00:53 <FLHerne> ;outcome add KAIB announced that it was writing a safety digest into this incident. Having assessed further evidence which has come to light since this decision was taken, KAIB has now decided to carry out an investigation.

00:53 <LunchBot> Added outcome: KAIB announced that it was writing a safety digest into this incident. Having assessed further evidence which has come to light since this decision was taken, KAIB has now decided to carry out an investigation.

00:55 <FLHerne> IRL, the incident was someone (a) wiring the red and green aspects of a rail signal backwards and (b) completely skipping the entire test procedure

00:56 <FLHerne> and the "further evidence" was the same contractor doing the exact same thing again a couple of weeks _after_ the first incident came to light

00:56 <raptop> huh

00:56 <raptop> Did this cause a collision?

00:56 <raptop> er, wait. It almost certainly did

00:57 <FLHerne> not quite (by three carriage lengths at 110mph line speed)

00:57 <FLHerne> thanks to both drivers involved and the signaller being on the ball

00:58 <FLHerne> I have no idea why RAIB didn't do a full investigation to begin with, it was damn close to being a repeat of Clapham

01:01 <XXCoder> ;mission

01:01 <LunchBot> You go under a dock and find what appears to be a rock...but it isn't a rock. You give up and sell meta-meat pies at the KSC.

01:01 <XXCoder> meta-meat pies from rock that arent rock

01:01 <XXCoder> yummy pies, just $4 each!!

01:02 <FLHerne> XXCoder: the 'rock' was actually compacted meta-meat

01:02 <XXCoder> indeed

01:03 <umaxtu> I'd forgotten how squirrely planes can get when moving at high speeds on the ground

01:09 <FLHerne> it's kind of unforgettable :p

01:10 <FLHerne> you can sometimes improve it by fiddling with which wheels are steered and the braking strength

01:15 <SporkWitch> also always make sure that the wheels are perfectly straight and level; rotating them forward or back, or having them anything but perfectly vertical, does REALLY weird things

01:16 <SporkWitch> and obviously wider is more stable as well

01:25 <FLHerne> Relative to the ground or to the plane X axis?

01:25 <FLHerne> most planes sit with a bit of a nose-up tilt

01:31 <SporkWitch> it's fine if you have the wheels uneven so front is longer or shorter, as long as it's perfectly straight and vertical

01:34 <FLHerne> I mean, for example if you have the fairly common setup with three identical wheels, one on each wing and one under the nose

01:35 <FLHerne> the nose one is lower on the craft, so the craft sits nose-up

01:35 <FLHerne> is it better to have the gear vertical in the SPH, or vertical when resting on the ground?

01:35 <FLHerne> depends how the physics model doesn't work :p

02:51 <X> How many more years before ksp2?

02:51 <raptop> Assuming that they meet the deadline they've set, like 0.2

10:23 <Mat2ch> Happy new year everyone!

14:14 <FLHerne> X: there's a hard date now, so probably not long

14:16 <X> I want to pre order it already. I have too much money.

14:17 <Althego> hehe

14:17 <X> It’s more useful than using it to light candles. Money doesn’t burn very cleanly.

14:17 <Althego> especialy the plastic based ones

18:34 <SporkWitch> FLHerne: the vehicle, in my experience. So in your scenario that would mean that when it's on the ground the gear tilts, but that's fine. The more important part is that it's perfectly straight, and not angled to the side like / or \. IRL that could hae stabilizing effects, but in KSP it makes it behave weird.

18:40 <SporkWitch> SO CLOSE https://days.to/until/24-february

18:44 <Althego> now that sls has flown, can starship go to orbit before ksp2 is released?

18:45 <SporkWitch> i still think NASA should name a moon Kerbin to run with the XKCD joke about delaying KSP2 to keep people at NASA working lol

18:45 <Althego> maybe an asteroid

18:46 <SporkWitch> nope, a moon was promised, gotta be a moon.

18:46 <SporkWitch> we've got several potential exomoons already, just haven't fully confirmed yet, so it's totally doable

18:47 <Althego> then make it a normal planet

21:58 <XXCoder> ;mission

21:58 <LunchBot> You install DangIt! You increase the orbital debris count tenfold.

21:58 <XXCoder> sounds like im playing badly

22:35 <raptop> . o O (bathing in a bathtub of failure)