egg changed the topic of #principia to: Logs: https://esper.irclog.whitequark.org/principia | <scott_manley> anyone that doubts the wisdom of retrograde bop needs to get the hell out | https://xkcd.com/323/ | <egg> calculating the influence of lamont on Pluto is a bit silly…
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<_whitenotifier-3bb6> [Principia] MuhsinFatih commented on issue #2556: Disable timewarp rotation if under a certain threshold - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/2556#issuecomment-2478421118
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account9540⟩ A non-issue because of how kerbalism works, Your vessel's orientation stays the same while it's unloaded
<queqiao-> Slow rotation only happens when you're at the vessel and you can spin stabilize it to point to the sun during that (usually brief) time
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account9540⟩ +for the purpose of calculating solar panel output
<queqiao-> ⟨Joshua Wood⟩ spin at 5rpm = problem solved
<queqiao-> ⟨ezsnack⟩ i spin at 1.5 lol
<queqiao-> ⟨ezsnack⟩ deg/s!
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<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ Tbh, I think the performance of my computer is very very good when near the Moon...
<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ I do notice something strange. Right after crashing, the battery check fails. However, to me that makes sense since the vessel has now disappeared LOL.
<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ Is there an easy way to record a video? Do you think that might help for troubleshooting?
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<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ Tbh, I think the performance of my computer is quite alright when near the Moon...
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<queqiao-> ⟨siimav⟩ Win+alt+R
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<queqiao-> ⟨makoivis⟩ any tips for doing gravity assists with Principia + KSP? what do I need to take into account to make it successful, do I need to wait for certain conjunction dates to make them possible at all? I'm trying to do an Earth => Venus Fly-by => Mars Fly-by mission
<queqiao-> ⟨makoivis⟩ a good way to make things stable is to have three handles instead of two, that works even if it would otherwise be prone to flipping
<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ Thanks Siimav!
<queqiao-> If anyone is interested... here is the video of the crash. You can also see that nearby the crash, the framerate is of 60fps. I've also removed the most boring parts.
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<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ -https://streamable.com/yqlkwn
<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ Video: https://streamable.com/2tiztl
<queqiao-> ⟨butcher6994⟩ Seems bugged - the below 3500m check isn't firing.
<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ That's my impression too, indeed.
<queqiao-> ⟨Joshua Wood⟩ you are under 3500m for like 5s haha should be plenty of time :p i impacted the moon and survived recently and it still counted it...
<queqiao-> ⟨lancisman⟩ One workaround solution I sometimes use when contracts bug like this is to cheat complete them, since it's a bug I personally don't consider it cheating
<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ I'll post the video in RSSReborn, maybe Fox has an opinion about it too.
<queqiao-> ⟨benjamin9511⟩ Probably a question someone has already asked. But would it be worth it for in my RP1 with principia game to build a relay satellite that will sit in the Earth moon L2 point to act as a relay for the far side of the moon?
<queqiao-> ⟨makoivis⟩ Yes, but the orbits are only quasi-stable so you will have to do periodic station-keeping
<queqiao-> ⟨butcher6994⟩ It's not beyond the realms of possibility that RSS reborn is throwing off the altitude check.
<queqiao-> ⟨makoivis⟩ you can see when it starts to diverge and schedule a maneuver then to keep it around the L2 point and use KAC
<queqiao-> ⟨lancisman⟩ Forgot to say but it's active contracts section of the alt-f12 menu
<queqiao-> ⟨butcher6994⟩ I have done it, it was a chore in practice since you tend to have to station keep roughly every 30 days.
<queqiao-> ⟨butcher6994⟩ I found sticking a few relays in DRO was a better solution. They were stable for years or decades and gave adequate coverage.
<queqiao-> ⟨benjamin9511⟩ What's DRO?
<queqiao-> ⟨lancisman⟩ Distant retrograde orbit
<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ Why retrograde orbit would make a difference?
<queqiao-> ⟨benjamin9511⟩ Is that retrograde around earth or the moon?
<queqiao-> ⟨raptop | ²³⁹Pu powered⟩ Retrograde around the Moon, and you get better stabbity from the perturbations being shorter in duration (IIRC)
<queqiao-> ⟨raptop | ²³⁹Pu powered⟩ ...though it occurs to me that there's nothing stopping you from trying to put something in a distant retrograde Earth orbit
<queqiao-> ⟨lancisman⟩ A DRO is also interesting because it can allow some interesting orbit shapes, such as a square, pentagon, hexagon and so on.
<queqiao-> ⟨lancisman⟩ * on, until it's basically a circle iirc
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<queqiao-> ⟨ezsnack⟩ does principia have any hotkeys? like to open the main window without scrolling or the plotting frame selection? if not why not
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ No, because no-one did anything to make that happen, because this does not sound particularly fun to do.
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<queqiao-> ⟨butcher6994⟩ Around the moon, though technically it's outside the hill sphere so it's in an earth orbit that happens to look like a lunar orbit.
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<queqiao-> ⟨butcher6994⟩ The main advantages are being high enough above the moon to get good line of sight to earth for almost all of the orbit and stability.
<queqiao-> ⟨ezsnack⟩ also is there a better way to cheat an orbit than hack gravity => set orbit => enable gravity again
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<queqiao-> ⟨siimav⟩ Someone should patch the stock tool to do that automatically when Principia is installed.
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<queqiao-> ⟨test_account9540⟩ Let's say there is a kerbal on a ladder, on a ship that is in orbit...
<queqiao-> The kerbal can move up and down the ladder, and his orbital parameters change accordingly when he moves. When he stops moving, the original orbit is restored (No ladder drive).
<queqiao-> But why does the kerbal remain on the ladder? What keeps him there?
<queqiao-> (does the game just forcibly set his location to be on the ladder, without applying forces etc., and principia lets that happen instead of making him fly away?)
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<queqiao-> ⟨Kirk (He/Him)⟩ I'm pretty sure Kraken drives work fine in Principia
<queqiao-> ⟨Kirk (He/Him)⟩ Because yeah, KSP just applies force to the Kerbal and vessel to try and keep them appropriately aligned
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ They do not.
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account9540⟩ ah, so when the kerbal goes outside the allowed area on the ladder, a force is applied to return him to that area?
<queqiao-> ⟨Kirk (He/Him)⟩ Huh, really?
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ Ripping out half the game helps with making more principled.
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