<Althego>
is that the eve lander and ascent vehicle?
<sandbox>
!mission
<LunchBot>
Your drag coefficients are minty fresh. This would be against the channel rules, but it's ok because you spelled it with a K.
<Mat2ch>
yes
<Mat2ch>
it lands empty, gets down on parachutes easily, because it's relatively light, refills and gets back up
<Mat2ch>
the ascend stage is stripped down as much as possible.
<Mat2ch>
But I haven't found a good way to ditch the ladders as well
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<darsie>
Mat2ch: EVA construction?
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<Mat2ch>
darsie: for some reason my engineer didn't have the option
<Mat2ch>
Otherwise I would try to remove and drop it
<Eddi|zuHause>
!mission
<LunchBot>
You install DangIt! There has to be blood. There always has to be blood. What is the point if there is no blood?
<Eddi|zuHause>
dang it!
<sandbox>
!mission
<LunchBot>
You kerraform Duna. You fail more successfully than before.
<sandbox>
but it's ok because you spelled it with a K
<Althego>
hehe fail more successfully
<Eddi|zuHause>
that can mean many things :p
<umbralraptop>
!mission
<LunchBot>
You build a quasi-autonomous non-governmental rocket. Bill is forced to get out and push.
<umbralraptop>
cause of failure: contracting process
<Althego>
cost plus contract :)
<packbart>
with Bill pushing it, it is quasi-autonomous. goal achieved.
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<Mat2ch>
and now the game wants me to throw something into Eves ocean. Means I need to transfer something over...
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<Althego>
cant you just discard a stage into the ocean?
<Althego>
during ascent or something
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<KrazyKrl>
I hear Jeb is an enthusiastic participant.
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<Deddly>
!nextlunch
<LunchBot>
Fried mashed potato with bacon.
<Deddly>
Aaaaaaw yeah!
<Mat2ch>
Fried mashed potato? We call that croquette
<Althego>
i dont like mashed potato, but croquette is good
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<Eddi|zuHause>
how can one not like mashed potato?
<Eddi|zuHause>
i definitely like it more than croquettes
<sandbox>
when it's done poorly
<packbart>
what about mashed fries?
<raptop>
mmm... potato...
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<sandbox>
!mission
<LunchBot>
Bill goes on an EVA to repair the failing AE-35 antenna control unit. Jebediah is pulled over for drinking and flying.
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<Deddly>
Has anyone got a new laptop with a 14th gen Intel CPU and Arc integrated graphics? I'd love to know how KSP2 runs on it.
<Althego>
14th gen is basicallu the 14th gen
<Althego>
13th
<Althego>
so no need to look it up
<Althego>
also for laptops you are probably better off with an amd, lower power consumption
<Deddly>
The big change in 14th gen is the integrated GPU.
<Althego>
intel was really fumbling through the last few years, and next year is going to be worse
<Deddly>
14th gen Intel has a whole new GPU for the first time since gen 11
<Althego>
i am not sure how that behaves, but arc in general is capable but the drivers are still horribly behind what the hardware can do
<Deddly>
It's interesting to me because it is a big leap forward from Iris Xe, and there have been some people able to get KSP2 to run even on Xe
<Deddly>
Yeah. Hopefully that will improve when every Intel CPU has one built in
<Althego>
which also means the arc is steadily improving
<Deddly>
Integrated Arc is nothing on a dedicated GPU, of course. But it would still be interesting to know how it runs.
<Althego>
although even intel doesnt have infinite money, so if they dont gain something from the video division, they might just stop trying
<sandbox>
!mission
<LunchBot>
You don't cut corners, but you ergonomically round them. Some things you just have to try once... even if everyone tells you it's stupid. Sometimes people are wrong.
<Mat2ch>
Did I mention that the Eve mission was a total success? I've never done any Eve mission that smooth. Landing was on 1800 msl, so rather high. Ascend went so well, I had the whole last stage left with 2300 m/s dV in it...
<Mat2ch>
I will have to try to start from sea level though, but with hyperedit, because anything else is too tedious ;)
<Deddly>
Congrats, Mat2ch
<Deddly>
I never really seriously tried an Eve return.
<Althego>
for such testing i usually choose a tiny island on the equator, it is extremely flat and near the edge of one of the seas
<FLHerne>
also congrats
<Deddly>
Anyone who takes on a non-cheaty Eve return mission deserves a pat on the back
<Mat2ch>
Althego: Exactly what I did :)
<Althego>
used to be my default mission if i had nothing else to do
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<Mat2ch>
The ascend is a bit harder, because the vehicle likes to flip (it stays longer in the lower atmosphere and the tanks of the booster stage get lighter as well), but I still had 2000 m/s dV in orbit.
<Mat2ch>
So only a 300 m/s dV difference?
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<Mat2ch>
Deddly: Wanna have the craft file? ;)
<Deddly>
Thanks for the offer but designing and building is the main part of the game for me :)
<Mat2ch>
Althego: Eve ascend as a casual operation when being bored is, uh, please fill in some words here :D
<Althego>
hehe
<Mat2ch>
Everyone says "Eve is hard" and then there are those who do it casually on a Tuesday night. :D
<Althego>
modern eve ascent is too easy
<Mat2ch>
you mean with the vectors and the 5 m tanks?
<Althego>
and the adjusted atmosphere
<Deddly>
I imagine it's like building an SSTO. First time you do it, it's a euphoric moment of elation. Once you've done it a few times, it's, like, "I'll just throw together a quick SSTO spaceplane to save some funds"
<Althego>
used to be over 12000 m/s or something, if i remember correctly
<Althego>
my first try was done with on paper delta v calculation, tested on kerbin, refined it for every gramm of mass i could discard
<Althego>
lot of things have changed since then
<Deddly>
Sounds like a lot of fun, actually.
<Deddly>
No "simulations"?
<Deddly>
I don't do a lot of calculations, but I do usually play permadeath
<Mat2ch>
No quicksaves?
<Althego>
i used to do practice missions with the craft on a separate game, just when i needed to do the mission it went perfectly
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<Mat2ch>
Deddly: Uh, did you timeout again?
<Judge_DedD>
Swapped connections
<Judge_DedD>
Mat2ch, I always have quicksaves in case of bugs, but I test live.
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<Judge_DedD>
So if a Kerbal dies, that's it. No respawns, either. So I'm very careful
<Althego>
yes bugs and crashes were always a big fear of mine
<Mat2ch>
then my ascend vehicle wouldn't be fool proof enough. Would need more testing to be safe and not flip. But with the dV budget I have some small wings could be enough
<Mat2ch>
Althego: on my last test with hyperedit some part just fell off on landing. It wasn't even mentioned in the mission report
<Althego>
lol
<Althego>
the front fell off :)
<Ezriilc>
Yeah, HyperEdit is pretty jenky sometimes.
<Althego>
but there is a built in positioner now
<Mat2ch>
Ezriilc: I did a drop though and landing with parachutes.
<Judge_DedD>
I always engineer in some kind of escape system for rockets. For spaceplanes, I'll have an escape system for the test pilot, but when the design is dialed in, I'll usually get rid of that to save on weight. It's not like I'm going to eject a pilot when there are passengers onboard
<Ezriilc>
Sometimes, when HyperEdit moves a craft, it just wigs out and all manner of crazy can happen.
<Judge_DedD>
Oh and everything I just said is for KSP1.
<Ezriilc>
I've found that just trying again sometimes succeeds.
<Ezriilc>
I know it's frustrating. Sorry about that.
<Judge_DedD>
Here's how I play KSP2: Click the .exe, listen to some nice music, start game, crash to desktop. (I only have 8Gb of RAM)
<Althego>
hehe
<Judge_DedD>
Frustrating how RAM for older machines is so pricey
<Mat2ch>
you could look for used one, but that's always a mixed bag
<Althego>
not even long ago ddr5 was considered expensive compared to ddr4
<Althego>
or are you in need for ddr3?
<Althego>
that is archaic at this point
<Judge_DedD>
Mat2ch, I've found some on Ebay but 16Gb DDR3 short-sized RAM is rare and expensive, even secondhand
<Judge_DedD>
Althego, DDR3. My laptop is nearly eight years old and only has one RAM slot
<Althego>
not produced anymore
<Judge_DedD>
I buy quality stuff that saves me money in the long time because it doesn't break down. But this is the downside to that kind of lifestyle.
<Mat2ch>
Probably cheaper to try to find some old laptops and get the ram from there
<Judge_DedD>
You might be right
<Althego>
not really, because needs one big module
<Althego>
that is probably quite rare
<Judge_DedD>
That's the thing. It's VERY rare.
<Mat2ch>
.oO( Have you tried RaaS? ;)
<Judge_DedD>
Ebay has loads of listings for 16 Gig, but they're always 4x4 or 2x8
<Judge_DedD>
What is RaaS?
<Judge_DedD>
The renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system?
<Althego>
ram as a service :)Ö
<Judge_DedD>
Aah, lol
<Judge_DedD>
There was a guy in Discord who totally thought he could download more RAM when people told him to do that.
<Judge_DedD>
It took, like, an hour until he understood that it was just a meme
<Althego>
i heard in case of servers it might work like that. you buy the licence, and you can use the ram already installed that you couldnt previously
<Judge_DedD>
For real? I despise the commercial system sometimes
<Mat2ch>
I have only seem something like that for virtual machines, where you just book more ram on the system
<Judge_DedD>
That would make more sense
<Judge_DedD>
Imagine buying a meal in a restaurant and you're only allowed to eat half of it unless you pay extra to upgrade your portion.
<Mat2ch>
But, uh, Windows Server licenses came for X number of cores. So you could have more cores, but the OS just didn't use them.
* X
didn't use it either
<Althego>
well, that is the buyer's problem, why use windwos server lol
* X
prefers birdOS actually
* X
tweets
<Judge_DedD>
I just love it how X is not only still around on IRC, but also available at all times of the night or day to respond to pings
<X>
Thankfully, most people tend to ping me during hours I am awake
<Mat2ch>
hehe
<Judge_DedD>
Hehe
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<Hehe>
This would also work
<Mat2ch>
I will have to switch to "n" in the future to not awake you ;)
* Hehe
.
<Althego>
imagine if someone is called tweet, and they do x-es
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<X>
No. I live to respond to random pings.
<X>
I used to have Z as a name but the IRCops made me give it up
<n>
How dare you disturb me, Mat2ch
<Mat2ch>
hrhr
<Althego>
hehe
<Mat2ch>
hehe
<Mat2ch>
:D
<Althego>
and then elon named everything with an x
<Althego>
it is a conspiracy
<X>
His kid is an X
<Mat2ch>
I mean, we have something with a braket as nickname in the channel...
<X>
Maybe he's an X
<Althego>
yes that too
<n>
Why would they make you give up "Z"?
<Mat2ch>
*bracket
<X>
I wasn't using it enough or something.
<Althego>
lol
<n>
Outrageous
<X>
I didn't care to argue with someone who has absolute authority.
<Althego>
should have told them to give up their brains, because they were not using it enough
<n>
Althego, naah, they could always pay to use more
<n>
There's money to earn here somewhere. "Unlock your hidden IQ!"
<X>
Z is not registered just saying....
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<Althego>
but z is not a fine letter in the current political climate :)
<Mat2ch>
I'm curious, why was esper.net chosen for KSP in the first place?
<X>
Oh the russian thing
<Z>
Why not Esper?
<Mat2ch>
I have no good answer to that.
<Z>
I couldn't find any specific reason why Esper was chosen. I did find the announcement though
<Deddly>
I guess so. We did also have an IRCop (or was it the owner of Esper?) in this channel back in the day. Maybe he was a KSP fan and had contact with HarvestR
<Mat2ch>
I always thought Squad payed them or at least sponsored a server
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<Deddly>
Seeyas, bedtime
<Mat2ch>
Bye
<Mat2ch>
and B10 is already at the pad and waiting for its test campain? SpaceX doesn't wait around...