<LunchBot>
You experiment with mixed vegetable rocket staging. Clowns attach streamers to your rocket. You somehow fail to notice and you crash into the VAB.
<raptop>
This raises several additional questions
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<Izaya>
heh, had a vessel with state "landed" in flight again
<Althego>
and how do you et out of that?
<Izaya>
quickloaded >.>
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<darsie>
1337
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<NGC3982>
i seem to be literally icapable of leaving duna
<NGC3982>
eve*
<Mat2ch>
Eve is hard.
<Althego>
ah i was wondering what the problem with duna is
<Althego>
yes eve is hard
<Althego>
but not as hard as it used to be
<Mat2ch>
You either have to go on a higher elevation there or bring lots and lots of fuel.
<NGC3982>
i thought i overdid it but it doesnt even leave the ground
<Mat2ch>
With the performance of KSP in Linux (some comments I've seen is that it performs far better with windows) it is hard, because you can't bring a lot of parts...
<Althego>
gpong tp a mountaintop is easier said than done
<Althego>
you can use electrip props for initial ascent too
<Izaya>
I hear the electric - yeah
<Mat2ch>
NGC3982: what does the TWR show for your rocket at ground level?
<Althego>
what does the scouter say about his power level? it's over 9000!
<NGC3982>
my solution was to use a lander and then split it, only flying the upper part to ease myself into orbit where my big ship is waiting
<Althego>
are t hose solids?
<NGC3982>
yes
<Mat2ch>
solid fuel boosters perform very badly on Eve
<NGC3982>
i noticed
<NGC3982>
;_;
<Althego>
there are literally just about a handful engines that work at those altitudes on eve
<Mat2ch>
and you still need lots of them.
<Althego>
i suggest the vector
<Althego>
it is small and powerful and works well at lower altitudes
<NGC3982>
ok
<Mat2ch>
Eve is something for engineers and scientists who like to calculate and/or calculate very much
<Althego>
there are otheres
<Althego>
and btw eve is about as hard as real earth
<Althego>
you can imagine how hard to build an actual orbital rocket
* NGC3982
should do duna instead
<Mat2ch>
but the engines and fuel/weight ratio is nerfed!
<NGC3982>
yeah
<Mat2ch>
I can easily build an orbital rocket in RSS/RO
<Mat2ch>
I even did a Moon mission there. Which is terrifying, because the real Moon is huge.
<Mat2ch>
NGC3982: for eve ascend try playing around with the TWR display in the VAB and have bring enough fuel. It takes around 8000 dV to get into a good orbit
<Mat2ch>
-have
<NGC3982>
i think i need to build my upper craft separately because when its all together i cant really distinguish it
<Mat2ch>
So a multistaged rocket will be the best. 3 stages should do the trick.
<NGC3982>
allright
<Althego>
also the ascent ship doesnt need parachutes and stuff
<Althego>
you can ditch soem more mass
<Mat2ch>
And you can optimize the dV here. Because the higher you get, the smaller (and lighter) engines you need.
<Althego>
you can consider using command seats too
<Mat2ch>
You can get away with tiny engines on your last stage
<Althego>
also need to use every trick in the book. asparagus staging, altitude optimized engines, etc
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<Mat2ch>
asparagus is not always necessary, but helps keeping the whole thing small.
<Mat2ch>
.oO( and I'm giving myself a hard time, because I try to avoid it... )
<Althego>
for the starting engines on low altitude on eve you have to choose among: aerospike (too small for first stage need a lot), mainsail, vector (most versatile), rapier (in closed cycle but too small again), twin boar, mammoth
<Pinkbeast>
If you're in a modded world Hooligan Labs has one realistic-lift inflatable airship envelope which considerably eases the Eve problem.
<Pinkbeast>
I got to Eve orbit with something that started out at sea level as a plane (which could descend from orbit behind an inflatable heatshield) but not very reliably
<Althego>
yes always seemed to be the realistic solution
<Althego>
i mean the balloon
<Pinkbeast>
Unfortunately HL has only one realistic-lift envelope, but yeah, seems the ideal zeroth stage on Eve - from that I could just asparagus up with aerospikes.
<Althego>
would be nice to have a venus sample return
<Pinkbeast>
Turns up in orbit with about 1300-1400 dV to rendezvous with whatever, and doesn't care what altitude you start from on Eve.
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<SporkWitch>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f6d40Ppz3M pretty neat experimental engine. They're trying for a craft that can take off from the ground, reach hypersonic speeds, then land, and be able to launch again.
<Mat2ch>
When they reach hypersonic speed it is time to switch to the other mode and go to orbit! ;)
<SporkWitch>
figured out why the GPU block is expected to take so long to get here. for whatever reason amazon decided to show me things shipping from ITALY.
<Mat2ch>
Tell them to bring pizza.
<SporkWitch>
as i'm getting further in this video, it looks like it's going to be a hybrid ramjet/turbojet engine, so dual mode, plus afterburner
<Mat2ch>
and what is Skylon doing? Oh well, not much, it's an ESA project.
<Althego>
i think i have seen these guys from an other youtuber
<Althego>
or mor mayb ei t was the same
<umaxtu>
Boom does need an engine... /s
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<raptop>
!8ball Does the Kraken have to worry if its diet is overly high in FATty foods (like HDDs, SSDs, etc)?
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<Pinkbeast>
Oh joy 8-minute NERVA burns
<SporkWitch>
alt+period to force physics time warp
<SporkWitch>
(works even without better time warp mod)
<SporkWitch>
good news: i got my temps under control while i wait for the rest of the parts to arrive. Underclocked the CPU to limit each core to 2GHz, dropped the idle temp from 80 to 55
<SporkWitch>
i just hope the loop doesn't get any worse before the water block arrives. everything else to rebuild should be here by the 20th, but for some idiotic reason amazon showed me crap shipping from italy without telling me, so not only did it cost 25 for shipping, the expected delivery is between 2 november and 25 november >_<
<Izaya>
"lmao" ~ bezos, probably
<SporkWitch>
new radiator, CPU block, msot of the fittings, and fans arrived today. rest of the fittings sunday, new pump and reservoir by wednesday, then i'm just waiting on the GPU block >_<
<SporkWitch>
Could start work sooner while I wait for it, but that'd require ordering a bunch of quick disconnects or completely draining the loop to add it; the latter is a nightmare, and the former is stupid expensive (regular fittings are usually like 2-5 dollars each, quick disconnects are more like 10-20 each)
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<SporkWitch>
you've no idea how nerve-wracking this is. the leak is under control, and it doesn't seem to be getting worse, but more and more air is getting into the loop and the thermals started rapidly getting worse. hence blowing this paycheck on just completely redoing everything
<SporkWitch>
still really lucky about WHERE the leak is, since whether vertical (how it's supposed to be) or on its side (how I've been keeping it, since it at least forces MOST of the air bubbles and waterfall flow away from the CPU block, so at least it's still getting the heat out of it), either way it doesn't drip on any actual components. Wrapped a piece of show towel around where it is to prevent it
<SporkWitch>
from following the length of the tubing, though there too, it doesn't pass over any components
<Pinkbeast>
"lmao" - Freeman Dyson, more probably
<SporkWitch>
more will just help with cleanup when i do the rebuild; there's some buildup in the CPU block, and where the leaked fluid dried there's this obvious mineral crust; that's one of the main reasons I decided to just completely replace the existing cooling solution, with the lessons learned from having built it, rather than simply replacing the tubing and fittings
<SporkWitch>
also some fun upgrades with the rebuild. adding the GPU block, obviously (no joke, the fans on this 3080 are louder than the engines in KSP at my normal volume settings, and those same volume settings have it hard to hear youtube over the engines lol), but also the new CPU block has an integrated temperature sensor, added a separate temp sensor (mobo supports two, so why not get readings from
<SporkWitch>
front and back of the loop?), a flow meter (mobo supports 1), and the new pump is PWM-controlled, so I can adjust the pump in software, instead of needing to tilt the case and manage to fit a screwdriver underneath and find the tiny manual control and adjust it by feel alone heh
<SporkWitch>
in theory, the combination should let me take an average from the two temperature readings, as well as look at CPU and GPU temps, and automatically adjust both pump and fan speeds accordingly
<SporkWitch>
the rad's also more than double the usual recommendation for this setup, if we follow jayz2cents rule of 120mm per component, but that assumption also assumes 30mm thick; this one's a 480mm*64mm
<SporkWitch>
throw in enough fans to do push/pull on it, plus some intakes on the other side of the case so it's getting more fresh air than warm case air? should run nice and cool
<Izaya>
boards with built-in support for water cooling must be interesting
<Izaya>
is it like I2C headers or?
<Izaya>
just spicy fan headers?
<SporkWitch>
it's two 2-pin headers for the temp sensors, a 3-pin for the flow sensor, and I think it has a dedicated PWM header for a water pump rather than a fan
<Izaya>
sorta funny that such a fancy board has USB 2
<Izaya>
good to know it's still an option on newer boards though, got a breakout for that
<SporkWitch>
checking the documentation, looks like the default behaviour is to run the fans based on CPU temp, but the pump at full speed, so I'll definitely have to use software to manage it, if i want to run it slower when temps allow
<SporkWitch>
yeah, that's really my only complaint is that there is some mismatch to the front panel headers vs what the board has :(
<SporkWitch>
that said, I have GBE and don't generally need to plug in much that would require USB-3. Most of what I plug in stays plugged in, such has HOTAS, pedals, vive, keyboard, mouse, and headset. About the only thing that goes in and out (*takei voice* oh my!) is my yubikey, and that i'm plugging into the keyboard's pass-through. Only time I really use the front-panel USB is if I need to boot from it
<Izaya>
Also, three headers up the top for CPU cooling, heh
<SporkWitch>
it IS an AM4 board; modern CPUs get toasty lol
<SporkWitch>
i told you about how the sticker holding the box closed on my CPU literally said "cooler not included, liquid cooling recommended"? lol
<Izaya>
sometimes I think about how you could run modern CPUs with no external RAM at all and still run useful software
<Izaya>
72M of cache is enough to run damn small linux
<SporkWitch>
right? lol
<Izaya>
the real wide server processors have like 256M
<Izaya>
you could run just normal debian on those
<SporkWitch>
i still remember deleting a couple MB on storage to make room for a new game, and UPGRADING an old 80486 to 48MB of RAM lol
<SporkWitch>
at one point I had a C64 without any HDD. you booted from one 5 1/4" and once it was up you switched to the one that had the program you needed lol
<Izaya>
your C64 had a FDD? luxury!
<Izaya>
ours just had a tape drive
<SporkWitch>
not a luxury when there's no HDD lol
<SporkWitch>
and even back then, the 5 1/4" was cheaper than any HDD