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<queqiao-> ⟨razgriz16⟩ Snapping doesn't really make sense in the context of Principia, since the planner accounts for your acceleration, not just an instantaneous impulse
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<queqiao-> ⟨Joshua Wood⟩ I’ve found the best way is to compare planned peri with predicted peri and fiddle with the time untill they are the same
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<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ Hi everyone, I was making a highly elliptical orbit around Earth: Ap 100k km and Pe 200 km aprox.
<queqiao-> After that, I set a maneuver in the Flight Planner exactly (~5s error) of when the Ap was predicted to be.
<queqiao-> However, after coasting to it then I realised it was off considerably like dozens of minutes.
<queqiao-> I understand that orbits change due to orbit fluctuations. However I also understood that Principia's predicted orbits were accurate (e.g. Ap will be where predicted once I get there).
<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ * 100 Mm and Pe 200 km approx.
<queqiao-> ⟨Joshua Wood⟩ did you make the manoeuvre then orientate to it?
<queqiao-> your RCS probably altered your orbit slightly
<queqiao-> maybe you didn't click rebase and make sure the burn was how you wanted after attitude adjustment
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<queqiao-> ⟨iozos1⟩ Hi everyone, I have a problem with Principia, since 3-4 weeks, it seems that principia does not work as intended and i don't know why, maybe a conflict with an other mod.
<queqiao-> The Nav ball is not the one from principia but the vanilla one, yhe flight plan does not work but the change of altitude over time works.
<queqiao-> I would like to know if someone experienced this already and if a solution exist ? I tried to uninstal and instal principi many time but nothing happen.
<queqiao-> ⟨iozos1⟩ Thanks for any info
<queqiao-> ⟨iozos1⟩ An other picture
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account9540⟩ There is this
<queqiao-> "Starting with Klein, users have reported crashes very early in the game, when loading a save or entering the tracking station. This seems to be related to an incompatibility between old versions of the Visual C++ redistributable and our compiler (Visual Studio 17.10.5). You can tell that you are running into this problem because (1) the game crashes without a FATAL file and (2) the stack in the error.log and Player.log files starts with a line...
<queqiao-> ... similar to: 0x00007FFC64473020 (MSVCP140) Thrd_yield (the actual address may differ). If you run into this, please upgrade to the latest version of the Visual C++ redistributable."
<queqiao-> I can confirm that such issues exist, I made a new install with Principia Kronecker and it refused to load, stopping shortly before main menu. So the issue is not exactly as described above. But updating the VC++ redistributable solved my issue, the game loads. So maybe these weird issues can be fixed in the same way as well?
<queqiao-> ⟨iozos1⟩ I will try to update and let you know, thanks
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ Well, what this user is reporting is not a crash, it is Principia not doing its thing. I am guessing something is throwing an exception during rendering, but we would need logs to know.
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account9540⟩ I also didn't have a crash. The loading process never completed, I saw earth and kerbals but no main menu.
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ Oh, exciting.
<queqiao-> ⟨iozos1⟩ Yes no crash at all, just not working
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ (logs?)
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account9540⟩ sadly no logs here and I can't reproduce it because the new VC++ redistributable fixed things...
<queqiao-> ⟨iozos1⟩ where can i found the log ?
<queqiao-> ⟨iozos1⟩ This one ?
<queqiao-> ⟨iozos1⟩ There is a KSP.log of 149 Mb, is it this one ?
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account9540⟩ it's probably explained somewhere here
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ Since we are looking for exceptions, this one might actually be useful for once.
<queqiao-> ⟨iozos1⟩ Yes bbut i can't upload a file with more than 10 Mb
<queqiao-> ⟨iozos1⟩ this log may help
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ Yes but this is not where you should post logs anyway.
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ Off to a GitHub issue, please. https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/blob/master/SUPPORT.md
<queqiao-> ⟨iozos1⟩ in GitHub ?
<queqiao-> ⟨iozos1⟩ ok
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ Yes. Filling the chat with logs is not a good idea.
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ (And if KSP.log is 149 Mb, I am guessing it is spamming an exception every frame, which would explain why nothing works, so it is going to be the one we want to look at.)
<queqiao-> ⟨iozos1⟩ ok, i am into it
<queqiao-> ⟨iozos1⟩ thanks
<_whitenotifier-bad2> [Principia] Iozos opened issue #4135: Principia not working as intended - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/4135
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account9540⟩ zip ksp.log and upload the zip
<queqiao-> ⟨iozos1⟩ very good idea thanks
<_whitenotifier-bad2> [Principia] Iozos commented on issue #4135: Principia not working as intended - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/4135#issuecomment-2488932707
<queqiao-> ⟨sichelgaita⟩ If your 149 MiB file compresses to 4 MiB, there is not a lot of entropy there.
<_whitenotifier-bad2> [Principia] pleroy commented on issue #4135: Principia not working as intended - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/4135#issuecomment-2488947148
<_whitenotifier-bad2> [Principia] Iozos commented on issue #4135: Principia not working as intended - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/4135#issuecomment-2488968458
<queqiao-> ⟨sichelgaita⟩ Are you by any chance using RSS Reborn?
<queqiao-> ⟨siimav⟩ That's a Yes if you spot RSS-Configs in gamedata.
<queqiao-> ⟨sichelgaita⟩ Yep, problem solved.
<_whitenotifier-bad2> [Principia] pleroy commented on issue #4135: Principia not working as intended - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/4135#issuecomment-2488980659
<queqiao-> ⟨sichelgaita⟩ So that means that I'll need to handle "NullReferenceException" at the place where we evaluate the height, and say something about RSS-Reborn.
<queqiao-> ⟨sichelgaita⟩ The gift that keeps giving...
<queqiao-> ⟨iozos1⟩ Yes i see, well i will try to figure out, thank you very much for your help in any case
<_whitenotifier-bad2> [Principia] Iozos commented on issue #4135: Principia not working as intended - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/4135#issuecomment-2488998341
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<queqiao-> ⟨profrich.⟩ My nav ball has gone back to stock and I see the vanilla map screen since latest RO update... I've tried reinstalling principia but no joy. Any ideas what's going on?
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account9540⟩ RSS Reborn?
<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ Thanks for the reply! After troubleshooting more, I realized that I was using as a reference Mechjeb time to Ap window instead of the Predicted time to Ap in the Map mode. I realized that Mechjeb's value was changing rapidly while the Predicted value by Principia was static.
<queqiao-> Bottom line, I can't trust Mechjeb Ap/Pe data for the Predicted Ap/Pe.
<queqiao-> ⟨profrich.⟩ I don't use it.
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account9540⟩ Then there is some other bug than the one discussed before! (which was caused by RSS reborn)
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account9540⟩ * this
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account9540⟩ +looked similar and
<queqiao-> ⟨profrich.⟩ It's since the update of one of these.
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account9540⟩ Maybe try reverting RSS origin to previous version
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account9540⟩ If this mod also affects planets like RSS reborn then maybe it caused the same effect
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account9540⟩ Is your ksp.log file huge and full of exceptions related to PQS something?
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account9540⟩ (huge, as in 140 Mb huge)
<queqiao-> ⟨profrich.⟩ Hmmmmm
<queqiao-> ⟨profrich.⟩ I'll just try removing RSS Origin a minute and see if that works.
<raptop> things that Principia might be able to simulate: https://arxiv.org/abs/2411.12645
<queqiao-> ⟨profrich.⟩ Removing RSS Origin has fixed it.
<queqiao-> ⟨sichelgaita⟩ If you still have that "KSP.log" file around, could you zip it and attach it to https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/4135 ? I'd like to take a look at it at some point.
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<queqiao-> ⟨butcher6994⟩ Why are there so many alternative broken RSS implementations?
<queqiao-> ⟨Joshua Wood⟩ everyone thinks they can do better and turns out it's hard
<queqiao-> ⟨butcher6994⟩ And instead of fixing the existing stuff they make endless new versions that get abandoned