<Izaya>
It's a long trip, might as well do as much in one go as I can
<Izaya>
Got a station habitation module, an ISRU plant, two landers, and two crew transport craft, one of which will be returning to Kerbin orbit.
<Izaya>
Once the station is delivered, they'll pay me to send up a science lab, and once a base is established, they'll pay me to put a science module there too.
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<FLHerne>
;outcome add For you, failure is not only an option - it's, like, absolutely mandatory.
<LunchBot>
Added outcome: For you, failure is not only an option - it's, like, absolutely mandatory.
<Mat2ch>
And information about Linux in the video?
<Mat2ch>
Don't have time to watch right now :(
<SporkWitch>
i'm still watching, i posted it seconds after the notification hit my phone, vid's onlyl been up a few minutes lol
<FLHerne>
description says "The game will be available on PC only during Early Access"
<FLHerne>
still watching it, nothing about Linux yet
<SporkWitch>
PC doesn't always mean just Windows, that's just something Microsoft pushes for.
<umaxtu>
they might not do a full linux version with proton being a thing now
<SporkWitch>
just noticed, 49.99 for early access price...
<FLHerne>
yeah, but there's no way that isn't what they mean
<SporkWitch>
umaxtu: don't get me started on that shit >_<
<FLHerne>
I hope they know their audience better than that
<packbart>
the Steam page still says "System Requirements Coming Soon". we'll see. it's Unity, so a Linux version should be possible as before
<SporkWitch>
the whole "we don't need to do native, we can just do proton" thing is one of the main worries i had about the project, and that's exactly what we're seeing happen, with games that even have native versions no longer maintaining them, instead switching to doing the bare minimum to make it run in proton
<FLHerne>
eh, in some cases the native versions were pretty bad
<SporkWitch>
and we're never going to get good ones if no one's even bothering anymore
<FLHerne>
especially the ones that relied on winelib or some other platform emulation internally
<umaxtu>
as long as they are actively fixing issues that only occur when running under proton, I don't really mind
<SporkWitch>
colonies and interstellar systems at EA launch
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<FLHerne>
nothing about Linux
<FLHerne>
SporkWitch: hm, I interpreted that as precisely the opposite
<SporkWitch>
she's talking about core systems and making sure they interact with everything, and goes on to describe colonies and interstellar as that. I read it to mean they view those techs as core, since you'll be using them on the mun and outside of the Kerbolar System, so they want that ready from the start to maximize integration and fine-tuning. I can see how it could be read the other way as well, tho
<SporkWitch>
meaning "we need the core working so we can have these use it"
<SporkWitch>
though the fact they were showing in-game footage of those things makes me mean towards my original reading of it
<packbart>
with an edited-in "multiplayer?" after-though ;)
<SporkWitch>
i replayed it myself before typing the above
<SporkWitch>
i just see a colony in-game, and the phrasing is such that colonies could be included with those "core systems". I suspect we'll at least have the basics at launch, but if we don't, oh well.
<umaxtu>
is it worth watching on my phone or should I wait until after work
<packbart>
eh, we'll see. it's still a few months away and $50 isn't exactly shutupandtakemymoney-money
<packbart>
umaxtu: probably not much you haven't seen yet except for some glimpses of pre-alpha UI maybe
<umaxtu>
ok. the price doesn't bother me too much, considering how many hours I put into the original
<packbart>
true
<packbart>
"Much of what's in place on day one for KSP2 is that technology beneath the surface - it's there to support those new features coming down the road like multiplayer, interstellar, colonies."
<packbart>
well, anyway, enough speculation for now :)
<SporkWitch>
the price is only noteworthy because they ARE calling it early access, so anything over 30 is generally seen as greedy. 50+ is a full release price.
<SporkWitch>
(which might be another part of why i'm thinking we'll have at least the core colony mechanics at start)
<packbart>
at least a full set of base parts by Nertea
<SporkWitch>
so nice to have my computer running at normal temps again. rest of the parts finally got here yesterday, and not a moment too soon, because the leak went from very slow and manageable by swapping out a papertowel once a week, to actively and audibly dripping onto the floor of the case. was up until 3am rebuilding the entire cooling system >_<
<SporkWitch>
extra annoying, the new pump's mounts aren't compatible with the case's pump mounts, and i don't have any drill bits. Was forced to install it hidden in the back of the case on one of the fan mounts >_<
<SporkWitch>
especially after adding the water block to the GPU, the case looks REALLY empty now
<Izaya>
the real question is
<Izaya>
will KSP2 fix the memory leaks?
<umaxtu>
that's why it costs so much, they send you extra RAM
<SporkWitch>
hehe
<Izaya>
Okay sweet problem solved, more than worth the price
<umaxtu>
it's still a Unity game right?
<raptop>
yes
<umaxtu>
that's a good sign of a linux version. I think
<Izaya>
v-vulkan? :D
<umaxtu>
it better
* raptop
hands Izaya a rotary cannon instead of a graphics API
<SnoopJ>
early access date 👀
<Mat2ch>
Yeah, having Linux support probably did a good push for KSP, too. Since all the nerds went to get it and then didn't stop talking about it anymore ;)
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<Mat2ch>
and the question about Linux says: "These versions are part of our extended roadmap. We’ll share more information at a later date. "
<Mat2ch>
Which means: Sorry, never.
<umaxtu>
probably. lame
<raptop>
yay, procedural parts to keep number of different ones down
<raptop>
Also it looks like a pro-instrumentation PoV, so a lot of bad aspects of KSP1 won't exist
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<darsie>
I have a PC with Linux.
<SporkWitch>
i'm mildly annoyed that staging moved to the right hand side heh
<darsie>
Can I get a refund if the PC version doesn't run on my PC?
<SporkWitch>
darsie: steam has the 2 hours / 2 weeks refund policy on all games, and it's not a hard limit
<darsie>
k
<darsie>
I still wish they wouldn't call Windows PC.
<darsie>
Well, I guess it won't run on a Windows washing machine.
<SporkWitch>
don't disagree, but you can thank the billions microsoft has spent on propaganda (much of it overtly anti-FOSS and anti-linux) over the decades
<darsie>
Thank you, Bill(ions).
<SporkWitch>
hell, with how popular military / FPS games have been the last 20 years, they still constantly say "clip" when they mean magazine. They can't even get that much right.
<darsie>
I thought you can clip them on your belt.
<SporkWitch>
a clip is used to keep cartridges together to easily load a magazine; a magazine actually stores cartridges for use. Weapons can either have internal or detachable magazines, though some extremely unconstitutional laws in some criminal states, like NY and CA, require modification so that you can't actually remove the detachable magazine wihtout use of a tool
<SporkWitch>
so your stereotypical pump shotgun, for example, has an internal tubular magazine, that you load rounds into one by one, and they're fed into the firing chamber when you pump the action. The AR-15 platform features a detachable external magazine, which is what most people are used to, and mistakenly refer to as a "clip"
<Mat2ch>
The M1 Garand has a clip...
<SporkWitch>
the garand has an internal magazine, which is loaded with a clip
<SporkWitch>
it just happens that the design of that clip stays inside until you've fired all your rounds, and then gives you that iconic "ping" when it's ejected automatically
<Mat2ch>
Time to watch that video finally
<SporkWitch>
the clip isn't actually required, either. When I was doing honor guard, we manually loaded the rounds in; you don't want that ping going off and disrupting the ceremony
<darsie>
Is coffee a recreational drug?
<SporkWitch>
technically speaking, yes
<darsie>
2.2 Forbidden content Content unsuitable for children or younger audiences, e.g. nudity, sexually suggestive or explicit images, excessive violence, gore and recreational drugs;
<darsie>
I wonder what's in Gene's cup.
<darsie>
Peppermint tea, I geuss.
<darsie>
Content with no proof of concept or factual basis (e.g. "free energy" machines), conspiratorial and lacking evidence (e.g. flat Earth, Moon hoax), denial of historic events (e.g. Holocaust);
<darsie>
Does that inclued Kraken drives?
<packbart>
it's an administrative cup. it needs no content
<darsie>
Or what are the double port drives called?
<packbart>
Kraken drives have a factual basis in the game world
<darsie>
ok
<SporkWitch>
you mean the docking port drives? those are a category of kraken drive, yes
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<Mat2ch>
Some of that pre-alpha footage has very low fps...
<Mat2ch>
I fear for the worst
<SporkWitch>
without knowing specs, no reason to speculate. i've known some devs to go all out on crazy rigs, while others go cheap to keep costs down and focus on dev
<SporkWitch>
as long as they no longer do the one-thread-per-vessel thing anymore, i'm not too worried, but my rig is ridiculously overbuilt heh
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<Mat2ch>
But they have one of my favorite built in there: A huge pusher stage with space planes docked to it :D
<SporkWitch>
so apparently they posted a preliminary roadmap on the steam store page, and it does look like science, tech trees will be first post-launch addition, followed by colonies, then interstellar
<darsie>
Can you please say Windows when you mean Windows? I have a PC running Linux and saying "The game will be available on PC only during Early Access," is confusing when you later say "Will Mac or Linux versions come out in Early Access? These versions are part of our extended roadmap. We’ll share more information at a later date." If you need to distinguish PC/Windows from washing machine/Windows for legal reasons, by all means,
<darsie>
say PC/Windows.
<darsie>
<darsie>
Heartbroken, darsie
<packbart>
you don't say GNU/Linux, either ;)
<darsie>
mhm
<SporkWitch>
off the top of my head I can't think of any non-GNU linuxes. It's also a matter of principle because of how culty Stallman is about it
<FLHerne>
Android is the obvious one
<darsie>
I also don't say GNU GNU GNU is not Unix.
<SporkWitch>
i suppose i should specify "workstation linuxes"; sure, plenty of purpose-built stuff around
<FLHerne>
also ChromeOS, embedded devices based on busybox or some other tiny C
<darsie>
hmm
<packbart>
it's also not specific to "PC" aka x86(_64)
<SporkWitch>
worth pointing out as well, that while those are linuxes, no one calls them linux, they call them Android and ChromeOS. Much like we call MacOS MacOS, even though it is a Unix
<darsie>
Or is it more like GNU is not Unix is not Unix is not Unix is not Unix?
<FLHerne>
there are some efforts to build a non-glibc based general-purpose userland
<FLHerne>
see Alpine etc
<SporkWitch>
it's almost like terms are used to convey information, and we leave off the redundancies and irrelevancies :P
<darsie>
What platforms is KSP available on?
<darsie>
consoles?
<SnoopJ>
nothing like game news to bring on an argument about platforms
<packbart>
yeah, but it's quite different from the PC version
<raptop>
KSP 1: windows, linux, osx, scuffed edition on some versions of playstations and xboxen
<raptop>
Also, uh, you can totally install the linux versions of making history/breaking ground on windows and they work fine. The difference is AFAIK entirely in the distribution (zip plus sh vs a self-extracting exe)
<packbart>
graphics shaders can be OS-specific, as I recall
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<ksp_lover>
Hey I have a question about a discrepancy will ksp 2 console be out after the early access on the roadmap or will ksp 2 console be out after multiplayer
<ksp_lover>
update
<raptop>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<raptop>
Or more seriously, we don't know
<ksp_lover>
I really hope we don't have to wait for the finished product like multiplayer for it to be on conosle
<ksp_lover>
console*
<ksp_lover>
would rather have the early access with a update yearly than wait years for it to come out on console
<raptop>
Anyway, let's see what the performance is like
<ksp_lover>
true hopefully it doesn't melt cpu's
* raptop
will be happy if it runs on my at that point 7 (...!?) year old laptop
<raptop>
more realistically, I'm going to have to break down and put together a proper wintendo desktop at some point
<ksp_lover>
yeah honestly hard to tell looks beautiful but also the textures don't seem to intense
<raptop>
There's a hilarious possibility that my CPU/RAM aren't a bottleneck, but my GPU is
<ksp_lover>
exactly
<ksp_lover>
I am happy just to have a date
<ksp_lover>
not in limbo anymore
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<SporkWitch>
(note that from what matt mentioned in hte earlier video, some of this footage is from months or even a year or more ago, so what we get next spring may be much improved over it)
<Izaya>
SporkWitch: Alpine and postmarketOS are non-GNU Linux distributions, and they're relatively popular in their niche
<Izaya>
I imagine one could do a musl gentoo as well, if they like pain.
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