<umbralraptor>
sandbox: launch commentary will begin after tanking commentary
<Althego>
sandbox: sls launch
<Mat2ch>
How far was it delayed?
<Fluburtur>
so about that artemis launch
<Fluburtur>
the youtube countdown looks like it was pushed back a bit
<Fluburtur>
but im still hoping for fireworks
<Althego>
i doubt it is going to happen today
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<umbralraptor>
...and scrubbed
<Althego>
yes
<Mat2ch>
scrrub
<Althego>
over there at ##space, invention: klingon space program :)
<packbart>
well, at least there won't be any tedious rescue missions
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<Raptop>
!mission add You look for ways to spice up tedious rescue missions.
<LunchBot>
Added mission: You look for ways to spice up tedious rescue missions.
<Raptop>
!mission add You spice up you mission with Sriracha and Tabasco sauce.
<LunchBot>
Added mission: You spice up you mission with Sriracha and Tabasco sauce.
<SporkWitch>
;mission fixup s/you/your/
<LunchBot>
New text is: You spice up your mission with Sriracha and Tabasco sauce.
<SporkWitch>
now i want some scrambled eggs with sriracha....
<SporkWitch>
spicy scrambled eggs = best scrambled eggs
<Althego>
spicy scrambled radio transmissions
<SporkWitch>
... wtf were the apple guys smoking when they thought "i know, let's have a weird cut-out descend into the monitor for the camera" on a LAPTOP?! lol
<Althego>
hehe
<SporkWitch>
oh, right, it's Apple, they were all smoking weed, and sometimes crack...
<Althego>
nobody likes nothes
<Althego>
notches
<Althego>
btw for years there was this rumor for the under screen cameras
<Althego>
and they are still not here
<SporkWitch>
i can tolerate it on a phone, because i get the very serious physical space compromises involved, but a notch on a LAPTOP? it's a 16" macbook pro, what does this thing cost? 3000 USD? make the lid 1cm longer and don't put a bloody notch into the display itself
<Althego>
if you bought a mac, you are in the cult anyway
<SporkWitch>
company laptop
<Althego>
you will buy anything for any amount
<SporkWitch>
they asked what i wanted and my response is always going to be "not windows," so i get to learn MacOS lol
<SporkWitch>
i expect to spend a lot of time in the terminal or running linux in parallels lol
<SporkWitch>
... dammit steve jobs, you hold fn to access things at the TOP of the key, not the bottom! (was trying to fix the brightness; apparently you have to hold the function key to access the F-keys, not the non-standard special FUNCTIONS on those keys lol)
<Izaya>
why would you ever want to use the F-keys?
<Izaya>
what POSSIBLE USE would you have for F-keys? F1? F2? Who needs em?
<Althego>
lot of laptops are like that
<Althego>
combines with fn key at the corner, where control should be
<Izaya>
I have a tablet with that setup - it doesn't even show the F-key labels on that row - but the default keymap under Linux has them swapped so it's sane to use
<SporkWitch>
i've literally never encountered one that has a distinct key for F-keys and requires holding a modifer to use them as F-keys. I have seen some non-full keyboard layouts that put the F-keys on the number row and require holding fn to access them.
<Izaya>
What do you mean that F-keys are an important part of the CUA?
<Althego>
they are important for me
<Althego>
without f keys the keyboard is useless
<SporkWitch>
regardless, we're talking about half a century of basic standards and conventions. If you wanna toss that then we should toss qwerty too and switch to dvorak.
<Althego>
other thing is the missing insert on full keyboards
<Izaya>
I'm pretty sure there's an option in the OS X settings for that
<Althego>
and the rotated 2x3 group
<Althego>
why would somebody come up with such monstrosities
<SporkWitch>
rotated 2x3 group?
<Althego>
even the ones where there is power and such there and the normal keys are shifted
<Althego>
not 3 wide and 2 high, but 2 wide and 3 high
<Izaya>
I had a HP laptop with the 2x3 group as a 1x6 line down one side of the keyboard
<Izaya>
I didn't hate that, but it was an adjustment
<Althego>
that is a laptop
<Althego>
but on a fukll keyboard
<Althego>
because then home and end are left to right, thanks i hate it
<SporkWitch>
ah, that group
<Althego>
i get it, they want to sell something insteresting
<SporkWitch>
yeah, that's silly as hell lol
<Althego>
no need to innovate the keyboard layouy
<Althego>
in fact, you cant
<Althego>
that is why we are stuck with a silly typewriter layout
<Izaya>
if you're going to change it go full retard, do something NEW
<Althego>
they could innovate the switches, latency, power consumption, led lighting, i dont care
<Althego>
in fact tehy should
<Izaya>
I liked the steam controller pinwheel keyboard
<SporkWitch>
my last vaio really drove me nuts. it advertised as a full-size keyboard but i didn't look closely enough at the images. it's not. oh, it has all 104 keys, sure, but the numpad, 2x3 group, and arrow keys are compressed, and the numpad 0 is half size with the right arrow where the left half of it would be. as someone that touchtypes the number pad, it really messed with me
<Althego>
yes, if you change it, at lerast optimize it
<Althego>
another idiocy: american enter looks like a shift. european enter is shorter but two rows high
<Althego>
why?
<SporkWitch>
you CAN innovate on keyboard layout, it's called dvorak. The reason we use the typewriter layout is no one old enough to have a say is willing to sacrifice their typing speed temporarily to learn it, and thus make the change necessary to raise a new generation on the superior layout lol
<Althego>
if i try to use an american enter i always hit between the enter and the backslash, adding additional \ before newlines
<SporkWitch>
re: enter, that varies. I remember the DEC machines i had in the past, and I think my C64 as well, had the vertical enter keys
<Izaya>
this conversation has given me a great idea for what to do with the alt layout of my touchscreen keyboard
<Izaya>
gonna have the right half be a numpad, the left half contain F1-F12 (maybe to F24?), XF86LaunchN, media and volume control keys...
<Izaya>
plus the 2x3 group
<SporkWitch>
heck, part of my setup today is going to be remappying command, option, and control to align with linux/windows conventions; i'm fine learning a new OS, not nearly 40 years of muscle memory on key shortcuts lol
<Izaya>
ngl I kinda like the OS X style setup for it
<Izaya>
especially copy and paste
<Althego>
yes that command thing is also silly
<Izaya>
no more "is it ^c, ^C, or ^ins to copy?"
<SporkWitch>
i don't, just on layout alone. command is an awkward key to hit, and the standard combos like C^A, C^C, C^V, etc. are all command instead of control on map
<SporkWitch>
s/map/mac
<Izaya>
concept: ctrl replaces caps lock, mod4 goes into the corner
<SporkWitch>
i remap caps lock to compose
<SporkWitch>
compose key = win
<SporkWitch>
(as in winning, not windows key :P)
<Izaya>
compose goes on either right hand mod4 or XF86Launch1
<Izaya>
for me
<SporkWitch>
bah, trying to set up 2FA as required and it doesn't like my yubikey. i'll have to wait for the IT support bridge in an hour...
<Althego>
cant you just install linux on the mac? :)
<Izaya>
if it's one of the new ones, no :D
<Izaya>
*yes, but it's very much not 100%
<SporkWitch>
in ADDITION to macos? probably heh. i did ask my boss, when asking what laptop to select, if i was required to use the pre-installed OS and the answer was yes, heh
<SporkWitch>
m1 chips are just arm; plenty of distros support arm, including debian
<Izaya>
for quite a while you couldn't even boot any distro on them though
<Izaya>
something to do with the chipset and crypto coprocessor
<Althego>
in the long run apple is going the motph the chips to their liking, they will be not arm
<Izaya>
I do like that Apple is doing something other than IBM PC Compatibles though, there's a valid argument for buying them now
<SporkWitch>
true; they learned to well from Microsoft: standards are bad, only work with stuff you sell yourself
<SporkWitch>
s/to/too/
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<FLHerne>
;mission add Across the gulf of space, minds that are to our minds as ours are to those of the beasts that perish, intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic, regard Kerbin with envious eyes, and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
<LunchBot>
Added mission: Across the gulf of space, minds that are to our minds as ours are to those of the beasts that perish, intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic, regard Kerbin with envious eyes, and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
<umbralraptor>
Someone's been reading a Stross novel
<FLHerne>
...
<umbralraptor>
...?
<FLHerne>
I've been reading a novel, certainly :p
<umbralraptor>
hm
<FLHerne>
I thought that line was pretty famous
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<umbralraptor>
(after googling) Well, I guess Wells was *also* a British SF author
* umbralraptor
should read a bunch of Wells and Verne at some point
<FLHerne>
tbh, while I mostly hate Americanised movies, they did a really good job of that adaptation IMO
<FLHerne>
;stupid H. G. Wells
<LunchBot>
"I'm doing the dearest little serial for Pearson's new magazine, in which I completely wreck and sack Woking – killing my neighbours in painful and eccentric ways." -- H. G. Wells.
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<SporkWitch>
one of the trainings at the new job has timers on each page, even the quiz pages. It made me sit on the page a full minute after telling me my answer was right to "absorb the information"; obviously i absorbed it, i got the answer right! lol
<umbralraptor>
Have they considered providing an anki deck of training materials?
* umbralraptor
is joking
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