<funkenstein>
the best part is this is from a childhood cartoon
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<funkenstein>
;mission add Jeb's spray-paint powered EVA pack leads to some questionable markings on the exterior of your vessel.
<LunchBot>
Added mission: Jeb's spray-paint powered EVA pack leads to some questionable markings on the exterior of your vessel.
<XXCoder>
;mission
<LunchBot>
You switch your grid fins from rectangular to polar coordinates. Quantum Gravity glances sharply in your direction and demands to know what you think you are doing.
<XXCoder>
yeah, thats dangerous. even physics got concerned
<funkenstein>
;mission
<LunchBot>
You confuse brachistochrone and brachiosaur trajectories. The Great Will Of The Macrocosm reverts the mission to launchpad.
<funkenstein>
AND RIGHTLY So
<FLHerne>
;stupid add You settle the question of "best space YouTube personality" with a build-and-pilot-your-own-rocket competition.
<LunchBot>
Added stupid quote: You settle the question of "best space YouTube personality" with a build-and-pilot-your-own-rocket competition.
<FLHerne>
bleh
<XXCoder>
;stupid
<LunchBot>
Russia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs tweeted: "It is of particular worry that all the bodies of the people whose images have been published by the Kiev regime are not stiffened after at least four days."
<XXCoder>
huh ok
<FLHerne>
switched the one I just added to ;mission, obviously
<FLHerne>
hm, that's an unusually grim ;stupid
<FLHerne>
;stupid
<LunchBot>
"It is estimated that the structure above the lap joint rose by some 0.75 m. This structure, with its associated burden, was estimated to weigh around 5000 tonnes."
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<funkenstein>
;grim
<funkenstein>
lo,l.
<FLHerne>
LunchBot is in a bad mood today, it seems
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<FLHerne>
doh
<XXCoder>
;nextyear
<LunchBot>
2023
<XXCoder>
very helpful
<Izaya>
;nextpinecone
<LunchBot>
Orbbfrggg PN2 | New Year pinecone boogaloo - NET 2022-01-01T00:14:00Z
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<funkenstein>
;mission add Your dentist screws you over and you are set to lose all of your teeth by 25.
<LunchBot>
Added mission: Your dentist screws you over and you are set to lose all of your teeth by 25.
<funkenstein>
;mission
<LunchBot>
You decide to bring a 90 Kerbal base to Laythe. Fire the stellar buckshot.
<funkenstein>
;mission
<LunchBot>
You install the Turbopump of Vecna in your rocket engines. You hear a brief discussion about Pink Floyd on the comm.
<funkenstein>
;mission
<LunchBot>
You replace every part of your spacecraft with aerogel, because aerogel is always better. Things go from bad to worse.
<sandbox>
some of us are well over 25
<sandbox>
you can tell where the queen's hearse is by all the helicopters
<Pinkbeast>
Huh, I thought they'd move it surface not just yeet it to London
<sandbox>
it's coming here to Edinburgh first
<Pinkbeast>
And then they're going to yeet it to London?
<SporkWitch>
Pinkbeast: helicopters are likely overwatch in case someone tries something, not what she's being carried on
<SporkWitch>
given the number of people CELEBRATING the death of "the evil colonizer," it's a valid concern
<sandbox>
one of them is probably just media
<SporkWitch>
not necessarily; usually things like this will see temporary flight restrictions put in place so only military and law enforcement are allowed in the airspace
<umaxtu>
how many places did britain colonize during her reign?
<sandbox>
I'll bet they show footage of them crossing the bridge over the Forth
<Pinkbeast>
umaxtu: We'd mostly given up on that and were just destroying all the records
<SporkWitch>
umaxtu: i think the only place a claim could even be made about would be Israel, since the agreement / treaty that created it was signed by the UK. Even then, it gets fuzzy. In theory, the monarch is the head of state in the UK, starts and ends their political sessions, etc., but it's largely symbolic. The royal family stays explicitly apolitical and leaves the government to run under the
<SporkWitch>
representative democratic system they have in place.
<Pinkbeast>
I think the Mau Mau rebellion is the biggest Elizabeth-era atrocity but that wasn't per se colonising anywhere, just shedding an ocean of blood before letting it go
<sandbox>
no politics here remember
<Pinkbeast>
... also I think I might be slightly entirely , yeah, that
<SporkWitch>
fact is, during her 70 year rule, she conducted herself with poise and did nothing that inspired anything but respect around the world. The only ones attacking her now are the ones that attack EVERYTHING about western culture and society.
<sandbox>
sadly true
<sandbox>
I can hear the helicopters now
<heinz9>
which is the formula telling us, what the speed or speed-up of a rocket has to be, for being able to leave earth?
<Pinkbeast>
(albeit that's with no atmospheric drag, but once you've got an atmosphere it's very much about ascent profile and acceleration and not just a matter of being yeeted off the surface at 8 km/sec)
<heinz9>
is there information about the idea to start rockets into the earth from the orbit of weather ballons from about 10 till 40 kilometers of height?
<heinz9>
I calculated, hopefully not wrong, that you can save 3 to 10 % of earth gravitation speed-up
<heinz9>
instead 9.81 it could be 6% less
<SporkWitch>
assuming your maths are right, you still have to account for the size of the balloon required to carry the payload (including engines and fuel) to the launch altitude, plus the complication of keeping the fuel cooled during that SLOW ascent. I suspect it's sufficiently impractical that it's just cheaper and easier to launch from the surface.
<SporkWitch>
Such an ascent would also result in a far less stable launch platform, and a great degree of precision is required for most stuff, since they need very precise orbits, hence launch windows measured in minutes
<heinz9>
SporkWitch, just let me phantasize and caclulate
<heinz9>
I think it would not make sense
<SporkWitch>
don't ask questions if you don't want the answers lol
<heinz9>
but I just want to calcualte its advantages
<heinz9>
SporkWitch, I like your answers
<heinz9>
so I ask the quesation, what the advantage is, having 6% less gravitation for a rocket and a 10.000 km shorter path into space
<heinz9>
what does this imply for rockets
<heinz9>
could you simulate this with KSP?
<SporkWitch>
to a degree. kerbaloons adds inflatable baloons you can use. You'd likely also want to use something like KSPI or Near Future Propulsion to introduce cryogenic fuels that require power to keep cold or they boil off
<heinz9>
I know or I guess, that my approach would never become reality, but I'ld like just to look at its advantages
<heinz9>
I was guessing that the disadvantages are much greater
<heinz9>
is there anywhere a rocket calucaltor
<heinz9>
it probably would only save very few fuel for the rocket, but the amount would interest me
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<FLHerne>
heinz9: it saves very little delta-v, almost all of that is for going sideways
<FLHerne>
biggest advantage is probably that you can optimise your engine bells for a much lower pressure than sea level, and get better Isp
<darsie>
10.000 km = 10 km?
<darsie>
Tiny rockets have more drag, so for them it would benefit more.
<darsie>
more drag/mass or so
<FLHerne>
also you can do it with a feasibly-sized balloon :p
<darsie>
:)
<darsie>
You can use many feasibly sized balloons :)
<FLHerne>
lifting something F9 class would need about ten Zeppelins
<FLHerne>
at sea level
<darsie>
I thought of a coilgun on balloons.
<FLHerne>
to reach the upper atmosphere you'd need a lot more
<darsie>
Aluminized mylar balloons.
<FLHerne>
I did account for better balloons ;-)
<FLHerne>
in terms of the actual payload capacity of a 1930s Zeppelin you'd need 50+
<darsie>
speedevil said a 10 kg rocket might make orbit.
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<SporkWitch>
parallax 2.0 seems to be making waves; basically every KSP streamer has done a video i nthe last couple days lol
<SporkWitch>
i'm holding off. I get my first paycheck this friday, should be enough for me to pay all my bills and buy a new GPU, want to take break it in with KSP :)
<packbart>
I need some lights to illuminate the solar panels in the dark :) they are a navigation hazard approaching the station
<SporkWitch>
what's kerbalism do? is that a life support mod?
<packbart>
yeah, and more. it puts its patches into all the things. it's got life support, radiation belts (and CMEs), science takes time to take and transmit and some more stuff
<SporkWitch>
interesting. I may have to revisit my mods. I've been using USI Life Support, since it's relatively simple, but still something to manage, and it integrates (obviously) with MKS
<packbart>
I usually get frustrated by some of its limitations when running a larger save and time-warping and go back to stock or TacLS or Snacks. I might keep the science-only mode, though
<SporkWitch>
why haven't you deployed the habitation rings?
<SporkWitch>
or do those ones not deploy?
<packbart>
the ring thingies are tanks :)
<SporkWitch>
ah
<packbart>
carbon dioxide, nitrogen, oxygen, hydrogen and a very large water tank at one end
<packbart>
(not the best choice for CoM but it's also a very good shield against coronal mass ejections)
<SporkWitch>
out of curiosity, does the water tank help protect from radiation?
<SporkWitch>
and you just answered that lol
<packbart>
if the crew has enough time to point it towards the sun before the CME arrives. I think Kerbalism gives a few minutes warning there
<SporkWitch>
why not use persistent rotation and lock it facing the sun?
<packbart>
I only experienced those once or twice
<SporkWitch>
i do that on my station to keep the solar panels positioned ideally
<packbart>
hm. maybe. I usually use SAS to "Normal", so the solar panels always have good alignment
<packbart>
but I could point the large bulb towards the sun, too
<SporkWitch>
that'd keep you protected as well as keep the panels in an orientation that lets them rotate for max exposure
<SporkWitch>
i'm REALLY hoping a new GPU gets my framerates up, it's going to be really frustrating if the single-thread-per-vessel thing is the real reason for my performance issues, not rendering
<packbart>
for scale: the greenhouses are 5m parts
<packbart>
Nertea added some 5m station parts, so I just had to try them out
<SporkWitch>
nice
<SporkWitch>
i find stations really annoying to get looking nice. too easy to end up with just a giant tube or collection of crosses
<SporkWitch>
also, your navigation lights are wrong :P
<packbart>
it's the back of the station :P
<packbart>
there's a 2.5m docking port on the front. I started out building only the greenhouse part to a larger station, then built it into its own little tube thing
<packbart>
the station parts do have angle connectors for 30°, 45°
<SporkWitch>
from what I can find, the closest to a standard for spacecraft is used by Cygnus, using the standard red-port green-starboard, and adding two white on the dorsal side, one yellow on the ventral. Looks like it omits the standard white on the rear, but that makes some sense since the engine bell would occlude most of the rest of the craft.
<SporkWitch>
nm, looking at it, there's plenty of space to put rear navigation lights on it... guess they just don't bother since as a rule you don't "accidentally" come across another vehicle in space heh
<SporkWitch>
the "ninja base" one reminds me of how the aliens in The Forever War are described lol
<Izaya>
I'm pretty sure there's something on atomic rockets about navigation lights for rockets
<Izaya>
more for fiction than stuff that's in actual use, though
<SporkWitch>
well other than missions to the ISS, we dont' do a lot of rendesvous IRL; it's more of a concern in KSP because we do a lot more rendesvous
<packbart>
I was maybe going to put blinking yellow lights on the ends. "wrong face"
<SporkWitch>
as a rule, you want different colours for each side of the vessel, since the purpose is allowing you to know the orientation of the vessel if the only thing you can see are the lights
<Izaya>
slap a good old "WRONG WAY, GO BACK" sign on it
<packbart>
SporkWitch: I really only want to *not* crash through the solar panels (they are long and dark). so I might just put spotlights to shine over the station
<SporkWitch>
hence the red-port, green-starboard, white-rear convention. In space you'd want to add dorsal and ventral lights, since you need to know the rotational orientation as well (in aircraft, you know you're facing the rear because you see red on the left and you see the white; if you were facing the front, the red would be on your right, but in space it could be "upside down" compared to you, hence
<SporkWitch>
i usually do spotlights so i can see the station better and appreciate the view, yeah.
<darsie>
[4K] Watch Firefly's Second Orbital Launch Attempt Of Their Alpha Rocket!
<SporkWitch>
I do like to do proper navigation lights for actual craft, though.
<SporkWitch>
stations just seem to make more sense to use spotlights, since they don't move around and they have more irregular and unpredictable shapes, so just being able to see the actual structure is more important. with a mobile craft, you tend to have a fair bit of symmetry and so traditional navigation lights work fine
<packbart>
yeah, I just slapped them on there as a gimmic. I was testing how the dome lights illuminate the area (and then turned off the emission for the nav lights)
<Izaya>
concept: glowy neon signs for stations, for marking docking ports
<darsie>
Neon glows orange.
<raptop>
Neon styled, but really LED?
<packbart>
holographic arrows. all the cool station in movies have them
<packbart>
ooh, Jake. I saw him using Kerbalism, so I thought I'd give it another try