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<SporkWitch>
dude, raptop, you need a bouncer lol
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<SporkWitch>
i will host and set one up for you, just to stop all the part/join messages lol (you can have root on it, so no worries about me taking you over lol)
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<UmbralRaptop>
SporkWitch: given how this OS happening, I suspect that I also need a new phone
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<raptop>
*is
<raptop>
autocarrot strikes again, or something
<SporkWitch>
yes, but using a bouncer hosted on a STABLE machine would stop the part/join spam in the channel :P
<SporkWitch>
no joke, 90% of the traffic in this channel over the past 24 hours was your phone's join/part messages lol
<Izaya>
Been running a heavily modded game forever and besides the fact it uses near-infinite memory and some mods that abuse DX11 won't work it's been fine running natively
<Althego>
since it is c# it should be most ly the same everywhere
<SporkWitch>
on my system, at least, i've not noticed any difference in performance between native linux and Windows heavily modded, EXCEPT that certain mods have issues in linux generally (such as linuxgurugamer's docking camera mod)
<Izaya>
as far as I can tell the only thing that would make a significant difference to gameplay is that Parallax can't do scattering without DX11
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<packbart>
yeah, I saw GL released limited OpenGL support for Parallax but the shadows are all wrong
<Althego>
but isnt the future vulkan or what is its name
<Mat2ch>
We need a vulkan renderer for KSP.
<Mat2ch>
Althego: Not if Microsoft can fight it.
<Althego>
supposedly games with culkan work really well on linux
<Izaya>
I like the way that Microsoft's answer to Vulkan is literally just Mantle with the serial number filed off
<Izaya>
You're a decade behind guys, keep up.
<SporkWitch>
sounds about standard for MSFT. Embrace, extend, extinguish
<Izaya>
The upside is that DX12 is trivial* to conver to Vulkan because again, it's just the predecessor to Vulkan
<Althego>
now compare t hat to the innovative apple. now they have always on display. never mind my s7 had that 6 years ago and it peobably wasnt even the first one
<Mat2ch>
What is always on display?
<Althego>
when the phone is sleeping there is something on the siplay
<Althego>
because on oled a few pixels take almost no power
<SporkWitch>
android's had that for ages
<Mat2ch>
I'm lagging behind in my knowledge about the smartphone market, because it is a pit of doom and should be purged in a vulcano.
<Althego>
aple would sell peole the wheel and call it innovative, and its name would be iroll
<Mat2ch>
It was a great feature. I just used the clock though. But very handy
<Mat2ch>
SporkWitch: don't make fun of the keyboard. There could be a much easier and more efficient way to input stuff into a computer and we just have missed it
<Althego>
i am waiting for the brain computer interface
<Mat2ch>
That would be really neat, but would result in even worse spelling on my behalf. :D
<Althego>
hehe
<SporkWitch>
Mat2ch: sure, for example the Compose Key, which MacOS doesn't support, instead expecting you to HOLD A KEY and then select from a list of different versions of that character. As opposed to compose key where you just press one key and then press a sequence of characters to "draw" the symbol, e.g. compose → E → = for €
<SporkWitch>
that video i linked is making fun of that mindset of using LESS efficient methods in the name of usability and simplicity
<Izaya>
personally I'm mildly surprised there aren't more phone cases with a chorded keyboard built in
<Izaya>
(as in, I haven't seen any, and that's mildly surprising)
<SporkWitch>
(that one's actually really annoying me right now; at least on windows there's WinCompose to provide compose key functionality, but Mac is the only *nix i've ever encountered that doesn't support it natively
<Izaya>
wonder how compose works on wayland, IIRC it's largely implemented as part of the X server on current systems
<SporkWitch>
couldn't say; i've never encountered a stable implementation of weyland, at least with nvidia proprietary drivers.
<Althego>
but ubuntu now uses that by default
<SporkWitch>
(and if you want decent graphics performance on linux, you use an nvidia GPU with proprietary drivers)
* X
serves Izaga a v
<Althego>
unless you upgraded then it keeps the previous setting and that is probably x
<X>
Beverage
<SporkWitch>
i use kubuntu, not ubuntu, for workstations, and i've not used the 22.04 release yet
<Izaya>
nah, AMD stuff is pretty great
<Izaya>
I gather their top end cards aren't quite as good but at the $200 range the RX580 is great :3
<packbart>
I use Mint and I don't want to give up my rotating desktop cube by compiz
<Izaya>
X: thank you for the cofe
<SporkWitch>
AMD's linux drivers are so bad it makes their windows drivers look good
* Mat2ch
pets his AMD gpu.
<Mat2ch>
Don't listen to SporkWitch. You are doing fine
<Izaya>
Been living under a rock for a few years, eh?
<Izaya>
amdgpu happened, they're in the kernel, they're great
<Althego>
i encountered problems with nvidia linux drivers, and those were supsoedly good. wdidnt loko like that to me
<Izaya>
Hell, I swapped from a 980 to a 580 so I could never have to deal with NVIDIA drivers again
<Izaya>
even though the 580 isn't any faster, it just has more VRAM
<SporkWitch>
no, just not silly enough to waste money on their GPUs after the last one caused full system crashes with half the games I was playing at the time and it was a known issue with their stuff. I use their CPUs exclusively, though; they're monsters, and even when they were behind intel on top performance, they were still far better price-to-performance ratios.
* Izaya
shrugs
<Mat2ch>
I hope to be able to upgrade to an AM5 cpu next year and maybe get one of those fancy AMD GPUs with even more pooooower
<Althego>
unlimited power!
<Mat2ch>
and I'm thinking about trying a closed-loop liquid cooling system for the CPU
<Mat2ch>
Unlimited Power 3000!
<Althego>
the gpu is the one that is a space heater
<SporkWitch>
I'm expecting this Ryzen 9 to last me a good decade or so, should just need intermittent GPU upgrades, if even that after getting the RTX3080 (given how long the GTX1060 has lasted)
<Althego>
and you can now have both liquid cooled
<SporkWitch>
RAM is alread maxed at 4 sticks of 32GB
<Althego>
many cases are prepared for that
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<Izaya>
tfw maxed at 32GB
<Althego>
i think consumer am5 voards go up to 128 GB
<Izaya>
a friend offered me the RAM they were replacing and I ended up refusing because I don't have a DDR4 machine to put it in
<Mat2ch>
Althego: I want an integrated one. I don't wont to have to plan my own full liquid cooled system.
<Althego>
i am considering waiting for the vache variants, after 7 years about 4 months more does not matter
<Mat2ch>
When I'm playing a game, the game itself is usually so loud the noise from the GPU doesn't matter.
<Mat2ch>
And when I'm not the fans on it are usually off...
<Althego>
hehe
<Mat2ch>
Well, we will see what KSP2 will need in hardware. And I might plan around that ;)
<SporkWitch>
probably; this x570 does. It's why i just maxed it out; i'd originally just bought 2x32GB sticks knowing it was overkill for normal use and should be plenty for VMs, then noticed the max was 128 anyway, so just bought another pair of the same so it's all identical and just not worry about it later
<Izaya>
I wonder how well the budget ryzens would suit my needs, I don't need a particularly wide CPU, though one would be nice, what I need is single-core performance for KSP and RimWorld
<SporkWitch>
Izaya: doubt it would qualify as budget, but i can let you know whether i'm CPU bottlenecked once i get the new GPU. I'm HOPING to have enough left after bills on this first paycheck to buy one, so maybe this weekend.
<SporkWitch>
Ryzen 9 3950x
* X
mentions Team Blue to see how many people yell at him
<SporkWitch>
looks like they're only 560 on newegg at the moment
<SporkWitch>
200 less than i paid in 2020
<Izaya>
that's more than I paid for this whole machine >.>
<Izaya>
X: I hear Intel's latest stuff is competitive if you're looking at i3s or cheap i5s
<SporkWitch>
yeah, but the cheaper models have similar single-core performance, i'm pretty sure.
<Izaya>
but I don't actually keep up with this stuff any more
<Althego>
i guess they sell the low and at a loss and then at least they can say we are better there
<Althego>
but it is true amd doesnt cater for the low end
<Izaya>
SporkWitch: yeah that's sorta what I'm thinking, the big expensive ones are very impressive but if I can run one with half as many cores at the same clock speed or higher it'll do better for my usecases
<SporkWitch>
usually "low end" is actually defects. It helps keep costs down and improve yields. A few parts didn't come out right, so they just turn off a logical group aroudn the defective section, sell it as a lower model for less.
<Izaya>
yup
<SporkWitch>
Izaya: yup. can bet i'll be either celebrating or crying if upgrading the GPU significantly improves my frames in KSP. If it does, then we can reasoanbly assume that you'll be fine; if it doesn't, then i'm bottlenecked by single-thread performance
<Izaya>
haha
<Izaya>
I always have the third option of pushing this 6700k as far as it'll go; if I can cool it I bet it'll do 4.6Ghz
<SporkWitch>
i'm REALLY hoping it's just the GTX1060 having trouble with really complex ships and all the graphics mods i have. I average 15-25 with mid-size and smaller ships in orbit, but my station drops me to 6. It has a lot of emissive lights, which is probably part of it.
<SporkWitch>
i could do that too, if it turns out to be CPU performance. I'm water cooled and sit around 60°, even with the bubble that just does NOT want to get out of my loop, but I haven't overclocked, since performance is fine and it'll extend life
<SporkWitch>
only overclocking i've done is the stock overclock on the ASUS ROG Strix GPU, and the default profile for the RAM (forget what it's called, but you know the one if you know how to overclock; default behaviour is lower than the rated settings on RAM, you enable that mode in BIOS to get it to use the rated settings)
<Althego>
hehe almost exactly my config a 6700k with a gtx 1070
<Guest33519>
can someone point me to specific information on the 'difference' between the ModuleManager (sarbian) and the ModuleManager /L (lisias)(a fork of MM(sarbian))?
<Guest33519>
I ask because on the github entry of the older mod I have (zer0Kerbal/FieldTrainingLab) has, on it's github, both MM's listed.
<Guest33519>
Browsing the lisias fork of MM shows a TON of commits ahead, but I can find no reference to MM/L when searching the KSP Forum.
<Guest33519>
Additionally, the forum entry for zer0Kerbal/FieldTrainingLab does not list the MM/L where the github entry does.
<Guest33519>
I 'think' the lisias fork is an attempt to make older mods forward compatible with newer/newest KSP, but need clarification.
<Guest33519>
The 'docs' for the MM/L are just clones of the MM(sarbian); no 'new' info there.
<packbart>
I use "original" ModuleManager
<packbart>
Lisias added some features that sarbian doesn't want in MM, as far as I read it
<packbart>
you'd probably not need it unless TweakScale depends on it, maybe. I don't use TweakScale
<SporkWitch>
i use whatever my mods installed as a dep via ckan lol
<Guest33519>
thank you for the inputs
<SporkWitch>
i strongly recommend using ckan. Occasionally updates can be a little delayed, since the mod dev has to update the manifest file for ckan, but it really saves a lot of trouble with managing mods. Installs all the deps, lets the mod devs suggest recommended mods which you'll be prompted to choose with checkboxes if you want to install them as well, and also list recommended-but-unrelated mods
<SporkWitch>
you might be interested in
<Izaya>
if you have anything with dependencies, using a package manager is saving yourself headaches
<SporkWitch>
if a game doesn't support a proper GUI mod manager these days, i just don't even bother modding anymore; it's not worth the trouble to manually install and set things up for a game.
<Izaya>
unrelated: is there anything like Flight Manager for Reusable Stages, but for when you have 8 different maneuvers to execute in the same 5-minute period?
<SporkWitch>
i have to solve stuff liek that for work, when i'm done, i want to PLAY games, not futz with them
<SporkWitch>
no clue. i couldn't wrap my head around how those mods worked so i just don't use them. I think ksp-recall will automagically save my stages if i put enough chutes on them, but not sure. it's usualy not enough money to bother with. get the realism argument, just felt like more headache than it's worth
<Izaya>
I just end up with a pileup of stuff to do every orbit
<Izaya>
because time is money so I want something launching from the KSC literally all the time
<Izaya>
this results in my alarm clock getting very crowded
<packbart>
MechJeb's Maneuver Executor
<packbart>
using flight computers is much more realistic ;)
<Izaya>
can that run in the background?
<packbart>
hmno, KSP doesn't like that
<Izaya>
because automatically executing the maneuver isn't the problem, the problem is I need to be doing multiple at the same time
<packbart>
BonVoyage is actually the only mod I know that moves vessels in the background
<packbart>
yeah, that is another KSP conundrum. Docking always happens in the dark. Maneuver nodes always happen all at once.
<Althego>
hehehe
<Althego>
yes
<Althego>
alwayts
<Izaya>
which is why I brought up FMRS, it would solve my problem - sort of
<Izaya>
I could switch to 5 minutes ago in a different vessel
<packbart>
use the multiplayer mod and run several instances at the same time ;)
<Izaya>
don't tempt me
<Izaya>
I wonder if anyone's done anything insane like actually just running multiple copies of the simulation in different places
<Althego>
remember there was scifi series called seven days? and the guy always called in to hq with the keyword conundrum
<Guest33519>
i'm coming back after being away a while from KSP... I CKAN and all that, have my fingers in LOTS of MM configs in many mods over the years.
<Guest33519>
The ModuleManager /L caused me to error/soft-lock on seeing them both listed on the github for that mod.
<Guest33519>
Bargain Rocket Parts (the cardboard box capsule and BBQ Grill probes mod) has my fingerprints, as do many others...
<SporkWitch>
Althego: loved that show :)
<Guest33519>
I make no ownership claim, but have submitted code to keep them functional
<SporkWitch>
the guy that played Ramsey is in that new Gina Carano movie "Terror on the Prairie" from DailyWire
<Izaya>
the game really isn't set up to let you build with triangles
<Izaya>
>.
<Izaya>
>
<Mat2ch>
!mission
<LunchBot>
You launch a rescue mission for your rescue mission. Your escapades catch the eye of Hollywood and they make a film, unfortunately it is directed by Uwe Boll.
<Mat2ch>
THAT is really unfortunately.
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<Mat2ch>
At least the explosions will be great.
<darsie>
Spork Witch 2 days ago Let us all be very clear: it is the most phallicly-shaped rocket ever designed, and it suffered a premature ejection lol