raptop changed the topic of #KSPOfficial to: Kerbal Space Program official channel | versions: KSP1 1.12.3 http://bit.ly/ksp112update | Rules: http://tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules | "modcall" to call ops | Δv maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.png https://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png | Lunar eclipse May 16 https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/LEplot/LEplot2001/LE2022May16T.pdf | EHT announcement! https://iopscience.iop.org/journal/2041-8205
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<funkenstein> ;mission
<LunchBot> Jeb goes on strike, claiming that every time he flies his mind is psychically controlled by giant beings from another universe. Connection is lost.
<Althego> hehe
<Althego> trying to opress the trut
<XXCoder> lol
<XXCoder> ;mission
<LunchBot> You call the copse to report an orchard burglary. You notice the double-space formatting in ;mission. This messes with you to no end.
<XXCoder> no wonder too. copse cursed me
<Althego> hehe, i guess there was sa trailing space in the mission
<Althego> copse hehe
<funkenstein> ;mission
<LunchBot> You tire of rockets, and decide to launch craft into space with a giant gun. Cosmic rays strike your eyeballs almost constantly, preventing you from seeing what actually happened.
<Althego> hehe
<funkenstein> apparently someone forgot to say "you'll shoot your eye out with cosmic rays, Jules!"
<funkenstein> ;mission
<LunchBot> You ignite some mercury thiocyanite as an offering to the Kraken. It is immeasurably thick! (about 6 centimeters)
<funkenstein> lol
<funkenstein> ;mission
<LunchBot> KSC staff swear too much on the job. The ops are unsure how to handle it, you are banned and unbanned repeatedly.
<funkenstein> tracks
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<XXCoder> indeed
<Althego> hehe wait, it is friday 15th
<Althego> 13th
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<funkenstein> 12th
<Althego> we are well into 13th over here
<XXCoder> very soon 13rd here
<funkenstein> ;mission add Ah, Perry the Platypus, your ISP is impeccable...by which I mean COMPLETELY PECCABLE!
<LunchBot> Added mission: Ah, Perry the Platypus, your ISP is impeccable...by which I mean COMPLETELY PECCABLE!
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<Pinkbeast> Once again I learn that if KSP loads quickly I haven't found some secret sauce to make it do that, I just accidentally loaded my clean install
<SporkWitch> lol
<SporkWitch> I have it installed on a Firecuda 520 nvme drive and have a Ryzen 9 3950x; my modded install takes around 5 minutes to reach the menu lol
<Pinkbeast> I did not find moving it off spinning rust improved matters as much as I had hoped.
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<SporkWitch> for general loading it'll usually help, but with mods it's CPU and RAM that make the difference
<SporkWitch> If I took some time to tweak the timings on my RAM that'd probably make a difference, but windows is unstable enough as it is, don't wanna eff with it
<Pinkbeast> I'd be less vexed by it if it didn't leak memory enough on scene switching I have to have another 5-minute break every 2-3 hours
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<SporkWitch> i have 128GB of RAM, I don't worry about memory leaks lol
<Pinkbeast> I... don't
<flayer> i have 12 GB RAM
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<packbart> Pinkbeast: 20s ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xHCZNe78FU (ok, that is without DLCs or mods and it's the second start after caching all the files)
<Pinkbeast> Yeah, with no mods I get something in that ballpark :-)
<packbart> there is the thing that KSP only loads one file per graphic frame. it doesn't use vsync in the loading screen but still the GPU can be a bottleneck
<packbart> it's especially noticeable when the framerate is restricted by an external tool (NVidia settings etc.)
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<Izaya> ... I think mangohud reports 60 FPS during loading, I'll have to look into disabling that. It's probably tearfree again >.>
<Izaya> I did find moving KSP to my SSD helped by 30-50%, but my HDD is SLOW - it's a big SMR drive
<Izaya> fine for big sequential reads but terrible for random access (and even worse for random writes)
<Pinkbeast> Oooh, bad luck
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<Izaya> btrfs and DM-SMR drives is a surprisingly good combination but it can't do a lot in KSP's case :D
<Althego> until you get the btrfs trnasid verify failed error
<Izaya> ~10 years and no issues so far
<Pinkbeast> And of course you have backups
<Althego> i suspect something happened in bullseye
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<packbart> after some trouble with btrfs and zfs-on-linux, I went back to good 'ol ext4
<flayer> i've used ext3 and ext4
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<packbart> I vaguely remember ext2
<Izaya> ext4 is the real "I don't care I just want it to work" answer
<Althego> exactly
<Althego> back in the day reiserfs was gaining popularity until the creater went to jail
<Izaya> murdered his wife or something, right?
<packbart> or because of it ;)
<packbart> I also lost files with reiserfs and xfs
<Pinkbeast> Much as I dislike WP vandalism I admit a bit of admiration for whoever kept editing a column called "murders your wife" into the table in "list of Unix filesystems"
<raptop> !mission add You design a custom tech tree based off of the Rockwell Integrated Development Plan.
<LunchBot> Added mission: You design a custom tech tree based off of the Rockwell Integrated Development Plan.
<packbart> !mission
<LunchBot> You decide to glue a rocket on top of a whale. MOM! Phineas and Ferb are building a rocket again!
<packbart> figures
<Mat2ch> !mission
<LunchBot> You build an Alcubierre drive. Oh, they'll be talking about it for years!
<raptop> plausible
<Mat2ch> Light years, to be precise.
<raptop> (well, not the drive, but you know...)
<Althego> they are already talking about that for years
<Mat2ch> But nobody has built one yet.
<Althego> but however they reduce the exotic matter requirements, it still needs exotic matter. unless that one article could be true
<packbart> ugh, yet another Starlink mission. boooooring! ;)
<packbart> their rockets never explode on liftoff. lame.
<Pinkbeast> Mat2ch: Well, it's an interesting mathematical model, not an engineering problem
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<flayer> ik ben zo moe
<packbart> try sleep then
<flayer> already did
<flayer> it doesn't help ._.
<flayer> too stressed
<flayer> it's not right packbart, and there seems to be so little that can be done about it
<flayer> but i feel compelled to try
<packbart> that is a common condition, I'm afraid
<flayer> how do people deal with it
<flayer> do they throw bananas at one another?
* flayer throws a banana at packbart
<flayer> that does seem to help, oddly enough
<flayer> thanks for letting me throw a banana
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<packbart> oh noice :)
<packbart> The act of throwing bananae in trying times is generally frowned upon but quietly accepted in most cultures
<flayer> i get banned from plenty of places for throwing bananas
<packbart> well, they do pose a certain hazard due to their comical properties. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMDgmHB4znc
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<packbart> "Whosoever throws banana skins on the sidewalk does a great unkindness to the public, and is quite likely to be responsible for a broken limb."
<packbart> I didn't even know there was a banana apocalypse. https://youtu.be/_mTxb4CvFZs?t=160
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<Mat2ch> Pinkbeast: at some point we have to build it and try. Remember the Diesel engine. The calculations said it will never work...
<Pinkbeast> Right, that's the sort of misconception common around it.
<Mat2ch> I still think that a long powerful electro magnet will do the trick. But until I get my hands on the materials I can't try
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<Pinkbeast> Uh... pretty sure you can't expect to cook up exotic matter in the squash court, not that that would help
<Mat2ch> I'm thinking of another effect. Not the exotic matter.
<Mat2ch> Wasn't the exotic matter only necessary to generate the power for it?
<Pinkbeast> No idea; FTL + relativity = causality violation _however you do it_ so the details of the proposed FTL don't matter.
<Mat2ch> why does it violate causality?
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<prissy> hello
<Pinkbeast> Hello.
<prissy> please dont mess with flayer
<Pinkbeast> I think one of us is confused
<Mat2ch> I think the argument is wrong.
<Pinkbeast> Mat2ch: Well, you're mistaken.
<Pinkbeast> If you're lucky you can scroll through the comments and find someone else making the same mistake and an explanation of why it's a mistake.
<Mat2ch> The problem is that special relativity doesn't match up with quantum mechanics and that is probably why it is wrong. Just a feeling here, to annoy physicists :D
<Mat2ch> and it's too late, too warm and I had not enough sleep for weeks to go further into it, sadly.
<Pinkbeast> Ah, "not relativity". But that doesn't contradict "FTL + relativity = causality violation"...
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<Mat2ch> right
<Mat2ch> For some reason I think relativity is missing something.
<Pinkbeast> But the effects discussed in that argument are very well supported by observation.
<Pinkbeast> (I mean, I don't really believe in all this spooky dark matter buzzing about the universe)
<Mat2ch> yes, that's why I'm thinking we are missing something in the equations. Something important.
<packbart> Down with causality, I say! What good has it ever done for us?
<Mat2ch> and when we find it, we might get a way to travel faster than light.
<Pinkbeast> Mat2ch: What I'm saying is _even if_ relativity does give, it seems unlikely to give in ways that would invalidate that argument.
<Pinkbeast> In the same way that Newtonian mechanics gave, but the EMDrive is still bogus.
<Mat2ch> I really wish that Mike McCulloch wouldn't be such a nagger. Because I haven't seen anyone rebut his idea in a good fashion. (because nobody seems to want to talk to him...)
<Mat2ch> oh, and all the conspiracy theories...
<Mat2ch> For is QI stuff he at least has some formulas
<Mat2ch> but on the other hand, Noam Chomsky is lately going down that road, too
<Pinkbeast> So uh "who's Mike McCulloch?" -> "fossil fuel burning civilisation around 10k BC" -> o rly
<Mat2ch> He's the mind behind the QI theory. And there's a thrust now using that. And they have tested it in space?!
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<Mat2ch> *thruster
<Pinkbeast> "under the conditions it will see in space", 45mN. This is just the EMDrive over again.
<Mat2ch> ah, yes, found another article.
<Mat2ch> There they said it's going to be in space. Well. I wonder if it works there.
<Mat2ch> Nobody tried the EMDrive in space yet. I hope it launches soon, will end all the discussions.
<Pinkbeast> as RationalWiki puts it "Although the magnitude of the effect is one that should be easily measurable, being far larger than the gravitational forces measured in the Cavendish experiment over 200 years ago"
<Pinkbeast> Oh, and https://www.researchgate.net/publication/325177082_The_SpaceDrive_Project_-_First_Results_on_EMDrive_and_Mach-Effect_Thrusters finds the source of the errors that appeared to make it work at all
<Mat2ch> well, I like doing experiments. It's an easy way to falsify claims.
<Pinkbeast> https://ivolimited.us/technology/ "Exclusively using the electric field, CBAT safely transmits power, making EMF radiation, harmful lasers and concentrated RF a thing of the past." using the electric field without EMF, huh? Pretty sure these are charlatans not sadly deluded.
<Mat2ch> If the thruster works on a satellite and can help it station keeping, it will be great. If it doesn't work, we know there has to be an error somewhere.
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<Mat2ch> The IVO thruster was tested by an independent test organization. They can make mistakes, but it's different from the original EMDrive.
<Pinkbeast> Well, except inasmuch as the original EMDrive also relied on there being subtle ways to make errors in testing.
<packbart> Mat2ch: the paper claims that it would only deliver any thrust due to the Earth's magnetic, even after accounting for measuremenet errors introduced by the electronics
<packbart> at least that's my tl;dr reading of the conclusion
<Mat2ch> The paper is from 2018 on a different thing.
<Pinkbeast> (also IDK about you but if I had a reactionless thruster I'd wire up two of them to a generator and start selling electricity. But if I was a charlatan, I'd concentrate on the space application because it's much harder to test things in space.)
<Mat2ch> Reactionless doesn't mean powerless.
<Pinkbeast> I'm cognisant of that, yes.
<Mat2ch> They are only violating a few principles...
<Pinkbeast> (But if you go fast enough the increase in KE is over-unity and the claims here make "fast enough" quite a modest speed)
<Mat2ch> I'm looking forward to the test. Will be at least an interesting thing to watch.
<packbart> tbh, I spaced out at "high confined accelerations". I don't even know what that means. QI doesn't even appear in The Wikipedia. ( https://en.everybodywiki.com/Quantised_Inertia )
<packbart> but yeah, send it up, see what happens. all it needs is funding ;)
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<Pinkbeast> funding> any day now, your Majesty, I will turn lead into gold, I just need a bit more gold for chemicals :-)
<packbart> *vacuum intensifies*
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<Izaya> Could also have been mangohud artificially limiting the framerate
<Izaya> but I'm getting like 1000FPS on the loading screen and it's a hell of a lot faster now >.>
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<Pinkbeast> Hm, didn't seem to make much difference to me but I don't think it was loading 85 parts/sec anyway
<Izaya> Why does my Mun look muddy and poorly formed, like it's melted, from orbit?
<Pinkbeast> Misbehaving visuals mod?
<Izaya> maybe
<Izaya> I'll try that one graphics setting
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<Izaya> I don't know what the game wants from me https://shadowkat.net/tmp/5140.jpg
<Izaya> Kerbin looks fine
<Pinkbeast> I'm afraid neither do I.
<Izaya> additionally, sometimes my orbits shake a little in the map view
<Izaya> it doesn't seem to actually do anything so I've been ignoring it but that's also a fun thing I've run into
<Pinkbeast> I've seen that when HyperEdit creates confusion about being landed or not, but no idea if you have the same cause.
<Izaya> Might be kOS induced then
<Izaya> I've had a spacecraft do orbital rendezvous while "landed at LaunchPad" before
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