
Netsuzou Trap: NTR; summary -- what if you were a highschool girl, and you were worried about boys, so you asked your best friend for advise, and she made out with you
<G-Mobile>
that face when you read a synopsis so devoid of logic and bound in it's internal assumption of logic that it makes less sense
<G-Mobile>
"Chronos Rulers (Jikan no Shihaisha) are those who fight the time-eating demns that appear when people wish they could turn back time."
<G-Mobile>
demons*
<G-Mobile>
forgiving that this is written as if these demons are a thing the author believes go without saying; that'd be a fuckton of demons
<SilverFox>
that would be an endless supply of demons
<SilverFox>
ITS LIKE MEESEEKS
<G-Mobile>
meseks don't exist
<SilverFox>
meeseeks exist
<G-Mobile>
no they don't
<SilverFox>
yes they do
<SilverFox>
fuck you
<SilverFox>
demons dont exist
<G-Mobile>
would you watch an anime about a centaur schoolgirl?
<SilverFox>
but it also takes me to the mobile site
<SilverFox>
now that's some weird kmath shenanigans
<G-Mobile>
have you heard about bombermangirl?
<SilverFox>
no
<SilverFox>
but my giveafuck levels are at a low upon hearing this
<SilverFox>
tread carefully
<SilverFox>
OMG THE PUPPER IS SLEEPING
<G-Mobile>
the new bomberman game is going to be renamed bombergirl, and it's going to feature several characterized animu bitches, and the loser gets their clothes blown off
<darklight>
Anyway, anita calls sargon a garbage human being and all the "shitlords" changed their name to garbage* for the day :P
<G-Mobile>
SilverFox: increase the altitude of a heavy object by one meter 15 times
<SilverFox>
wut
<SilverFox>
bitch you think ima exercise?
<G-Mobile>
you can either do 15 linear meters or the same meter repeatedly
<SilverFox>
미쳤어요?
<G-Mobile>
or, 15 different meters
<G-Mobile>
15 antilinear meters would be neat but you'll probably need a pully
<G-Mobile>
wow, there were two characters named Quetzalcoatl in two separate anime in the same year period
<G-Mobile>
oh no
<G-Mobile>
school shock got an anime, two years ago
<G-Mobile>
it seems to have been cancelled at 6 episodes
<G-Mobile>
I'm sure part of why it did so badly is that it was named Chu Feng: Bee
<G-Mobile>
btw, (3.71,5.83)/10
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<G-Mobile>
"Princess Principal"
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<G-Mobile>
it's about 5 girls who are albion spies in a school in london
<G-Mobile>
two of them have large breasts, two appear to be lolis, the third is only represented abstractly
<G-Mobile>
also one of the breasty girlls has a gun, and the other has a cooch targeting reticule
<SilverFox>
sound standard
<G-Mobile>
you sure about that last part?
<G-Mobile>
oh wait, they all have cooch reticules
<G-Mobile>
and absurdly anachronistic spy outfits
<G-Mobile>
one of the lolis transforms into a tacticool ninja, the other transforms into a goth version of a 1970s gogo, blondy, who I'm pretty sure was not displayed before, turns into a mourner
<G-Mobile>
gunless boobs turns into a wild west prostitute
<darklight>
The kids of asian male white female or vice versa
<darklight>
They are dead set against it
<darklight>
Gotta keep that asian bloodline pure
<G-Mobile>
I don't see how this is related
<darklight>
Talking about asian people not reproducing just reminded me of that :P
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<G-Mobile>
when were we talking about asian people not reproducing
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<G-Mobile>
someday when I'm rich I should start an ineffective and pointless research foundation
<G-Mobile>
we'd do stuff like build a giant shooting rage with very thin paper walls along the length, and we'd take various guns, shoot them down range, and track the bullet's path through the paper
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<G-Mobile>
then use that to generate conic mesh representitive of guns accuraccies
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<SilverFox>
angavrilov off to work it seems
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<G-Mobile>
darklight: how inefficient would it be to have a bunch of big invisible mesh sticking out of the gun prop, and when the player shoots select a probability, pick the mesh representing that, check for collision with a target, if so put a plane at that range and generate a random point inside the intersection with the mesh, and then check if that point is inside the target
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<G-Mobile>
SilverFox: how do you feel about energy coffee?
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<G-Mobile>
insert C+A+D abortion hululu
<G-Mobile>
sorry, miscarrage
<darklight>
Ha, searcing for alt left, you get the vanity fair article and this is the tagline: Much of the media spotlight has been on the “alt-right.” But the “alt-left” provides a mirror image distortion: the same loathing of Clinton, rejection of “identity politics,” and itch for a reckoning.
<darklight>
*The alt right is not against identity politics, they literally see the white race as a family that must be protected*
<G-Mobile>
arent the alt-right a malignant tumor of republican identity politics?
<darklight>
You really need to watch a richard spencer interview
<darklight>
You will hate the guy and that's good, but it's kinda important to understand why he exists
<G-Mobile>
btw, a study was did, they asked 1000 liberals how they would feel if somebody said merry christmas, 7% didn't like it; they asked 1000 republicans how they'd feel if somebody said "happy holidays" to them, all were pissed at the question
<SilverFox>
nice
<G-Mobile>
republicans have invented the "war on christmas" in order to be mad about it
<darklight>
liberals is not the opposite of republican
<kmath>
YouTube - Rebranding White Nationalism: Inside Richard Spencer's Alt-Right
<G-Mobile>
I think that's the one about the loch ness monster is a duck, and a shota, and kissing little boys is good
<SilverFox>
Greys, whats that one you were reading about middle aged women seducing shotas?
<SilverFox>
was it any good, or just stupid?
<darklight>
>implying manga can be good
<darklight>
:P
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<G-Mobile>
Chikyuu Misaki was like a 7.8~8.4 out of ten
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<G-Mobile>
King of Thorn, same author, more like 9.2
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<G-Mobile>
I forget if that's the same author as Dimension W, but that one's not great
<G-Mobile>
good art, but it's really neglectful of the characters, and the story isn't made interesting
<G-Mobile>
then there's a fourth one with a russian lady and the telling was such a strain that I only got a few chapters in before it had spent all it's good will
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<G-Mobile>
koudelka; and everything I said was correct
<SilverFox>
Greys, you're also gonna have to obtain a years worth of college level biology and organic chemistry, also anatomy and physiology in there too, and you should do so by the time im dead
<SilverFox>
If I do die I will have a designated person type into this chat with "<real name> has died." and then proceed to shut everything down.
<darklight>
SilverFox: If I actually cared I'd rather be deleted rather than memorialised
<darklight>
The facebook of the dead is a weird thing to think about
<SilverFox>
yeah im having my shit burned if I die
<SilverFox>
im just making it this way so yall know im truly dead when it happens
<SilverFox>
because I'd never give out my real name willy nilly
<darklight>
I don't care either way, I'd be dead!
<SilverFox>
yeah well dead people have wishes
<darklight>
meanwhile I use my real name everywhere :P
<SilverFox>
had
<darklight>
It's not like I'm worried about anyone showing up at bumbfuck nebraska
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<darklight>
*bumfuck
<darklight>
sheesh
<darklight>
and err, it might be buttfuck
<darklight>
I'm not sure if that's a real fake place name or not
<SilverFox>
im going to do a risky and see if i can nap
<SilverFox>
i set like, 5 alarmns so i should be good\
<G-Mobile>
what's your job?
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<G-Mobile>
whose that woman from Gilmore Girls who looks like a happy rosie odonald
<darklight>
Annoy us probably :P
<G-Mobile>
she was nice
<darklight>
I need an adult: "Well, they’re bad news! You wake up with your butt feeling like it was ripped in two and there’s this gross snot stuff everywhere." He thrust a finger down at the book next to his bed. "So don’t take that book. It’s hard enough when Twilight takes it to read at night and then the butt trolls strike!"
<GlassYuri>
darklight, look at the tab with that text in it again
<GlassYuri>
if you look at the tab header there should be a small x in it
<GlassYuri>
click that
<darklight>
I read all of it to see if it was going where I thought. yep.
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<G-Mobile>
SilverFox, darklight, are either of you aware of a pi-like where all of the ports face in the same direction, and maybe they're all header pins instead of actual ports?
<G-Mobile>
failing that, a shield for a common pi that brings everything over
<G-Mobile>
also can you buy a pi 3 without the header pins attached already?
<darklight>
A computer has all the ports at the back
<G-Mobile>
... and?
<G-Mobile>
*also broadly untrue
<darklight>
I'm curious as to why pretty much, can't remember the zeros setup
<G-Mobile>
also, fucking DDR4 adapter for pi
<darklight>
You don't need the front ports
<darklight>
...
<darklight>
Over what?
<darklight>
spi?
<G-Mobile>
GPIO
<G-Mobile>
like, the entire GPIO
<G-Mobile>
it gives you one slot of DDR4
<G-Mobile>
why, who has a fuck
<G-Mobile>
who? always
<G-Mobile>
why? because god damn it
<G-Mobile>
xdevs.com/article/ddr4s
<G-Mobile>
I guess it's a way to give your pi some bulk storage that's not the SD card (oh wait that's 2 slots not 1)
<G-Mobile>
probably an SD card shield to get more SD cards would work better
<G-Mobile>
I bet you could pretty easily make a shield with like 15 SD card slots
<darklight>
The article explains its to fuck with the rams i2c chip
<G-Mobile>
for what purpose
<darklight>
No idea
<G-Mobile>
also I had guessed that it was for out-of-machine ram testing
<darklight>
Not with a pi it won't be
<G-Mobile>
maybe you buy a dozen of these, rig them up in a housing, and you can churn through ram tests fast
<G-Mobile>
we have a table in a warehouse here, that easily has 70 sticks of ram on it
<darklight>
Also someone figured out you can clock sd cards slow and read/write by hooking the pins to an arduino
<darklight>
But probs best to get a shield :P
<G-Mobile>
apparently you can plug two microSD cards into the pi 2's microSD cad reader
<G-Mobile>
what's the best means of determining proximity to an object, wirelessly, without line of sight, using only the hardware existing in a smartphone already
<G-Mobile>
is bluetooth ranging useless?
<G-Mobile>
can a stationary detect the presence of wifi clients that are not connected to it
<G-Mobile>
stationary unit
<G-Mobile>
looks like yes*
<G-Mobile>
SilverFox: re pupperbot, github.com/schollz/find-lf
<G-Mobile>
a proper constellation with enough exploration of the space should be able to understand positions in 3D with as few as 4 stations, but if the structure supports it, 6 stations would work better, and a station in every room would work best
<G-Mobile>
said exploration would also justify the robo roaming around sampling to map radio obstructions
<G-Mobile>
jesusfuck this legalese is terrible
<G-Mobile>
it is possible to interpret title 18, chapter 119, section 2511, oof the US somethingerother code, to say that the operation of a wifi access point is illegal
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<SilverFox>
Greys, I already have an idea ofr a cheaper method of positioning
<SilverFox>
look up how the wiimote fiqures out where the LEDbar is, that's the kind of tech im aiming for
<SilverFox>
you can have a single camera on the cieling, in which the cieling is at a fixed, known distance, so you can calculate the height the robot is at, and even the orientation perhaps
<SilverFox>
so these cameras act like a mesh network, all updating at relatively low frequencies until they are activated or some shit
<teabot>
Updateang.
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<SilverFox>
anyways, time to go get stabbed repeatedly and injected with pure autism
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<G-Mobile>
SilverFox: that requires line of sight in all locations, an RF tracking solution wont
<G-Mobile>
Orientation is trivial as we nailed down in the last conversation, and location isnt yuugely valuable to the robot itself, but could provide location data for arbitrary devices, such as humans
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<G-Mobile>
Its kind of a good cyclic reason seed
<G-Mobile>
the beacon network records all the things and maps them into real space, the robo traverses real space and surveys it to reinforce the model, making the location of arbitrary wifi objects in the house better known, and providing an associated model of real space
<G-Mobile>
This then lets robo/the house contextualize the position of dynamic objects while robo as a dynamic beacon can locate static objects, such as wifi equipment and smart TVs, etc
<G-Mobile>
which assembles a cyber-physical model of the house and informs robo of things going on outside the view of it's sensors
<G-Mobile>
this would among other things permit robo to know when someone has entered the home, and could directly allow identity assumptions without resorting to facial recognition
<G-Mobile>
Imagine you had this system and someone broke into your home, you would be able to track them through the house by their phone, you could potentially have the system alert you when unknown devices arrive while you're gone
<RandomJeb>
I've heard about using wifi to 3d map structures before somewhere
<G-Mobile>
Notibly without needing to fill your home with cameras, an extreme that many people are currently uncomfortable with
<G-Mobile>
anyway, that law defines intercept as recieve, and intercepting a communication as a crime, therefore owning a wifi device which receives is a federal crime, so screw it, take a hammer to all your wifi things
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<MobileFox>
G-Mobile, did I miss anything?
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<Greys>
;tell mobilefox 2 corn cobs
<kmath>
Greys: I'll let mobilefox know when I see them
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<G-Mobile>
Reciprocal penis quotient
<G-Mobile>
Egg, hypercube tic tac toe
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<SilverFox>
Greys, the robot wont give two shits about what smart fuckin tvs you have, that isnt important to its function
<SilverFox>
"How to have gay sex without being gay" wtf vice, calm down please
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<SilverFox>
!tell Majiir Jian Yang from Silicon Valley actually made a real life app, that fucking SeeFood app that tells you whether your food is a hotdog or not
<Qboid>
SilverFox: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<darklight>
British empire wasn't an ethnostate, they took in slaves, until they stopped it at least
<inktop>
i said apartheid
<inktop>
their colonies definitely were
<darklight>
Fair enough, I'm actually rather lacking with my knowledge of history :P
<darklight>
I'm aware that slavery and tensions have existed for a long time
<inktop>
they stopped the trading in slaves, also, mostly to get back at the us. not the using of them.
<inktop>
anywho
<inktop>
the only way that shit ends is a unified secular state of palestine where jews, christians, and muslims are all guaranteed equal stake and representation. its a hell of a long way off tho obviously
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<darklight>
Well considering they kinda want to kill each other yeah
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<inktop>
yea
<inktop>
:(
<inktop>
it'll happen tho
<inktop>
no other way it ends
<inktop>
just gonna be a long ass time. generations