r4m0n changed the topic of #kspmodders to: Technical discussion ONLY (KSP related or not), for random shit-talking, join #shitshow (seriously)
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<Greys>
oh good, chrome disabled home pages
<Greys>
so now I have to see their fucking bullshit bonanza every time I open a tab
<GlassYuri>
use firefox lol
<Greys>
I do
<Greys>
chrome is still useful for things
<Greys>
I basically use it as safemode, no extensions, everything enabled, totally unsafe for when being safe doesn't function
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<Greys>
SilverFox, how much would 500 ant miners weigh
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<SilverFox>
depends on the antminer
<SilverFox>
there are many
<SilverFox>
go look it up
<SilverFox>
and even then its only a shortterm solution, since the difficulty goes up every block or some shit, so you'll have to get bigger stronger antminers every time you finish a block
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<Greys>
we get requests every now and then from people looking to colo miner solutions, they're all weird and poorly considered, also they're not profitable for a datacenter so we don't accept them
<Greys>
today a guy apparently asked to colocate 500 antminers
<SilverFox>
well, there are antminers that are profitable
<Greys>
just by what you've said we can't expect the guy to know shit about shit, so it's good we don't accept miners
<Greys>
not for a datacenter
<SilverFox>
datacenters would use these because they fit in form factors or some shit
<SilverFox>
they're big and square looking
<Greys>
putting them in a datacenter is profitable because normally you don't pay for power used, you pay for a given capacity circuit
<SilverFox>
long rectangle
<SilverFox>
Greys, when I say "profitable" I mean including power costs
<Greys>
you're thinking in the wrong context though
<SilverFox>
I don't give a shit
<Greys>
if we wanted to put miners in we could make it profitable, but that's not our business
<Greys>
but for a customer to be running ant miners would make that an extremely anti-profitable customer
<SilverFox>
it generates more value than it takes in power, this is a fact.
<Greys>
it's not our business
<SilverFox>
great
<Greys>
company that makes cranes isn't going to get into bitmining either
<SilverFox>
thumbsup.jpg
<Greys>
we would sell them space, network access, and a circuit of some amp rating; and all of those are priced so that the whales provision the little guys, and we can charge an accessible price
<Greys>
so a customer who maxes out their circuit, is a bad customer
<SilverFox>
I wouldn't call them "bad"
<SilverFox>
they're just less profitable
<Greys>
if they're paying as much as someone who doesn't, they're bad
<SilverFox>
do you charge flat fee for your power usage or do you charge per usage?
<Greys>
only our largest customer pays per usage
<Greys>
and that's because they demanded it
<Greys>
everybody else pays to have access to a socket with a given rating
<SilverFox>
right, so it's just about profitability at that point
<Greys>
yep
<SilverFox>
so if a customer is utilizing all that you give them, that shouldn't be a problem unless you're trying to low ball shit and assume people wont use that full amount
<SilverFox>
in which case get fukt
<SilverFox>
anyways
<SilverFox>
500 ant miners is heavy
<Greys>
it works the same as mobile app microtransactions
<Greys>
whales make the world turn
<SilverFox>
if every ant miner was like, 2 lbs, it'd be 1 tonne
<SilverFox>
you'd have to house 1 tonne of electronics
<Greys>
I think most racks are rated for 2~3 tonnes, but I doubt you could fit 100 miners in a single rack without a specialty cooling solution
<Greys>
like you'd probably need inside out cooling, which breaks the hot-isle-cold-isle dynamic
<SilverFox>
fuck, I can't get the weight for the S9 miner
<SilverFox>
so every S9 uses like, 1127W ~ 1372W +-10%
<SilverFox>
how many amps are your circuits rated for?
<SilverFox>
it's 10.4lbs
<Greys>
I don't really know, probably 15, 30, numbers like that
<Greys>
;wa 1127W/120V
<kmath>
Greys: (1127 W (watts))/(120 V (volts)): 9.392 W/V (watts per volt)
<SilverFox>
each miner is drawing about 10 amps from the wall
<Greys>
wolfy hates electrons
<Greys>
;wa 1127W/240V
<kmath>
Greys: (1127 W (watts))/(240 V (volts)): 4.696 W/V (watts per volt)
<SilverFox>
obviously half the amps
<Greys>
pretty sure the high level circuits arrive in 3 phase
<SilverFox>
right, but you'd need phase converter because I'm rather sure these antminers aren't 3phase
<Greys>
normally it's a 3 prong socket above the rack, and the customer is expected to provide a PDU with their chosen socket, normally standard wall outlets, sometimes the shrouded ones
<Greys>
one PDU has 2~3 banks, so I'd assume each bank is a single phase
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<SilverFox>
anyways, 500 antminers would weigh about 5 tonnes so there ye go
<Greys>
btw, PDU, Power Delivery Unit, is basically a massive honkin surge protector, normally with an integrated power meter so you can keep your banks balanced, and the fancy ones are network connected so you can remotely cut power to a server if it's unresponsive
<SilverFox>
iirc pewdiepie still has the most subs right?
<Greys>
maybe, but subs aren't meaningful anymore
<SilverFox>
don't care
<Greys>
they're an indicator, at best, of the other factors
<Greys>
SilverFox any chance you follow Folding Ideas? they just did a neat video on how china is gaming the algorithm and that's why everything sucks now
<SilverFox>
none of that even interests me
<Greys>
it's more interesting than you might think, business exploitation, creepy kid abuse, the joker has magic beans or something, so now youtube is crap
<kmath>
YouTube - Weird Kids' Videos and Gaming the Algorithm
<FoxBot9000>
yt: Weird Kids' Videos and Gaming the Algorithm | Folding Ideas
<Greys>
some day, chinese AI will rule the world
<Greys>
and we'll all be pregnant spiderman getting burried alive
<SilverFox>
have you ever considered that you might be senile?
<Greys>
have you ever wondered what wondering is, and who is actually doing it
<Greys>
oh god, white castle has delivery
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<SilverFox>
Greys, do you like zhenzhen io or whatever the fuck that was called?
<Greys>
nah, tried it; the game is intensely disinterested in you playing it, and I'm inclined to oblige
<r4m0n>
most games don't care much if you play them or not, I don't see that as a negative point
<Greys>
what is it week of the living dead?
<r4m0n>
particularly, I avoid games that DO care if I play them or not like the plague
<Greys>
shenzhen IO is like autocad, except it's called a game
<r4m0n>
says the one that actually plays in autocad
<Greys>
now let's be right clear
<Greys>
autocad is one of the most unevolved piece of 70s vomit that exists as a modern product
<r4m0n>
won't disagree there, much prefer solidworks/Catia
<Greys>
majiir showed up some time last week
<r4m0n>
yeah, I've seen
<Greys>
quote "I am alcohol man"
<r4m0n>
I don't *speak* much, I'm always watching :-)
<r4m0n>
speaking of which, get back to #shitshow, the place is dead without you :-P
<Greys>
nah
<Greys>
in order for shitshow to be viable it requires the presence of a significant fraction of people in this channel that won't go
<r4m0n>
can't disagree much there
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<SilverFox>
we should built a titanic 2
<SilverFox>
we need another james cameron movie
<Greys>
what makes you think there have been less than five titanics
<SilverFox>
we need more
<Greys>
yea maybe
<SilverFox>
also, from what I hear the titanic had sink prevention built in, but it wasn't built right
<SilverFox>
like, the bouyancy air part was sectioned off incase it got hull damaged, but then they didnt extend the walls all the way to the ceiling and just overflowed into the next chamber
<r4m0n>
that was after it had severely flooded and was bending already
<Greys>
it's not that it wasn't built right; from what I recall; but that it was built on assumptions about reasonable damage, which the iceburg dramatically exceeded; and it was build in such a way that if ever it did fail it would be worse than not having it
<Greys>
kinda like a reactive armor bullet proof vest, seems like it'd work
<SilverFox>
like, is it fact that the hull of the boat was sectioned in order to protect against one hull section flooding the others?
<Greys>
yea but bulkheads are a really common thing, and were long before the titanic
<SilverFox>
bulkheads, that's the term
<SilverFox>
so were the bulkheads on the titanic not built fully to the top of where they should've been?
<Greys>
at least on modern navel vessels each cell is fully sealed in an emergency, so that can't happen
<SilverFox>
oh yeah dude lets just not put the top of the tupperware container on
<SilverFox>
good shit
<Greys>
still the design would have been sound had everything worked as expected; the system failed because nobody considered this magnetude of damage to be reasonable to predict
<r4m0n>
a couple extra walls, front to back, on the whole of the inside would have easilly solved the issue
<SilverFox>
like, yes, there's a point at which a looong break through the hull will hit multiple bulkheads and shit would just get too heavy, but like... isolate them
<Greys>
designing the range of failure conditions that can reasonably designed to account for is a career
<r4m0n>
it's all a balance of cost and damage it can sustain
<SilverFox>
probably
<SilverFox>
right
<Greys>
it probably would have doubled the cost just with the steel and work to cap them, before changing the design to account for that weight
<r4m0n>
it performed perfectly within the design constraints
<Greys>
so did <insert EA title here>
<SilverFox>
everything should operate perfectly within design constraints
<r4m0n>
some stuff doesn't, THAT needs to burn
<SilverFox>
indeed
<SilverFox>
overspecced stuff should be illegal
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<SilverFox>
wait up
<SilverFox>
I know this dude
<SilverFox>
Nertea you lil shit
<Greys>
if it's built to spec, and that spec is overkill, that's one thing
<Nertea>
yo
<Greys>
nert does the pretty parts what for reactors and crap
<SilverFox>
where you been
<Greys>
I built at least three quadcopters out of those
<Nertea>
periodically forget IRC exists
<SilverFox>
nice
<SilverFox>
we were just talking about how titanic was stupid
<SilverFox>
and could've easily been prevented
<Nertea>
too true
<SilverFox>
also how we should make a titanic 2 so we can get another james cameron film
<r4m0n>
hindsight is 20/20 and all that
<SilverFox>
well I coulda told ya to isolate the fuckin bulkheads
<r4m0n>
sure, the 2M$ aren't coming out of YOUR paycheck
<r4m0n>
just a wild guess of how much the covering alone would cost, right now
<SilverFox>
how many can it float with?
<SilverFox>
all but 5 right?
<SilverFox>
seal all but 5
<Greys>
depends where they are, I posted a link about that before
<SilverFox>
right
<Greys>
at the front it can handle 2 flooded compartments
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<Greys>
in different places up to 4
<SilverFox>
so lets alternate sealings to match that
<r4m0n>
IIRC it could handle 4 front/back flooded
<Greys>
now that's the smartest thing you've said that I remember
<r4m0n>
alternate sealing would help, yeah
<SilverFox>
now, if those sealed ones get penetrated, it'll suck
<Greys>
aaaactually
<Greys>
the sealed ones can't leak
<SilverFox>
right
<r4m0n>
there's also the thing that those aren't empty voids...
<r4m0n>
there's people and machines in there
<Greys>
so if alternating tubs have tops, then you've probably got like four or five times better resistance
<SilverFox>
alternating is at least better
<Greys>
Nertea, you got any new parts for using inappropriately in electric aircraft?
<Nertea>
ehhh nothing recent
<Nertea>
fusion reactors?
<SilverFox>
ksp is kinda dead now btw
<Greys>
I recall those being massive and weighing about 3 minmus
<Nertea>
mm yeah 13t
<Nertea>
i was going to make a tiny gag one based off mr fusion from back to the future 2
<SilverFox>
>actually talking about ksp in kspmodders
<Nertea>
haven't had time though
<Nertea>
how horrid
<Greys>
talking about ksp MODS, almost like we're not a bunch of dicks
<SilverFox>
oh right, I have one of those
<Greys>
you should make the artillery game into steam green light quality and sell it, then get into modding that
<SilverFox>
that's Glass|phone territory now
<SilverFox>
unless I VR it
<Greys>
VR it.
<SilverFox>
ughhhhhhhhh
<SilverFox>
no time
<SilverFox>
I have 2 assignments I'm procrastinating
<Nertea>
so much procrastination and so little time
<SilverFox>
so little time
<SilverFox>
they're due like, saturday
<Greys>
what if a game where you have some webcams and then you 3D print a bunch of models in different colors and move them around a board while wearing a VR headset; and you play as somebody in the model, with your hand of god reaching down to move you around
<SilverFox>
wait up
<SilverFox>
that's like some meta-shit
<SilverFox>
but that would be considered actual MR
<Greys>
it'll sell great
<SilverFox>
rather than VR
<Greys>
now if you have friends, you can have your friends play the hand of god
<SilverFox>
however
<SilverFox>
I can make this easier
<SilverFox>
you dont need the cameras
<SilverFox>
you already got cameras
<SilverFox>
your position in 3d space is known
<Greys>
say the model is like a Rook, but set up like a real castle turret, your team is in this rook; jesus I have invented god chess
<Greys>
every piece has a team of players, and they've got guns and shit
<SilverFox>
fuckingamericans and their guns
<SilverFox>
no guns in chess
<Greys>
in real time you can shoot at anything you want, but the god hands are moving your piece around
<Greys>
if everybody in a piece dies that piece is dead
<SilverFox>
so some VR RTS
<Greys>
technically the strategy is turn based
<SilverFox>
do a VR RTS
<SilverFox>
that interests me more
<Greys>
without going sword and blade, how would you make the VRness matter?
<SilverFox>
you are the soldier groups, and you wait in a lobby until you are summoned
<SilverFox>
if not enough players are found, it will use CPUs