04:15 <raptop> !mission add You visit otter space.

04:15 <LunchBot> Added mission: You visit otter space.

06:50 <XXCoder> ;mission

06:50 <LunchBot> You take a screenshot like a BOSS. Upon pressing the mission button, a pie pops out and hits you in the face.

06:50 <XXCoder> thankfully screenshot was right before I got hit

15:15 <raptop> Today in non-KSP things: https://www.gog.com/en/game/daggerfall_unity_gog_cut

17:01 <SporkWitch> ARK: Survival Evolved is also free-to-keep on Steam right now

17:02 <SporkWitch> raptop: wasn't the original daggerfall fully 2d? (I got in at Morrowind, hadn't played the earlier ones)

17:03 <raptop> One of those weird 2.5D engines

17:03 <raptop> Though with actual room over room

17:03 <SporkWitch> isometric view, you mean?

17:06 <raptop> No, first person. Compare with Doom or Marathon

17:06 <raptop> (...or I suppose the Build engine games like Duke3D, Shaddow Warrior, and Blood)

17:07 <SporkWitch> ah

17:07 <SporkWitch> and yeah, i'm familiar with Doom, Marathon, and Wolf3d :)

17:07 <SporkWitch> (played each as they were new lol)

17:10 <SporkWitch> raptop: so when you say 2.5d, you mean like Doom 2, which technically had verticality in the level design, but you still didn't have actual vertical movement or aiming, it just auto-aimed on the pitch axis?

17:11 <Pinkbeast> Er... you had vertical _movement_

17:12 <SporkWitch> Pinkbeast: not really, at least in Doom 2; some enemies could fly, yes, but the player had no jump, though you could DROP off ledges

17:12 <raptop> The player had no jump, though eg: Heretic gave you flight

17:12 <raptop> (and looking up/down IIRC)

17:12 <Pinkbeast> I know you can't jump in Doom, but you can move vertically up and down and so can monsters, so to me that's "yes, really"

17:13 <SporkWitch> yeah, heretic is the first that really got to where most would say you had vertical movement. Doom 2 was just dipping its toes in, but hell, all of those games, plus quake, were groundbreaking for their time; they were inventing it as they went

17:13 <raptop> I want to say that in the case of Doom it's that the levels were layed out in 2D with assigned floor/ceiling heights. So sort of 3D, but not fully

17:14 <SporkWitch> also, turning monsters into chickens is fun lol

17:14 <Pinkbeast> Nothing's different in Doom 2 from Doom (other than some extra annoying verticality in design, but it's the same engine)

17:14 <Pinkbeast> raptop: That's exactly right.

17:14 <raptop> Also everyone's favorite shotgun

17:14 <SporkWitch> *Doom 2. IIRC Doom 1 was polygonal world model, but fully 2d, no verticality. Doom 2 introduced vverticality to the level design

17:14 <Pinkbeast> SporkWitch: Well, you don't recall correctly.

17:15 <SporkWitch> i legitimately don't remember stairs in Doom 1, but maybe i'm blurring with Wolf3d which 100% had zero verticality

17:15 <Pinkbeast> everyone's favourite shotgun> same executable, there's just no graphics for it or anywhere to find it in Doom 1

17:15 <raptop> I'm pretty sure that blurring it with wolf3d is what's happening

17:16 <SporkWitch> well this isn't an awesome sign; recruiter is 15 minutes late for interview...

17:16 <Pinkbeast> *shurg* I don't know why you don't remember them, but they're all over the place. On anything below Ultra-violence you can go upstairs before seeing a monster.

17:18 <SporkWitch> back to space, apparently something exploded at the CCP's space launch centre

17:20 <SporkWitch> seems a good guess; two other facilities nearby used for Long March launches, which use hypergolic fuels; wouldn't be surprised if the one that blew up did the same

18:58 <SporkWitch> grrrrr, just finisheed Spinneret and there's no sequel :'(

23:27 <SporkWitch> anyone have any suggestions on why my resolution setting won't stay? hitting apply then accept, but it keeps resetting to screen native and i'm trying for 1920x1080 to improve performance...