egg changed the topic of #principia to: Logs: https://esper.irclog.whitequark.org/principia | <scott_manley> anyone that doubts the wisdom of retrograde bop needs to get the hell out | https://xkcd.com/323/ | <egg> calculating the influence of lamont on Pluto is a bit silly…
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⟨Al₂Me₆⟩ The button grid must grow.
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⟨egg⟩ ⟪Al₂Me₆⟫ The button grid must grow. ⮪ But only the one for the plotting frame, the manœuvre frame selector stays the same.
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⟨egg⟩ (Maybe we could get away with allowing that frame as a manœuvre frame? That would probably require more weird hacks, so let’s wait until we see what the use cases are.)
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⟨Al₂Me₆⟩ Stupid question: what is a ‘current meter’?
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⟨egg⟩ Like a current dollar, I am lifting that terminology from economics
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⟨Al₂Me₆⟩ _Now_ it makes sense.
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⟨kingparity⟩ is there any way to test the frame for myself 😂
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⟨egg⟩ That is, metres as measured at the time of the event (so for out-of-plane speed at the node, metres as measured with by a 1 m platinum-iridium stick you happen to be carrying as you cross the reference plane), even though that stick changes length over time.
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⟨egg⟩ ⟪kingparity⟫ is there any way to test the frame for […] ⮪ I’m not sure what you would want to test, as the PR description says, it is mostly more confusing version of MEO until we add the equipotentials…
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⟨Al₂Me₆⟩ ~But the length of the stick is not constant enough~
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⟨egg⟩ +a
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⟨lpg⟩ pretty sure the proper term is "ampmeter"
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⟨egg⟩ That is, metres as measured at the time of the event (so for out-of-plane speed at the node, metres as measured with by a 1 m platinum-iridium stick you happen to be carrying as you cross the reference plane), even though that stick changes length over time (in the rotating-pulsating reference frame).
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⟨kingparity⟩ ⟪egg⟫ I’m not sure what you would want to […] ⮪ ah
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⟨kingparity⟩ yeah the MEO is already pretty good
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⟨egg⟩ On an unrelated note, since we added the orbit analysis of celestials, maybe I could make the ±1 orbit buttons use the synodic period when in a 2-body frame…
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⟨Al₂Me₆⟩ Huh, I just OOM'd my 32 GB machine compiling Principia. That's new.
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⟨Starmincer⟩ Sounds about right. :-p
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⟨Starmincer⟩ This is how it starts, then before you know it, you have 128GB of ram.
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⟨egg⟩ ⟪Al₂Me₆⟫ Huh, I just OOM'd my 32 GB machine […] ⮪ That is weird, sichelgaita still works on a 16 GB machine
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⟨Damien⟩ ⟪egg⟫ That is weird, sichelgaita […] ⮪ he compiles the first half, then the second half, then stitches them together
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⟨Damien⟩ egg I know on the principia wiki that it mentions that using kopernicus for parallax means that the stock system jool reconfig doesn't happen so you need to add the config manually. I forgot to do that on my current stock install though but haven't seen the warning message. I did however see it when testing out Luna Multiplayer with some friends which I took as it being a multiplayer issue. Is the manual config still required when...
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... playing unmodded stock system, but with kopernicus for parallax etc?
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⟨Damien⟩ -it
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⟨egg⟩ ⟪Damien⟫ egg (@_discord_340796382434689037:matrix[…] ⮪ Which way is Bop spinning?
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⟨egg⟩ also, if you add parallax after starting the save with Principia, you can probably sneak that past us.
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⟨Damien⟩ ⟪egg⟫ Which way is Bop spinning? ⮪ I'll check when I get home. I'm at work at the mo
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⟨Damien⟩ egg I tested it on my work laptop (forgot about cloud saves). Bop is indeed retrograde. I never installed the config though and from what I recall, I installed kopernicus prior to creating the save so 🤷♂️
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⟨Damien⟩ maybe I installed afterwards but I don't think so
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⟨Damien⟩ although if the error did happen after creating a new save for multiplayer it's possible that's the case
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⟨kingparity⟩ whenever i try to go somewhere like eve i always end up with this highly inclined path and adjusting it takes so much delta v and I wanna make sure I'm not doing something wrong cuz without principia this shouldn't take hundreds of meters per second right?
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⟨kingparity⟩ +to fix
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⟨kingparity⟩ +I also never get what I want