00:00 <XXCoder> ;mission

00:00 <LunchBot> You build a zero-g simulation plane and try to fly it. KSP in a nutshell.

00:00 <XXCoder> yep

01:55 <Guest37451> KSP 2 is gonna be real cook

01:59 <raptop> ...

02:36 <XXCoder> is ksp 2 being cooked at all?

02:38 <funkenstein> ;mission

02:38 <LunchBot> You set out on your mission with nefarious porpoises in mind. Defying the billion to one odds, your ship manages to hit a previously unseen asteroid.

02:38 <XXCoder> evil averted!

02:38 <XXCoder> ;mission

02:38 <LunchBot> B787_300 yet again loses his @ in a netsplit. Guest61064 has declared you Sus Baka.

02:38 <XXCoder> losing @ is sus

02:39 <SporkWitch> speaking of porpoises, ever read the book Spinnerette? One of the races are totally aquatic and the difficulties that poses them for spaceflight are explored briefly. was a really nice touch

02:41 <SporkWitch> *Spinneret

02:41 <SporkWitch> https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/spinneret-timothy-zahn/1000218293

02:42 <XXCoder> https://www.librarything.com/work/18971

03:10 <SporkWitch> why does mechjeb keep detaching my SRBs immediately instead of lighting them...

03:11 <SporkWitch> hmmm, manual launch bugs out too... must have screwed something up...

04:06 <funkenstein> ;mission

04:06 <LunchBot> You experiment with mixed vegetable rocket staging. Your final moments are shown on Kerbin's Funniest Home Videos. You come in second.

04:11 <SporkWitch> i've come to the conclusion that mechjeb's "launch to rendesvous" function simply doesn't work. it wants to launch me into a weird retrograde orbit and keeps screwing up staging...

04:45 <funkenstein> it also doesn't land you reliably at all

04:45 <SporkWitch> i've found the landing works fine on minmus, at least

04:46 <funkenstein> in my experience it thinks the ground is 20 meters below where it actually is

04:46 <funkenstein> that, or it ignores staging, landing legs, and fuel entirely

04:46 <funkenstein> ;lunch

04:46 <LunchBot> Cheddar and onion quiche.

04:47 <SporkWitch> i gave up on the launch-to-rendesvous stuff, though. Just launch to a regular 100km orbit and then use the maneuver planner to calculate the transfer burn (unlike astrogator, MJ does a combined prograde + inclination change burn for maximum efficiency, just gotta do a tiny burn right after to adjust the periapsis at the destination)

04:48 <SporkWitch> the staging stuff is definitely flaky, as to fuel, yeah, it doesn't calculate it, it just burns according to the landing regime it's programmed with. Not the most efficient compared to a suicide burn, but i'm finding it sufficiently accurate for landing near existing stuff, making it perfect for landing base additions

04:50 <SporkWitch> I'm about to start construction on my minmus base. Currently scouting resources. Will likely do the main base on the Greater Flats just for ease and convenience, then set up some transport routes to the other biomes. I've still yet to come up with a decent rover, though. That low gravity is so convenient for most stuff, but a nightmare for rovers. Though I guess it would probably be fine if I

04:50 <SporkWitch> just let bon voyage handle moving them around...

04:52 <SporkWitch> i hope they release a video on the construction mechanics in KSP2 soon. I'm really hopeful that they make it kind of like an open-world VAB or city builder, then have kerbals go do the construction for you. It'd be a nightmare otherwise and they really need to make it easy to put things together once the resources and personnel are there. That's the fun part, not fighting to maneuver things

04:52 <SporkWitch> into position.

04:54 <SporkWitch> o/

08:30 <packbart> and if you don't pay the Kerbals enough Monoprop, they'll go on strike and not build any more ships

08:39 <darsie> I wonder how much rocket fuel Copenhagen Suborbitals drank :).

17:00 <raptop> Is Stasis any good?

17:01 <raptop> (currently free on GOG)

17:12 <Mat2ch> well, it is free...

17:13 <SnoopJ> > Death - John can (and will) die in the most horrific ways imaginable

17:13 <SnoopJ> c-cool

17:14 <Mat2ch> raptop: and I got scammed into it. You can click on this and automatically get it, if you are logged in: https://www.gog.com/giveaway/claim

17:15 <Mat2ch> I clicked and just got it, without knowing, what I'd get. :D

17:15 <raptop> heh

17:22 <Althego> i played statis, it was ok

18:06 <SporkWitch> funkenstein: so playing around with the landing autopilot more, the trick seems to be that it's not very good at figuring out the plane change if you're far off from where you want to land. if you adjust your orbit so that you're reasonably close to the target, it consistently lands me very close to the spot I mark

19:56 <raptop> . o O (Booster-percent speedrun)

20:52 <FLHerne> wow, I forgot just how ugly early KSP was

20:53 <FLHerne> I mean, the current graphics are hardly high-fidelity, but there aren't blatantly obvious tiling patterns on every landscape texture

20:53 <SporkWitch> yeah, watching early shots is pretty jarring, even more so if you run graphics mods normally lol

20:54 <SporkWitch> the VAB interface, too; only 5 tabs? lol

20:55 <raptop> Remember the Mk 1 pod with a delorian hubcap base?

20:56 <sandbox> who could forget

20:59 <sandbox> I wish they didn't add all that extra stuff on the ramp

21:05 <Pinkbeast> I don't miss stock wheels being kind of janky oh no wait

21:05 <SporkWitch> hehe

21:06 <FLHerne> hey, they're better than in 1.0 or whatever it was

21:06 <FLHerne> 1.2?

21:06 <FLHerne> the one where every wheeled vehicle invariably exploded

21:06 <SporkWitch> even modded. was making yet another attempt at a minmus rover the other day, tried using tracks from one of the mods i have since they're usually more reliable than regular wheels, the track broke itself after driving 5 metres lol

21:08 <SporkWitch> apparently there's an upgrade for ion engines (in KSPI) that let's them work without reaction mass, if I could figure out which upgrade unlocks that, I could use the repulsors instead. it's critical that it use no reaction mass, though, so that the planetsdie transit routes are cost-free.

21:09 <SporkWitch> hmmm... that's something I hope KSP2 has: building out rail infrastructure. I know they said explicitly that most resource production and transport will be backgrounded once it's set up, similar to KSPI / MKS, but it would be cool to build out maglev trains between outposts to ferry goods and kerbals between them

21:27 <Pinkbeast> Also remember the game without multiple-body mechanics, 1EC == 1kJ...

22:57 <SporkWitch> yeesh, i never really looked before, but holy crap the mun has a lot of biomes lol

23:12 <funkenstein> sporkwitch I do so, I generally only put it on during the last 300m

23:13 <SporkWitch> what i've been doing and getting consistent results is adjusting my inclination myself so that the next orbit passes over where i want to land, then I hit mj and it skips the plane change burn. deorbit, decelleration, braking, and final burns all work fine and get me right where i want. It's the plane change one that sometimes does weird things (on one, i aimed for the poles and it put me on the

23:14 <SporkWitch> OPPOSITE side of the equator lol)

23:14 <SporkWitch> ... oopsy... TFW you enter the number of meters you wanted, but it was actually asking for km... lol

23:15 <funkenstein> lolol

23:15 <SporkWitch> mun, enough ΔV to get to dres? same difference...

23:15 <funkenstein> I still haven't figured out what's up with ckan\

23:15 <funkenstein> lol

23:16 <funkenstein> you'll just be very confident on the way back (should there be such a trip)

23:16 <SporkWitch> what do you mean? ckan's working fine here

23:16 <funkenstein> yeah I think it's fthis pc or sometyhing

23:16 <SporkWitch> i have no problem save-scumming; the kraken discourages anything else lol

23:20 <SporkWitch> so i had fun this morning. got a random call from a nonsense phone number, delay in the audio connecting, then when it does, i hear background voices and a heavy indian accent, so i opened with "so what scam company do you work for?" dude instantly gets indignant, refuses to say what company he works for (repeated "what company do you work for" not "which SCAM company"), and then hung up a

23:20 <SporkWitch> minute or so later. Then it occurred to me "oh poop, i start a new job in a week, what if it was legit..." So i called the number back and it goes to some intercept error, so I think i'm just my usual paranoid self lol