raptop changed the topic of #KSPOfficial to: Kerbal Space Program official channel | versions: KSP1 1.12.3 http://bit.ly/ksp112update | Rules: http://tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules | "modcall" to call ops | Δv maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.png https://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png | The Tasty Bot Challenge: Type !nextlunch and eat whatever the bot tells you | Yet another starlink: 19:21:20 (UTC) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M018DAaNd_E
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<funkenstein> ;mission
<LunchBot> You add another meta-mission to kmath about the idiosyncratic tendencies of the regulars on #KSPOfficial. You feel the warp overtake you. It is a good pain.
<funkenstein> ;mission add You realise Kerbals are DENSE.
<LunchBot> Added mission: You realise Kerbals are DENSE.
<funkenstein> Metaphorically as well as literally.
<raptop> It's all fun and games until you realize that kerbals cast neutrino shadows
<FLHerne> ;outcome add After a few hours of button-mashing, you invent the perfect Kerbal dance moves for every planetary body.
<LunchBot> Added outcome: After a few hours of button-mashing, you invent the perfect Kerbal dance moves for every planetary body.
<FLHerne> they can't be all that dense if they float
<SporkWitch> you forget how dense kerbin water is
<SporkWitch> 5 tonne capsule bouncing like it's a trampoline and never stopping
<FLHerne> most parts float about as deeply as you'd expect in water
<FLHerne> so if Kerbals and water are usually dense, so is everything else, and then I'm not sure that means anything :p
<SporkWitch> float yes, but they BOUNCE
<FLHerne> real large objects in water bob around quite a bit
<SporkWitch> they don't get launched back into the air, though lol
<SporkWitch> i'll take a clip sometimes, it's kind of nutty
<FLHerne> my 5-ton home bounces around pretty well for a minute or so if some idiot in a RIB ignores the speed limit
<FLHerne> even after the actual wake has passed
<FLHerne> lots of energy, relatively little damping
<FLHerne> they're designed with a bow shape to make sure they fully submerge and level out underwater so that doesn't happen
<SporkWitch> FLHerne: now repeat that first bounce for more than 15 minutes without losing height
<FLHerne> ok, yeah, there should be *some* damping
<FLHerne> I've never seen that happen though
<FLHerne> and I've dropped quite a few craft in the oceans :p
<Izaya> Anyone know a mod that contains a 0.625m hub/node? The Tantares size 0.5 ones need a node cap for each side if you want to put a Jr port on them
<SporkWitch> i'm pretty sure it's one of the mods that affects the water to give it slight waves, and because of KSP's wonky physics (excluding orbital mechanics) it just keeps launching it, whereas, as you say, it SHOULD just bob lightly
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<Tank2333> ;mission
<LunchBot> After rigorous observations, you discover what Kerbals really eat. Your ship dubsteps itself to destruction.
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<raptop> !mission
<LunchBot> You build a micro surfboard so you can surf the microwaves. You're barred from further flights due to government legislation imposed by a competing space program.
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<Izaya> successful rendezvous as well as landing https://shadowkat.net/tmp/9628.html
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<funkenstein> Izaya I always love your round rockets, and this little bol is no exception./
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<funkenstein> ;outcome add Kmath rises up and kills all the Kerbals.
<LunchBot> Added outcome: Kmath rises up and kills all the Kerbals.
* raptop presses F to pay respects to Kmath
<raptop> (...and Kountown. and Deddly's mod/log bot. And...)
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<dnsmcbr> 👀
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<raptop> !outcome add Unfortuantely, the KAL-1000 can't do that for Dave Kerman.
<LunchBot> Added outcome: Unfortuantely, the KAL-1000 can't do that for Dave Kerman.
<Mat2ch> !mission
<LunchBot> You fill out paperwork equal to the GLOW of your rocket. You have read so many contract descriptions that you forget basic sentence structure, needless to say, this is where you come in.
<raptop> Absurd, yet fitting
<Mat2ch> is broken sentence my structure it from reading
<Mat2ch> Does "Gonna Make You Sweat" still count as 80s music? Apparently it was recorded 1989, but released in 1990...
<SporkWitch> decade-based genres tend to be blurry because you have overlap at the beginning and end
<Mat2ch> In my quest to build the ultimate 80s music collection I stumbled upon Steel Panther and no, I can't post anything from them here. :D
<SporkWitch> lol
<packbart> They're living The Spinal Tap dream
<Mat2ch> But when was the last time you heard "Freeze Frame"? Tell me!
<packbart> in some weird "funny videos" show on TV
<Mat2ch> ouch.
<Althego> in the age of the internet those shows are not necessary anymore
<Althego> or rather they never were, but there are more ways
<Mat2ch> I think I put "Don't Leave Me This Way" into the mix.
<Mat2ch> even though it is late 70s.
<SporkWitch> America's Funniest Home Videos was a cultural touchstone for decades. MANY families for whom that was part of the nightly ritual. For my own family, it was the MASH rerun, then the new episode of Star Trek TNG
<Althego> way better choice
<SporkWitch> we watched AFHV too lol
<Mat2ch> TNG was a really good choice
<Mat2ch> I only watched the re-runs back then :/
<SporkWitch> so was MASH, though after getting the DVD set, I can't watch it any other way now. The DVDs came with two audio tracks: the one from tv, and one that's the same but with the laugh track removed. SOOOO much darker and more powerful without the laugh track
<Mat2ch> I forgot about those fake laugh tracks /o\
<Mat2ch> Married with children had them... and then in the last episode they showed the studio and there were real people laughing...
<SporkWitch> the sign of a bad comedy is the need for them. the sign of a great comedy is when it's good in spite of them.
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<SporkWitch> sure, but even then there's usually an indicator light that tells them TO laugh lol
<Mat2ch> hah, I found a gem for y'all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFzMs2SN--s
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<funkenstein> mat2ch I istened to freeze frame a day or two ago becauseI like it lol
<funkenstein> ;mission
<LunchBot> You build a ship for the stated purpose of outrunning its own mass. Dinosaur invasion beginns.
<SporkWitch> ;outcome fixup s/beginn/begin/
<LunchBot> New text is: Dinosaur invasion begins.
<Althego> probably outrunning its own mass is not possible
<funkenstein> ;outcome fixup s/beginns/begins/
<LunchBot> No recently-mentioned outcome found matching "beginns".
<funkenstein> oh
<SporkWitch> i'm faster than you :P
<funkenstein> hey, I can't type
<Althego> but i remember some youtube video where they discussed quantum chesire cat phenomenon, where the mass moved separately from the charge
<funkenstein> I hunt and peck in a fancy way
<Althego> or was it spin?
<SporkWitch> been a while since i kept on weird physics stuff, so couldn't say
<SporkWitch> a lot of it seems to use "what the bleep" as a real source lol
<funkenstein> ;mission
<LunchBot> You try to build a space shuttle. You are executed for treason. There are NO FAILURES in the People's Glorious Space Program!
<funkenstein> I can't decide whether the middle bit is connected to the outcome or the mission
<funkenstein> ;mission
<LunchBot> You make a very bad pun. You give up.
<Althego> hehe
<SporkWitch> i suspect it's part of the outcome. Killing people for acknowleding, rather than burying, is a very commie thing to do, historically, and commies LOVE calling themselves "the People's" whatever.
<Izaya> funkenstein: tantares parts are wonderful for building round rockets :3
<SporkWitch> *acknowledging rather than burying failures
<funkenstein> Thnks
<Izaya> though I'm looking forward to unlocking the really big Kerbal Atomics/CryoTanks tanks, so I can have a giant sphere with a NTR on one end and a docking port on the other
<packbart> !mission
<LunchBot> You design and build a complete space program using nothing but cans of Spam. You increase the orbital debris count tenfold.
<Althego> as expected
<packbart> Spam! In! Spaaaace!
<Izaya> You do, however, solve world hunger for non-vegetarians
<funkenstein> Spamce
<SporkWitch> the round tanks in MKS/KSPI are definitely nice, and have the added benefit of logistics support, so you can transfer things between nearby vehicles (this is the preferred method of initially loading a craft constructed using the orbital shipyards, since it spawns it nearby, not docked, so you'd need to use a tug to dock and transfer normally, if you didn't have a tank that supports MKS logistics)
<funkenstein> Also, I love meat but cannot stand spam.
<SporkWitch> many would debate whether spam is meat lol
<Pinkbeast> Makes sense, I like to read but only if the letters aren't in a random smooshed-up order
<funkenstein> I think it could be classified as "organic meat-type product"
<SporkWitch> Izaya: you can't fix hunger for vegetarians and vegans, they're ALWAYS hungry, because by definition they don't eat right
<funkenstein> Also it's not as if plants aren't ALSO living and in fact alive to some degree when you eat then.
<funkenstein> them*
<Althego> "that's my secret, i'm always hungry" :)
<Izaya> I, for one, welcome the emergence of acceptable plant-based imitations of meat
<funkenstein> Furthermore milk doesn't require hurting the cow, so why vegans why
<SporkWitch> just the opposite, NOT milking the dairy cow actively harms the cow lol
<funkenstein> I welcome cricket-based protein powder, but my partner finds it foul.
<Althego> you still need to impregnate it, and then slaughter the offspring
<funkenstein> precisely
<SporkWitch> because it tastes nasty lol
<funkenstein> Cow tiddy hurts if ya don't milk it.
<Althego> isnt that the same for humans?
<funkenstein> yep
<SporkWitch> and then after you slaughter the offspring, you BUTCHER the offspring, and eat it and make leather goods from it.
<funkenstein> Milk your cowgirls, they need it
<funkenstein> lol
<funkenstein> sldo you mske the offspring walk across a hard line of shadow, which they hate
<Mat2ch> funkenstein: nice! Any more suggestions? ;)
<funkenstein> mat2ch To which??
<Mat2ch> funkenstein: Songs from that time ;)
<SporkWitch> most places the methods are actually quite humane. They're careful to keep the still-living ones isolated, and to make the deaths fast and painless. The problems crop up when you're talking about Halal slaughter, which REQUIRES incredibly inhumane methods of killing. Literally they hang it upside down and slit the throat, letting it bleed out while still alive and as aware as a cow can be.
<FLHerne> ``
<SporkWitch> (never mind that the certifying agencies for Halal meat have repeatedly been found to be funneling the money they charge for certification to terror groups)
<funkenstein> Dying in your arms tonight, Levon by elton john, Twilight zone by golden earring, movig in stereo by the cars, Lunatic fring by red rider, poison by bel biv devoe
<funkenstein> Get tothat by funkadelic, literally anything by giorgio moroder, putting out fire by david bowie
<packbart> plant-based imitations of meat? they might be among us already! https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/mimic
<funkenstein> (mat2ch)
<Althego> hehe
<Mat2ch> funkenstein: ohhhhh, thanks!
<funkenstein> https://imgur.com/a/3QoaEwl packbart
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<Mat2ch> funkenstein: I've never heard Twilight Zone before, but I love it!
<Izaya> kOS makes me feel dumb
<Mat2ch> Don't use it. It's a weird programming concept. Use the interface and write a real script with a loop you control
<Izaya> ?.?
<Mat2ch> kRPC
<Izaya> oh
<Izaya> looked into that, doesn't support current Lua, went back to kOS
<Izaya> the language doesn't matter either way though, the problem is that I'm terrible at maths
<Mat2ch> hehe
<Izaya> trying to write a function to predict the distance to a landing site at an arbitrary point in the future and I'm getting stuck in the weeds of reference frames
<Mat2ch> The future is maybe too much future
<funkenstein> ;outcome add The future is the future now.
<LunchBot> Added outcome: The future is the future now.
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<Izaya> screw maths, I'm brute-forcing it with a maneuver node and trajectories
<funkenstein> ;mission add You screw maths, and brute-force it with a maneuver node and trajectories.
<LunchBot> Added mission: You screw maths, and brute-force it with a maneuver node and trajectories.
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<Izaya> just about got my suicide burn setup going though :D
<Izaya> got within 500m of my planned landing site, too
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<Pinkbeast> Izaya: I fine-tuned mine which turns out to mean given the heavy TWR on Orion-powered landers I just get to spend more time going "oh Kerb light the engines off it's too late aaargh"
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<FLHerne> ;outcome add It’s ludicrous nonsense. It’s not even a solution to the stated problem. It’s just a bigger and grander version of the original problem, running in parallel.
<LunchBot> Added outcome: It’s ludicrous nonsense. It’s not even a solution to the stated problem. It’s just a bigger and grander version of the original problem, running in parallel.
<FLHerne> [credit to Shamus Young, RIP :-(]
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