<funkenstein>
;mission add The Queen is yeeted off of the surface of the earth at 8km/s.
<LunchBot>
Added mission: The Queen is yeeted off of the surface of the earth at 8km/s.
<funkenstein>
or is that an outcome
<funkenstein>
hmm
<XXCoder>
outcome yeah
<XXCoder>
;mission
<LunchBot>
You repeatedly press the big red button. Inexplicably, this causes millions of cheese wheels to rain from the heavens while a disembodied voice laughs uproariously.
<XXCoder>
totally not me! I swear
<Izaya>
hmmm
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<Izaya>
so ISRU in KSP is mostly in the form of "dig up ore, turn straight into RP-1 and LOX"
<Izaya>
is "dig up ore, turn it into water for more dense storage, electrolyse it at a later date" an option in a mod somewhere?
<Izaya>
also like, not having it boil off
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<packbart>
probably, yes. ISRU chains can be problematic (need large enough buffers)
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<funkenstein>
;outcome add The Queen is yeeted off of the surface of the earth at 8km/s.
<LunchBot>
Added outcome: The Queen is yeeted off of the surface of the earth at 8km/s.
<funkenstein>
;mission del The Queen is yeeted off of the surface of the earth at 8km/s.
<LunchBot>
Deleted mission: "The Queen is yeeted off of the surface of the earth at 8km/s."
<funkenstein>
alright, shall I start using literally to mean figurativley because it's outdated as well?
<funkenstein>
figuratively*
<darsie>
Hmm? Someone said: "She literally broke my heart." I asked: "Did she rip it out of your chest, froze it in liquid nitrogen and broke it with a hammer?"
<Althego>
hehe
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<FLHerne>
darsie: that's pretty much happened
<FLHerne>
"Nelson froze a six-year-old boy in 1974. The capsule itself was well maintained by the boy’s father, but when it was opened, the boy’s body was found to be cracked."
<FLHerne>
I can imagine freezing tissues or even entire bodies successfully with sufficiently advanced technology
<FLHerne>
but I'm very skeptical about preserving brain state
<FLHerne>
even if you successfully preserve the hardware (neurons, connectivity etc.) you'll lose any information about electrical and chemical signalling
<Pinkbeast>
mind uploading> the Rapture for nerds?
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<darsie>
FLHerne: Yeah, there might be a few h blackout or so.
<FLHerne>
if it boots up at all
<darsie>
it does after cooling the body.
<FLHerne>
I doubt brains are designed to reinitialise from being temporarily dead
<FLHerne>
but in that case the cells are still alive and functioning
<FLHerne>
the cooling slows down the metabolism so they don't run out of oxygen and die, but most mechanisms are still active to a degree
<FLHerne>
it's not the same as being frozen
<FLHerne>
it's true that you can apparently freeze rodents and have them run around afterward though
<darsie>
We have to try.
<FLHerne>
so maybe it would work, but it's hard to tell if rodents have memory loss
<darsie>
I want to be cryopreserved in Shackleton crater or so.
<FLHerne>
Why?
<darsie>
It's cold there, passively. No maintenence needed.
<Althego>
because it is on the moon
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<darsie>
yeah :)
<darsie>
I guess we'd have to lay 10 km cable to power the excavator/bulldozer for radiation shielding.
<darsie>
Maybe drill a hole and blow up a charge to loosen some rubble.
<darsie>
There are probably small craters there which's rims can be bulldozed back in.
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<funkenstein>
if there were repeated cases of it working I'd be happy to be frozen, but otherwise I'd rather feed other lifeforms.
<Althego>
if there was an example of successful reanimation of that frozen state, in any form (includes with body, in a robot body or as a computer ai with your memories), then you wouldnt need to freeze yourself anyway
<Althego>
because it is just a way to delay
<Pinkbeast>
It's not quite clear where the line is, but I'm pretty sure a computer AI with my memories is all very well but I'd still be dead.
<darsie>
You'd just live in a different simulation.
<darsie>
Well, if you lived in VR.
<funkenstein>
a simulation...INSIDE a simuklation
<darsie>
Althego: I'm not sure but "freezing" (vitrification, actually, (turning into a glassy state), not freezing as in crystals grow and destroy information.) might be required for scanning.
<funkenstein>
eyah
<Althego>
that is possible
<Althego>
but even then it would be just for the scanning
<Althego>
and not for years
<darsie>
But we don't have hte scanning tech, yet, so freezing is needed for preservation. Allegedly the glutaraldehyde/cryoprotectant preservation is relatively resiliant at room temperature and even thawing, but I prefer freezing.
<Althego>
and anyway this is quite close to the transporter paradox
<Althego>
that the new thing is never you, the original you died
<darsie>
Transporter paradox who?
<darsie>
hmm
<darsie>
ah
<darsie>
If an AI moves to a different but equal hardware, is it a different AI?
<Althego>
possibly not, if the software can run on that
<Althego>
but we run on brain wetware
<darsie>
equal hardware
<Pinkbeast>
The trouble is we're used to thinking about this in the context of computer programs, and sure, same software on new hardware is the same for everyone who interacts with it.
<Althego>
anything else can be considered emulation
<darsie>
Yeah, it won't be perfect. There might be headache and stuff.
<Pinkbeast>
The copy of me can be me from the point of view of everyone else, and if my loved ones want to run it, go them. But I strongly suspect _I_ will still be dead.
<darsie>
My old body will turn to mystery goo.
<Althego>
and that is the transporter paradox, the original always dies
<funkenstein>
170+ Kirks agree
<darsie>
Do you know the feeling when you get new glasses? Kinda like that, roughly.
<Althego>
hehe
<Althego>
i havent gotten glasses yet, but the time is nearing
<darsie>
That's different from myopia glasses. You wear them all the time, and new ones are a little different and it feels weird.
* darsie
throws the end of a carrot out the window.
<darsie>
casually
<Pinkbeast>
... at the same time it's easy to come up with grey area arguments (what if you replace all the atoms in my body slowly? How slowly?) which are difficult to refute without spooky mind-body dualism
<Althego>
you always replace all your atoms slowly
<Althego>
you are not an object
<Althego>
you are a wave
<Pinkbeast>
Indeed - which opens the door to grey area arguments about them being replaced more quickly
<Althego>
the wave propagates, but the molecules in the water largely stay in the same position
<Althego>
you live, but the atoms are not actually you
<Pinkbeast>
I would say I am an emergent property of the atoms
<Althego>
yes, can be
<Pinkbeast>
... particularly, we are now approaching the idea that "me" is not in any way tied to this chunk of meat, but I still think I am dead in the transporter paradox
<Althego>
possibly because there is a discontinuity
<Pinkbeast>
IDK. What I'm saying is that while I _think_ emulating me doesn't do me any good, I recognise that there are weaknesses in that position and I could well be wrong
<Pinkbeast>
(I don't think that's probable _enough_ to, say, have my brain frozen on the offchance a thousand years from now someone turns the resulting grey mush into an emulation of me)
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<Althego>
"Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter." - yoda
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<sandbox>
software
<UmbralRaptop>
aaaaa?
<sandbox>
"Luminous beings" = software
<sandbox>
"crude matter" = hardware
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<Izaya>
this explains why peopole are so flaky
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<packbart>
!mission
<LunchBot>
You attempt to do the munwalk on Minmus. Francis E Dec writes an accurate summary of your exploits.
<packbart>
Stop harassing me electronically, Francis
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<SporkWitch>
Blue Origin NS-23 mission. Currently on hold, but intermittent commentary and discussion of the mission is happening on the stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqAVWvOT-1c
<SporkWitch>
i'm not sure that rocket could look more phallic if they tried... lol
<SporkWitch>
seriously, though, i have never seen a rocket more phallic outside of that one show on the TV in GTA5 that INTENTIONALLY makes it look like that... lol
<Althego>
there is the rocket in austin powers
<SporkWitch>
okay, so two, that did it on purpose lol
<packbart>
Design by Bezos
<SporkWitch>
i just can't unsee it, especially with that payload capsule that's just slightly wider than the booster lol
<Althego>
scott manley made a video on its shape, and why it looks like that
<SporkWitch>
was the answer "because bezos is overcompensating?" lol
<SporkWitch>
they're just messing with me now, with this chick emphasizing the "ass" when she says "ascent" >_< lol
<Althego>
escape system activated
<SporkWitch>
yeah, something went wrong lol
<packbart>
the ass scent of a rocket ascent if often a bit of raw
<packbart>
dang, I missed it
<SporkWitch>
separation occurred before max q lol
<SporkWitch>
gg bezos
<Althego>
also the flames were behaving strangle at the bottom just before the escape rocket kicked in
<Althego>
so there might have been an issue with the booster, not an escape system failure
<SporkWitch>
one could say there was a premature ejection... lol
<Althego>
i jokingly call these "kilövellés" instead of "kilövés", similar words, but the latter is the correct one, the former suggests some kind of liquid shooting out
<SporkWitch>
lol
<SporkWitch>
all that build-up, finished too quick, and then immediately hiding in shame ahahahah
<Althego>
hehe
<SporkWitch>
i can't help it, it's just too many things, the jokes write themselves! lol
<SporkWitch>
and then he gets pissy that his phallic substitute didn't get the HLS contract; i wonder why. Have they even made orbit? I'm only finding stuff about suborbital hops
<SporkWitch>
just rewatched the malfunction, looked like maybe a rupture at the bottom, possibly the engine bell cracking?
<Izaya>
average amazon product
<packbart>
yeah, there were two puffs first, then the rupture
<SporkWitch>
and is it just me or is that nozzle MASSIVELY underexpanded? the plume is like three times the radius of the bell, really inefficient
<packbart>
"Four years later in 2016, the escape system was successfully tested in-flight at the point of highest dynamic pressure as the vehicle reached transonic velocity." - well, it had to be recertified after all those years, anyway
<Althego>
hehe
<Althego>
how do you know that the solid booster is still working?
<Althego>
you have to light it
<SporkWitch>
set it to 0.25 speed, i think the engine bell broke; you see the plume change shape and run rich on one side before it all goes nuts