<raptop>
!mission add You sacrifice an anode to Ferris.
<LunchBot>
Added mission: You sacrifice an anode to Ferris.
* raptop
wonders if that's an excessively convoluted pun
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<XXCoder>
;mission
<LunchBot>
You set about to start an intergalactic space war using nothing but flamethrowers. News arrives that the galactic core is exploding. All funding for your efforts is withdrawn immediately.
<XXCoder>
yeah war during end of galaxy is coming? yeah forget that
<XXCoder>
lets move 5 planets orbiting each other away
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<raptop>
!mission
<LunchBot>
During an emergency, you activate the Emergency Medical Holographic Program. You are swarmed by drones, but unfortunately they are from Google and come to consume your soul.
<raptop>
Oops, wrong holographic program
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<Mat2ch>
hah, today under the shower I thought up the best conspiracy theory ever.
<Althego>
ksp2 is late because they are trying to make it connect to star citizen?
<Mat2ch>
You all know about Dark Matter. And for many years now there have been lots of experiments and much money poured into it, but every experiment failed.
<Mat2ch>
But still scientists keep on looking and looking only in that one way.
<Mat2ch>
I say: It's aliens. 30 years ago they figured out that we are too close to understand how the universe works and could become space travelling society. And they saw us and said: Nah, they are not ready
<Mat2ch>
So they started manipulating people to think Dark Matter is true and the only answer to keep us distracted!
<Mat2ch>
;)
<packbart>
so the Trisolaran Magic Computer Atoms are already here, distorting our scientifc measurements
<Pinkbeast>
There's a Stross book which begins with space marines from the Library of Alexandria raiding an illegal orbital AI lab where someone's cooked up a simulated Earth. (This is very illegal because sooner or later it gets wiped, killing all the AI people). It turns out the physics simulation was a bit budget so their cosmology doesn't really hold together and they've had to invent something called
<Pinkbeast>
"dark matter" which of course isn't present in the real universe.
<SporkWitch>
Althego: given the number of braindead arcade kids that don't want the simulator they're being sold, can you imagine the tears that would flow if SC used KSP's orbital mechanics? lol
<SporkWitch>
(seriously, the "community" on star citizen is some pretty intense arcade kids that want solo pwnmobiles; they would not react well to something intellectually challenging lol)
<packbart>
well, almost every space game would lose a lot of their audience if they'd introduce realistic-ish orbital mechanics
<SporkWitch>
i think you underestimate just how much demand there is for it; the main issue is the misleading interest of people that want an arcade space game and flock to the shiny new space sim that sells itself on reaelism, then complain about realism (kind of like how WoW players flock to every new MMO release only to complain that it's either too much or not enough like WoW, then quit as soon as the
<SporkWitch>
trial was over, because they don't actually want an MMORPG, they want WoW)
<SporkWitch>
Rogue System was getting a LOT of attention before the solo dev got injured :'(
<packbart>
as I read the Elite forums, many players there praise its "flight model" of orbital dog-fighting jets
<Althego>
i thought of it as ww2 prop planes
<packbart>
yeah, some engines sound like that
<SporkWitch>
yeah, there's a lot of retroactive justification for spending what they did on E:D lol. Single worst flight model in gaming; even WarThunder handles better, and that game's absolute garbage even in so-called "simulation" mode
<Pinkbeast>
New Elite's the standard "Newtonian mechanics" -> "wait, these are boring because your ship is a turret" -> "some kind of bodge to make the consequences less boring". But it's fun with friends.
<SporkWitch>
all E:D ships handle like the space equivalent of semi trucks with square wheels made of gorilla glue
<packbart>
I've never gone FA-off, though
<SporkWitch>
even with it off, they handle like crap. Yaw may as well not exist, and even trying to fly it like a fighter, even the most maneuverable ships handle terribly. SC has a lot of issues (most especially the single worst community management in the industry, followed closely by a dev team with ZERO PvP or multiplayer experience, so they continually promise really unbalanced things), but in spite of
<SporkWitch>
all that, at least its ships all handle like you would expect for their roles, and they handle WELL
<Pinkbeast>
OTOH Elite does have a slight advantage in actually existing.
<Pinkbeast>
(The lack of yaw authority is intentional)
<SporkWitch>
SC's had a full, playable gameplay loop for several years now; I won't deny that it's been terribly mismanaged and progress is slow, however.
<packbart>
I have NMS on my steam wishlist, waiting for a good price. SC isn't on Steam (yet?) so I didn't try any of their free-play weeks, yet
<Pinkbeast>
Rogue System seems like a sort of cross between Frontier and that A-10 game where it takes you half an hour to turn the thing on. I'm not sure whose cup of tea _that_ is.
<Althego>
cant be actually half an hour
<Pinkbeast>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7oAUOR1dJ0 is 26 minutes although IDK how much of that is someone saying HEY GUYS IT'S LOUDVOICE520 HERE DON'T FORGET TO LIKE COMMENT AND SUBSCRIBE
<Althego>
lol
<Pinkbeast>
(Don't get me wrong, I like train driving simulators... but I don't see the appeal of sitting at the desk pressing "shovel coal" every 30 seconds for two hours before I can go anywhere :-)
<packbart>
The manual to "Super Huey" on the C64 would have me wait for minutes to "warm up" the engine and such. Did it on the first flight
<packbart>
then said "sod it" and ignored the manual ;) start engine, couple rotor, rev up and go
<Althego>
checked the video the actual startup was a few minutes
<Althego>
that is normal
<Pinkbeast>
But the appeal of that sort of all-the-buttons sim is, I think, very much because they're real-world planes or locomotives (or hypotheticals); I'm not sure who cares about having the primary engine cooler setup switch #3 on a Cobra Mk III
<Althego>
even for real aircraft you have to wait at least for the navigation system "aligment"
<Althego>
alignment
<Althego>
or rather you dont have to, but advised
<Althego>
that cockpit is quite a pro thing thhere
<SporkWitch>
Pinkbeast: DCS (Digital Combat Simulator) is the flight sim you're thinking of. It's what's generally referred to as a "study sim," as in not something you just jump into and start killing things, but something you study and actually learn how it works.
<Pinkbeast>
I know (but don't see the pertinence)
<SporkWitch>
what do you mean by that?
<Pinkbeast>
Althego: I was very impressed by the group who did a joint KSP mission - one in IVA without fancy RPM instruments, everyone else in "mission control" next door, able to see data via kRPC but not touch the controls, just talk to the pilot on voice comms
<Pinkbeast>
I'm not sure what bit of it is unclear
<SporkWitch>
Pinkbeast: you seemed uncertain of what it was called, I was answering, and explaining the appeal to the target audience
<packbart>
yeah, "all-the-buttons sims" is a genre of its own. not for me
<Althego>
hehe, one fond memory, we were testing a sim during the build and development and one morning the cockpit was completely dark, which was unusual, we started to check the variables which were causing it, and when we reached emergency ac bus, the other guy said "i got it", and reached back without looking, turned on the emergency ac bus switch on the flight engineer's panel, which was turned off the previous day by an actual instructor,
<Althego>
as if it was a real airplane
<SporkWitch>
well that's what you're SUPPOSED to do lol
<SporkWitch>
you can absolutely do scramble startups that take less time, but a proper startup, checking all systems, on the A-10C should take around 10 minutes or so, potentially a bit longer.
<SporkWitch>
The point of these types of simulators is the immersion, not just getting up and shooting stuff; there are arcade games for that
<Althego>
i am still proud that thing, it had more extensive simulation of the circuits as the full flight system
<Althego>
+of *as
<Althego>
*than
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<Mat2ch>
.oO( also funny that nobody talks about my conspiracy theory. Which makes this channel very suspicious. I wonder where the aliens would linger around ;)
<Althego>
in the governments
<packbart>
Mat2ch: there were responses. did *THEY* filter them from your IRC? :)
<packbart>
but yeah, I was paid to derail it and steer the discussion away from the topic. it's nothing personal, just business, ya know
<packbart>
the real aliens work for the FAA, trying to stop Elion Musk (another alien fugitive)
<packbart>
did you know that Musk was sentenced to hyperdeath in three galaxies?
<SporkWitch>
see, all the hate against elon is just proof that establishment can't stand to see an african american succeed :P
<Mat2ch>
packbart: you were paid? This proves that you are human somehow. And aliens know how to get humans to do their dirty work. :D
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<packbart>
well, once you've been to one of their parties in a secret underground lair, you'd understand
<SporkWitch>
y'all seriously need to watch "Inside Job" on Netflix lol. Show's absolutely hilarious. Premise is basically "all conspiracy theories are real."
<Mat2ch>
packbart: oh, it would be a shame if someone invited me, wouldn't it?
<packbart>
I might have forwarded your name to my contact in the Illuminati but I couldn't comment on it, whether I did or not
<SporkWitch>
I mean, the illuminati actually were (are?) a real thing. It's surprisingly well-documented through history. In the US Library of Congress, we even have letters written by the founders of the US referencing the Illuminati by name. https://www.loc.gov/resource/mgw2.021/?q=Illuminati&sp=182&st=text
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<SporkWitch>
Free Masons too, though I don't think anyone really doubts their existence since they don't really try to hide their existence, so much as their rituals. I've met quite a few Masons in my life, all great people.
<flayer>
mass murderers can be kind and neighborly
<Pinkbeast>
(is it not common knowledge that the original Illuminati existed?)
<packbart>
it is. and somehow they always get a bad rap
<SporkWitch>
Pinkbeast: at least in the US (all of the English-speaking world?) Illuminati is synonymous with "absolutely insane conspiracy nonsense." Any mention whatsoever is instantly regarded the same as a flat earther or someone that thinks the CIA is sending messages through their fillings
<packbart>
"Historically, the name usually refers to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on 1 May 1776 in Bavaria, today part of Germany. The society's goals were to oppose superstition, obscurantism, religious influence over public life, and abuses of state power."
<Pinkbeast>
I mean, usually when someone uses it today and isn't explicitly talking about the original group, it _is_ insane conspiracy nonsense; but I'm not sure that means that people don't know the original group existed
<SporkWitch>
IIRC it goes back further, and while what public mention there is is usually seemingly nice things like that, there was quite a bit indicating some seriously messed up stuff. Gimme a few to check my books for the relevant info
<packbart>
there always is
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<packbart>
I had a boss once who was a free mason. I would never join that club just because of their silly theatrics 'n stuff
<SporkWitch>
"From translations of period German, French, and Italian texts that survived, including from the writings of Weishaupt [original founder of the Bavarian Order of the Illuminati] and some of those closest to him, scholars have asembled a patchwork of what they believe to have been the aims of the Order: 1. The abolition of m
<SporkWitch>
monarchy and all ordered government; 2. The abolition of private property and of inheritance; 3. The abolition of patriotism; 4. The abolition of the family (i.e. of marriage and all morality, and the institution of the communal education of children; and 5. The abolition of all religion"
<SporkWitch>
this is from Matthew Lohmeier's "Irresistible Revolution: Marxism's Goal of Conquest & the Unmaking of the American Military." I'm used to APA-style citations, so bear with me, I'm trying to figure out how to track down his original cited source for the excerpt above.
<packbart>
don't worry, I believe you anyawy :)
<SporkWitch>
If I'm understanding the rules correctly, the original source would be Immanuel Kant, quoted in Melanson, "Perfectibilists," page 175. Definitely seeing why APA doesn't allow this at all, and even the Chicago guide (which uses this format) discourages it in current revisions lol
<Althego>
bird arriving
<SporkWitch>
is that the word? :P
<Althego>
not surfing bird
<Althego>
kikkerikii
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<Kalpa>
Althego: Paraplyy.
<Althego>
whatever that is
<Kalpa>
How should I know
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