06:12 <heinz9> What would you need to send electromagnatic signals to mars or jupiter?

06:12 <heinz9> and to recieve

06:12 <heinz9> what devices and how expansive are they and where do you get them from

06:13 <packbart> depends on the quality of your math and signal requirements

06:15 <heinz9> just tell all

06:15 <heinz9> thx

06:16 <Althego> supposedly you can receive the emissions of jupiter with realtively simple equipment

06:17 <Althego> but doing actual two way comms to even mars doesnt sound simple to me

06:17 <packbart> and even a flashlight at night can send signals to Mars - they'd probably be too weak to detect there, though

06:19 <SporkWitch> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-sideband_modulation read. picking SOMETHING up, vs actually being able to send information and discern it on the other end are very different things

06:19 <heinz9> would a tv satalite reciever be sufficiant to recieve signals from mars or jupiter?

06:20 <SporkWitch> sure, but again, picking up a signal is different from translating a message

06:20 <heinz9> this round thing to recieve signals from satalites?

06:21 <packbart> just increase power at the transmitter ;)

06:22 <SporkWitch> that's why terrible stratospheric echoes would trigger SETI sites, they have patterns that indicate intelligent origin, but are garbled enough to not be usable (and thus, what'sthe difference between a pattern and a language that has literally nothing in common with ANY language anyone knows?)

06:22 <heinz9> if I want to isolate the source to a very specific one? is it just about direction antenna?

06:23 <packbart> again, it depends on both ends. what signal are you looking for and who's sending it and how?

06:23 <SporkWitch> ever used one? how directional is it? now do some geometry about how signals bounce and how the angles it hits are wider on the other side lol

06:24 <heinz9> packbart, just tell me the answers of all possibilities

06:24 <SporkWitch> bah, annoying myself, because i'm too tired to explain properly, but it's real stuff heh

06:24 <SporkWitch> g'night all, and sorry

06:25 <heinz9> there might be an alien space ship at jupiter

06:25 <heinz9> that is why I am asking

06:25 <packbart> hm. are the kitties here already and mucking with Jupiter's atmosphere?

06:26 <heinz9> packbart, so you speak about bahai?

06:26 <heinz9> I think they are more dog and wolf and fox like

06:27 <packbart> no, I was talking about the Maxolhx

06:27 <heinz9> but this is just a guess

06:27 <packbart> https://expeditionary-force-by-craig-alanson.fandom.com/wiki/Maxolhx

06:29 <heinz9> packbart, that could equal the bahai

06:31 <packbart> Craig Alanson knows his aliens

06:33 <packbart> anyway, if you don't know what the signal is, you're not going to find it. I'd not expect to detect undirected emissions from a ship at Jupiter with a small satellite dish under Earth's atmosphere

06:33 <packbart> call your local radio telescope operator and ask if they've noticed anything odd. the probably do, dozens of times per night

06:33 <Althego> hehe

06:35 <heinz9> packbart, Idk who I need to call

06:35 <heinz9> if there might be any

06:38 <heinz9> and if it so simple to call them or write email and if they would actually answer

06:39 <Althego> the time of large instruments is not cheap. they wouldnt just listen to jupiter because you want them to

06:40 <packbart> tbh, I wouldn't expect an answer. they probably get questions like "Is there a UFO out at Jupiter" too often

06:41 <packbart> we have an observatory in the city, run by the university. I've never been there, though

06:43 <packbart> hm. we took some photos of Jupiter and its moons at the Makerspace, recently. looked normal

06:43 <packbart> modern technology. with a digital camera and a stubby tele-lens, you can shoot Jupiter's moons from the hip

06:44 <packbart> (well, the lens is pretty old technology, I guess :)

06:50 <heinz9> is there any source describing how communication with aliens might be

06:54 <Izaya> lots of science fiction

06:54 <Izaya> fair few papers in relation to SETI too

06:55 <Izaya> but given we haven't found any yet...

06:56 <heinz9> Izaya, or they do not tell us

06:56 <heinz9> why would they tell us

06:56 <heinz9> they would keep everything secret

06:57 <heinz9> I even doubt SETI would tell us when they find aliens. they would keep everything secret, even from the money givers

06:57 <Izaya> sort of an academic question

06:57 <Izaya> if there's no info there's no info

07:00 <Izaya> funny guy

07:16 <packbart> ah, good times, trawlling the UFOlogist newsgroups on Usenet

11:37 <Althego> (local) leet time

11:40 <darsie> .

15:22 <Althego> kikkerikii

16:13 <Kalpa> Oh no.

16:15 <raptop> Kalpa Fried Phoenix?

16:15 <Kalpa> KFP?

16:19 <raptop> KFP!

16:56 <SporkWitch> Kentucky Fried Penguin?

17:01 <raptop> Anyway, in the context of what Althego was saying, Kiera Fried Phoenix, which is just a restaurant chain and definitely not a cult

17:01 <raptop> v-tuber nonsense

17:01 <SporkWitch> ah

20:03 <darsie> I'ma plant a flag on the Mun my way.

20:16 <raptop> yay

20:16 <raptop> !mission

20:16 <LunchBot> You do not read the EULA. Bob shows you how well he can play Wonderwall on guitar.

20:34 <darsie> OTOH it doesn't turn out as imagined, which is landing with Oscar B, Ant, command seat, RW, plant flag, jetpack to orbit, refuel jetpack at the capsule, jetpack to Kerbin, refuel jetpack, jetpack deorbit.

20:36 <darsie> Because the Oscar B/Ant has much more dv than anticipated, so I could go down, up and back with that.